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'Book of Mormon' wins big at the Tony Awards
Yahoo - AP ^ | 06/12/11 | MARK KENNEDY

Posted on 06/12/2011 9:21:49 PM PDT by Borges

The profane and hysterical "The Book of Mormon" took home nine Tony Awards on Sunday including the prize for best musical, a considerable achievement for a pair of first-time Broadway playwrights known more for their raunchy cartoons featuring potty-mouthed kids.

Trey Parker and Matt Stone, creators of the Emmy Award-winning "South Park," found a kindred soul in Robert Lopez, who co-wrote the Tony-winning "Avenue Q," and all three found themselves with plenty of awards when they collaborated to gently mock Mormons and send-up Broadway itself.

Collecting the best musical prize, a subdued Parker, who tied Josh Logan of "South Pacific" with four Tonys in one evening — said he'd be remiss if he didn't thank his late book co-writer — Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon religion.

"You did it, Joseph! You got the Tony!" Parker said looking skyward and holding up his award.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
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To: netmilsmom

Do you ever watch South Park?


51 posted on 06/13/2011 6:41:31 AM PDT by Borges
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To: ansel12
You can promote Islam and Mormonism as much as you want, but I won't be joining you.

Given that I'm an atheist, that's rather funny...

52 posted on 06/13/2011 6:49:40 AM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: Borges

>>Do you ever watch South Park?<<

Yep, sure have. I even laugh at it. But if you think that the Broadway people gave this an award because of the edgy “equal opportunity” slammers that the creators are, you are living in la-la land.

Had Trey Parker and Matt Stone tried to produce their Mohammed show on Broadway, would it have gotten off the ground, let alone won a Tony?

Most people have no clue about Mormon views on the Trinity or their history. They see Mormons as another Christian denomination. Especially the people who hate the Mormons for Prop 8 in CA.


53 posted on 06/13/2011 6:50:03 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom

Oh the view of Mormonism from outside Christian circles is not based on theological differences but philosophical and cultural ones for sure. But this show is supposed to be pretty funny. PArker and Stone are among the few who don’t have any sacred cows at all. They’ve made fun of scientology as well.


54 posted on 06/13/2011 6:56:58 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

You can’t see the forest for the trees.

The Mohamed show was hilarious and ripe for a Broadway show. Is it there?

The Scientology show was too. Is it there?

Your liberal views taint your viewpoint.


55 posted on 06/13/2011 7:10:24 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom
Most people have no clue about Mormon views on the Trinity or their history.

While this is almost certainly true, wouldn't most people's reaction to being informed about the Mormon view of the Trinity be indifference?

56 posted on 06/13/2011 7:19:13 AM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: Abin Sur

>>While this is almost certainly true, wouldn’t most people’s reaction to being informed about the Mormon view of the Trinity be indifference? <<

If they are not “Slash and Burn” evangelists.


57 posted on 06/13/2011 7:23:15 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom
If they are not “Slash and Burn” evangelists.

Perhaps I just haven't fully woken up yet, but I don't understand this phrase in context.

58 posted on 06/13/2011 7:27:06 AM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: Borges; Elsie; colorcountry; greyfoxx39

Last night on local Utah news, they announced proudly that the piece had won all these awards. I guess any news is good news for Mormonism. For me it would be an embarrassment to be linked to such profanity.

I wouldn’t walk across the street to see this piece, let alone fly to NYC and pay the outlandish prices for the tickets.

I can laugh at Mormons every day should I choose to do so. Some of my neighbors are good and normal people; a few are sanctimonious idiots that I avoid.

I think it is a bit humorous to see Joseph Smith get presented as a sort of big joke. That is good.


59 posted on 06/13/2011 7:42:16 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Inman FReepers Meet July 23 in Southern Utah JR Too!)
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To: netmilsmom

LOL! Liberal views? That’s a good one. Anyway I would imagine they would have trouble getting financing the shows you mentioned for reasons we both know.


60 posted on 06/13/2011 8:10:39 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Abin Sur

Nothing funny about it at all since you posted to me defending Mormonism, and from the wording of it, I assume Islam, Scientology, and any other religion that you think “want to help reduce the power of the State”.


61 posted on 06/13/2011 9:18:49 AM PDT by ansel12 (Bachmann/Rollins/Romney=destruction for Bachmann, but it sure helps Romney. WHY?)
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To: ansel12

No, Mormons are not Christians. That is true. I will say, however, that I still have a lot of respect for many of the Mormons, in that they walk the walk, rather than just talking the talk. If more Christians did the same (and don’t make the assumption that I am saying you don’t. I don’t even know you), I think Christianity would have a much easier time. I really think overall, Mormons have a greater tendency to live up to their beliefs than Christians do. That is unfortunate.


62 posted on 06/13/2011 9:22:11 AM PDT by tarawa
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To: Abin Sur

Since most people are Christians, the Mormon fear is that they find out that Mormonism is anti-Christian, not a Christian denomination. Only someone ignorant of the American people would think they would be indifferent to discovering the truth about Mormonism.

You sure don’t appear indifferent to Mormonism, but the more known about Mormonism the worse it is for Romney, a favorite of those who are atheist, or indifferent to social conservatism, or liberal in other ways.


63 posted on 06/13/2011 9:28:26 AM PDT by ansel12 (Bachmann/Rollins/Romney=destruction for Bachmann, but it sure helps Romney. WHY?)
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To: tarawa

I have never seen any cult that did not have a very strong grip on it’s membership, Krishnas are truly inspirational by that measure, and I don’t think that they are following a path that will make them a god like Mormons do.


64 posted on 06/13/2011 9:31:33 AM PDT by ansel12 (Bachmann/Rollins/Romney=destruction for Bachmann, but it sure helps Romney. WHY?)
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To: Borges

“Parker and Stone HAVE made fun of Islam on South Park.”

A fair observation but I doubt they’d take it all the way to Broadway musical status.

Perhaps they will surprise me.


65 posted on 06/13/2011 10:33:24 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

Even if they wanted to they would never get funding for it. Producers would be afraid that threats of violence would keep patrons out of the theater in sufficient number.


66 posted on 06/13/2011 12:10:33 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges
The profane and hysterical "The Book of Mormon"...

What could I POSSIBLY add to this?

67 posted on 06/13/2011 12:54:22 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Washi
I'm looking for that "Geez, not this sh*t again" picture...

Then THIS will have to suffice until you find it:

There are 49,998 more of us somewhere...

68 posted on 06/13/2011 12:57:50 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ari-freedom
But they do have common values with other Judeo-Christian religions and that’s what I’m focusing on.

Hint:

It's the DIFFERENCEs that make MORMONism non-Christian.

69 posted on 06/13/2011 12:59:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ari-freedom
Little things like these...


 

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
 
 
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
 


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
 Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224

70 posted on 06/13/2011 1:00:22 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ari-freedom
I once got a lot of heat from a freeper because I criticized the moonie connections of the Washington Times...

I once got called ugly by a toad.

71 posted on 06/13/2011 1:01:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Washi
Mormonism also has it's vitriolic, single-minded detractors here.

I just HATE when stuff like that is exposed!!


Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (, p.270).
 
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (, p. 119).
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" ( 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" ( 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" ( 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" ( 10:230).
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (, p. 255).
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (, 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (, 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (, p.182).
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (, vol. 3, p.282).
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (, p.316).
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (, vol. 2, p.196).
 

72 posted on 06/13/2011 1:03:50 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: I still care
To give an award to a musical making fun of a religious group is nasty.

From the Desk of TM:

Attention FreeRepublic Anti-ANTI Team:


An error occured in the last memo, as it was supposed to read:

...call them nasties...

not...

...call them NAZIs...

Hopefully no problems occured this weekend because of a Headquarter's foul up.

Keep up the good work on FR. We've been getting HUNDREDS of hitS on our websites by those evidently seeking the truth.


Watch next month's ENSIGN for the new membership figures; due, no doubt, to the tireless work by you faithful typists!

Sincerely (continue using THAT word),

Thomas Monson,
Business Executive


73 posted on 06/13/2011 1:09:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
What could I POSSIBLY add to this?

But "Hey!", I thought, "Why NOT post a bunch of stuff directly from the MORMONs themselves???"

74 posted on 06/13/2011 1:11:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Borges

“Even if they wanted to they would never get funding for it. Producers would be afraid that threats of violence would keep patrons out of the theater in sufficient number.”

Of course, no one would want to work on it, no one would want to buy a ticket. . .

so they mock a group that doesn’t have a reputation for violence.


75 posted on 06/13/2011 4:30:28 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: netmilsmom
You can’t see the forest for the trees. The Mohamed show was hilarious and ripe for a Broadway show. Is it there? The Scientology show was too. Is it there? Your liberal views taint your viewpoint.

And the fact that you know nothing at all about the musical and what it's about taints yours.

Not one comment on this thread has any understanding of what the play's point is. At all.

It's actually deeper than mere mocking, but don't let that stop you all from shallowly bashing both Mormons, and the play. You're shooting at each other, and missing them, completely.

I think it's terrific. I wish it wasn't all the way across the country, I'd have seen it. As such, I have to settle for the fabulous soundtrack. A little vulgar, as Matt and Trey can be, but terrific nonetheless. They are very very talented and this; songwriting, music, and musicals, is their best work yet.

You can too: RollingStone Book of Mormon on Broadway Soundtrack

But that's just my two cents. :~) As for your challenge... Seeing as how they're the writers and comedians that have all the fans and win all the awards, I think I'll let them decide when and what to write that's funny. They're better at it.

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com - 'The Book of Mormon' wins big at Tonys. It's sold out till Christmas. We checked.

76 posted on 06/13/2011 7:08:45 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Persevero
so they mock a group that doesn’t have a reputation for violence.

And the after performance party was held at the Fancher place.

77 posted on 06/13/2011 7:29:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ansel12
Nothing funny about it at all since you posted to me defending Mormonism,

I said that Mormonism's views on the Trinity didn't matter in the slightest. How is that "defending" Mormonism?

and from the wording of it, I assume Islam, Scientology, and any other religion that you think “want to help reduce the power of the State”.

Being that Islam's stated goal is my forced conversion, that takes them off the "allies" list, wouldn't you agree?

Just for the record, I think that the doctrines of Mormonism, Scientology, Hinduism, and Christianity are all full of mythological absurdities...but I welcome as a friend and ally any of their adherents who work to promote freedom and shrink the State.

Using your logic, does that mean I just defended Christianity? After all, I'm treating it exactly the same as Mormonism...

78 posted on 06/13/2011 8:50:45 PM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: Abin Sur
You showed up on this thread to take a side, you sided with Mormonism against it's critics, that is why you are posting, to defend Mormonism.
79 posted on 06/13/2011 8:55:48 PM PDT by ansel12 (Bachmann/Rollins/Romney=destruction for Bachmann, but it sure helps Romney. WHY?)
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To: ansel12
Since most people are Christians, the Mormon fear is that they find out that Mormonism is anti-Christian, not a Christian denomination. Only someone ignorant of the American people would think they would be indifferent to discovering the truth about Mormonism.

I think you vastly overestimate the percentage of people in the United States who are care deeply about such things.

You sure don’t appear indifferent to Mormonism,

Allow me to clarify. I think the doctrines of Mormonism are a bunch of hooey. But then, I feel the same about all religions.

but the more known about Mormonism the worse it is for Romney, a favorite of those who are atheist,

And yet I'm an atheist who isn't a fan of Romney. Imagine that.

or indifferent to social conservatism, or liberal in other ways.

I freely admit to being a "small-L" Libertarian. I would happily legalize drug use and prostitution, for instance (a position taken by many on this board, I would note). In the meantime, I am a fan of Sarah Palin, despite the fact that our religious viewpoints don't have a thing in common.

Unless a politician's religion calls for Jihad (or something like it), his or her faith (or lack thereof) simply isn't an issue worth considering. Let's stick to the issues, m'kay?

80 posted on 06/13/2011 9:03:06 PM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: ansel12
You showed up on this thread to take a side, you sided with Mormonism against it's critics, that is why you are posting, to defend Mormonism.

I'm not a social conservative, but I think that Christians who are such are important allies in the struggle against the left wing expansion of government.

Did I just defend Christianity?

81 posted on 06/13/2011 9:07:57 PM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: Abin Sur

You better defend Christianity since they are the conservatives, the atheists are almost all liberals.


82 posted on 06/13/2011 9:13:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (Bachmann/Rollins/Romney=destruction for Bachmann, but it sure helps Romney. WHY?)
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To: ansel12
You better defend Christianity since they are the conservatives,

Yup...just as Mormons are. Actually, Mormons are more conservative than Christians!

the atheists are almost all liberals.

40%, as per the above poll. Actually, the group with the highest percentage of liberals appears to be Jews.

83 posted on 06/13/2011 9:29:01 PM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: Abin Sur
About 70% plus of atheists vote Democrat, about 80% plus of Evangelicals vote Republican, I don't think we have numbers on Mormon voting since they are so tiny, but it has nothing to do with why it is important for people to continue to confront the cult.

You are very dedicated to Mormonism though, I have noticed that about atheists, they do like to defend the anti-Christian cult.

84 posted on 06/13/2011 9:54:11 PM PDT by ansel12 (Bachmann/Rollins/Romney=destruction for Bachmann, but it sure helps Romney. WHY?)
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To: ansel12
About 70% plus of atheists vote Democrat, about 80% plus of Evangelicals vote Republican,

Close. 74% of Evangelicals voted for McCain in 2008, as per http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpolitics/2008/11/the_evangelical.html

In any case, we were speaking of Christians in general, not Evangelicals. 54% of Catholics voted for Obama in 2008, so there's obviously a lot of liberal Christians.

I don't think we have numbers on Mormon voting since they are so tiny,

64% of Utah's vote went to McCain in 2008, and Mormons only make up 58% of Utah's population, so it's safe to say the percentage of Mormons who voted Republican in 2008 was probably in excess of 75%.

You are very dedicated to Mormonism though, I have noticed that about atheists, they do like to defend the anti-Christian cult.

In this very thread I've stated that I think that Mormon theology is a bunch of hooey and full of mythological absurdities. Please explain how this demonstrates a dedication to Mormonism.

85 posted on 06/13/2011 10:25:42 PM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: Abin Sur

You got on here to defend Mormonism, which is common for the handful of atheists that are members on this conservative site.

As far as religion and voting, the more religious vote conservative the less religious vote from less conservative to liberal, regular church attendance seems to be the measure of that, of course the vast majority of atheists always vote Democrat.

White Evangelicals are the most conservative voters.

As far as Mormons, how they vote, or how their cult leadership wants them to vote, does not have anything with the duty that Christians have to confront the anti-Christian cult, that anti-Christianity is the primary thing that endears the Mormon religion to bitter atheists and is why the atheists are to be expected on Mormon threads, even in the religion section.


86 posted on 06/13/2011 10:41:25 PM PDT by ansel12 (Bachmann/Rollins/Romney=destruction for Bachmann, but it sure helps Romney. WHY?)
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To: ansel12
...anti-Christianity is the primary thing that endears the Mormon religion to bitter atheists

You neglected to answer my question, which is entirely relevant to your above statement; perhaps you simply overlooked it. Please allow the courtesy of repeating it for you:

In this very thread I've stated that I think that Mormon theology is a bunch of hooey and full of mythological absurdities. Please explain how this demonstrates a dedication to Mormonism.

87 posted on 06/13/2011 11:02:52 PM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: Abin Sur

You came on this thread to defend Mormonism, that is why you posted at me in post 44 quoting me about what Christianity says about Mormonism, you decided to defend Mormonism against that Christian view.


88 posted on 06/13/2011 11:10:25 PM PDT by ansel12 (Bachmann/Rollins/Romney=destruction for Bachmann, but it sure helps Romney. WHY?)
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To: ansel12
You came on this thread to defend Mormonism, that is why you posted at me in post 44 quoting me about what Christianity says about Mormonism, you decided to defend Mormonism against that Christian view.

In post 44 I said (regarding Christianity vs. Mormonism) "I agree...it's different. So what?" and "Whether or not they believe (just for example) in the Trinity doesn't matter in the slightest, any more than it matters that Christians do believe in it."

I simply observed that the religions are different, and offered the opinion that this difference is irrelevant. How is that a defense of one the religions in question?

Also, I will now ask my question which you haven't answered for the third time.

In this very thread I've stated that I think that Mormon theology is a bunch of hooey and full of mythological absurdities. Please explain how this demonstrates a dedication to Mormonism.

It's looking increasingly likely that you're simply unwilling to answer this question, since a fair answer would undermine your position. Hint: this doesn't help your credibility.

On that note, I'm hitting the sack. I need to get some sleep, and the fact that you prefer your flavor of supernatural Boss to someone else's isn't exactly a burning issue. As I've already stated, it's not as if it matters.

89 posted on 06/13/2011 11:32:46 PM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: Abin Sur

You clearly wanted to fight the Christians and defend Mormonism, you have never let up and you are still here passionately doing it.

Like I pointed out, what brings atheists to a thread involving Mormonism is the chance to attack Christianity and while doing it they are of course defending Mormonism against the Christians.

I know that when you lose interest in defending Mormonism against the Christians that you will move on.


90 posted on 06/13/2011 11:39:45 PM PDT by ansel12 (Bachmann/Rollins/Romney=destruction for Bachmann, but it sure helps Romney. WHY?)
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To: HairOfTheDog

>>And the fact that you know nothing at all about the musical and what it’s about taints yours. <<

You presume a lot. There is this thing call the “internet”. It lets you read all about things that you haven’t seen. It’s like the library only it’s right in your home on a little box called a “computer”. When you understand that, we can go into a site called “Wikipedia”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Mormon_%28musical%29

Sorry, I don’t like when conservatives become targets and YOU may like crass entertainment at the expense of religion, I don’t.


91 posted on 06/14/2011 3:47:47 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Borges
I'm not sure how many people here have actually seen the play, but I have so I thought I would chime in. This was a show i did not really want to see. Then my family got tickets and under the circumstances I would have been the world's worst daughter if I didn't go.

I was very pleasantly surprised and entertained. I thought that the worst it did for the Mormans was portray them as naive. I do think that the intention was to insinuate this about organized religion as a whole, but it didn't feel offensive to me. In my opinion, as a whole, the show showed the importance of faith. I didn't feel like they were saying religion was bad, but that sometimes you have to look deeper for meaning then the literal written word.

In actuality, during intermission and after the show, I heard people murmuring about how safe Parker and Stone had played it because they felt it wasn't as offensive as the TV show. Of course those people did want it to be that offensive, but it is NYC.

I can definitely understand disliking the idea of bashing any religion in a show because where do you draw the line before one group is actually persecuted, but I didn't get that vibe from the show.

92 posted on 06/14/2011 4:36:26 AM PDT by GenerationY
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To: ansel12
Attempt #4 to get you to actually answer a question:

In this very thread I've stated that I think that Mormon theology is a bunch of hooey and full of mythological absurdities. Please explain how this demonstrates a dedication to Mormonism.

93 posted on 06/14/2011 7:04:22 AM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: netmilsmom; GenerationY
Sorry, I don’t like when conservatives become targets and YOU may like crass entertainment at the expense of religion, I don’t.

Oooooh - I thought your complaint was that they hadn't targeted the *right* religion.

People are funny. Sometimes especially those who aren't trying to be.

Just the way it is :~)

GenerationY, thanks for your insight. From becoming hooked on the soundtrack and even watching interviews with the writers and others, that's my take as well. Really looking forward to a tour of it so we can go.

94 posted on 06/14/2011 7:32:29 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

>>Oooooh - I thought your complaint was that they hadn’t targeted the *right* religion. <<

No, I’m one of the people that don’t want ANY conservative group to be slammed. After the Mormons worked so hard in CA with Prop 8, it just bugs me that they are still considered fair game with some conservatives.


95 posted on 06/14/2011 7:46:27 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: GenerationY; netmilsmom

Thanks for the review. Very interesting.


96 posted on 06/14/2011 8:09:44 AM PDT by Borges
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To: netmilsmom

Amway was a conservative company but it ruined a lot of lives doing it.


97 posted on 06/14/2011 8:12:59 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: GenerationY
I BELIEVE!...

that (God's plan) involves me getting my own planet!
that in 1978 God changed his mind about black people!
that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri!

Funny! In a lot of ways.

98 posted on 06/14/2011 8:27:15 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: Abin Sur

Just add up all your posts on this thread as you keep defending Mormonism since you first launched at me in post 44.

You jumped on this thread to defend Mormonism and you can’t stop.


99 posted on 06/14/2011 8:29:18 AM PDT by ansel12 (Bachmann/Rollins/Romney=destruction for Bachmann, but it sure helps Romney. WHY?)
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To: netmilsmom

The Mormon religion is considered fair game with Christians, I have been dealing with cults since the 60s, I will never, not for money or political gain, join the side of a cult against humanity.


100 posted on 06/14/2011 8:31:50 AM PDT by ansel12 (Bachmann/Rollins/Romney=destruction for Bachmann, but it sure helps Romney. WHY?)
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