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1 posted on 06/15/2011 3:21:37 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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Just on these facts, it looks like a bad case and a bad precedent. Smells of lackadaisical public defenders too.


2 posted on 06/15/2011 3:26:29 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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This parent, who left noticeable red marks, probably went well beyond what most parents regard as “spanking,” namely a few open-palmed swats to a doubly-clothed tuchus.

Not saying she belongs in jail, but I am saying this is not TYPICAL spanking at issue here, as the lede implies.


3 posted on 06/15/2011 3:27:56 PM PDT by pogo101
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Just remember your children don’t belong to you. They belong to the state and the state graciously allows them to be near you. You are responsible for all of their action and you can be put in jail for your children’s actions.

But by God you aren’t allowed to discipline them with spanking in their formative years. We can’t allow well behaved children to disrupt our destruction of the family.


4 posted on 06/15/2011 3:28:53 PM PDT by The Working Man
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Child’s grandma reported it. If mother ever gets the child back will grandma ever see her again. If it were my child she wouldn’t.


5 posted on 06/15/2011 3:32:32 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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“Spare the rod and spoil the child.”


6 posted on 06/15/2011 3:33:37 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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...nearly two years old at the time.

Hitting a kid who's not even TWO??? That's barbaric. As much as I despise the child welfare state, this woman did a horrible thing and is probably on her way to worse.

10 posted on 06/15/2011 3:37:04 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Laws named after kids are tyrannical.)
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Leaving marks on a child not even two....that’s not spanking in my book. Sounds like a domestic dispute between mom and grandma, and mom sounds like she needs to get a grip.


14 posted on 06/15/2011 3:40:00 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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I tanned my son’s hide just this last weekend for talking back to me in a smart*ss way.


17 posted on 06/15/2011 3:45:19 PM PDT by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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The law in Texas allows spanking but not beating.

I had a deputy sheriff in my house tell a child that her parents could spank her if needed and that he would serve as a witness if she so desired.


18 posted on 06/15/2011 3:47:16 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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does not have custody of the two-year-old victim

Oh for cryin' out loud!

20 posted on 06/15/2011 3:50:08 PM PDT by tbpiper (Sarah Palin is the antivenin for the Obama poison)
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If this mother was spanking for discipline rather than beating in anger, THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!


23 posted on 06/15/2011 4:10:14 PM PDT by Paperdoll (NO MORE BUSHS!)
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so the “paternal” grandmother got custody and was the one who turned her in.....very interesting....very fishy...


34 posted on 06/15/2011 4:54:06 PM PDT by cherry
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“Leaving marks” implies that the child was beaten; I find that extremely hard to believe if the prosecutor is letting her off on probation and letting her have visitation rights! I have dealt with the Texas CPS (as a witness and with family members) and they are as about fanatical as you can get when it comes to the “It’s for the chill’ren!” motto! So, I call BS on this whole thing!

But, more importantly, when a child is old enough to get into things then they are old enough to begin receiving some form of corporal punishment. I have a 15 month old grandson who gets his hand slapped more than once - DAILY!

For all of the self-righteous fools who think you should not give corporal punishment to a child, I pray that you are blessed with one of the VERY few well-mannered, naturally docile kids. But more than likely, the time will come when something more than a “stern lecture” is needed!!


36 posted on 06/15/2011 5:30:22 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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Easier to go after a mother than a hard core criminal with a gun. No imminent danger involved in prosecuting a mom.

Besides, gotta keep those conviction stats up in order to get re-elected.

37 posted on 06/15/2011 5:35:08 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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The mother in law must have some good connections.


41 posted on 06/15/2011 5:58:17 PM PDT by PAR35
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There is a very distinct difference between corporal punishment and assault.

Anything done in a rage is assault.

Anything that leaves marks is assault.

Especially to a two-year old.

44 posted on 06/15/2011 6:38:39 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Sarah Palin really was unelectable, state-run media would be begging the GOP to nominate her.)
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"You don't spank children today," said Longoria, "in the old days, maybe we got spanked, but there was a different quarrel. You don't spank children. You understand?"

America has lost it's mind.

There's really no hope for it's return, either.

56 posted on 06/15/2011 7:41:30 PM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them. -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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"You don't spank children today," said Longoria, "in the old days, maybe we got spanked, but there was a different quarrel. You don't spank children. You understand?"

I don't know what really happened in this case (thanks to incompetent journalism) but that statement from the judge is a broad brush of the law and he's full of it. What the heck was the "different quarrel" in "the old days?" Do kids not misbehave today? Do they not respond to discipline? I think a stroll through Youtube should be enough to answer that question.

Maybe hizzoner will stop at a Mickey D's and get his ass beat by some kids and find a clue in the process.

59 posted on 06/15/2011 7:54:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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I myself think a mild spanking now and again (and hopefully NOT very often) can save a mountain of useless talk. That said, any spanking that leave marks for more than say, five minutes is not a spanking to me. I’d characterize that more as a beating. Beatings only teach children to be cowed. Not useful. The judge was out of line to say that no spanking is ever allowed by the state, but beatings are not only useless, they are cruel.


89 posted on 06/15/2011 11:39:10 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert ("And I'm actually happy to be, for us to be the moat with alligators party." -- Mark Steyn)
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Spanking with a belt on the rear is perfectly legal in Texas; the judge needs to be removed along with the prosecutors:

“Striking a child above the waist is more likely to be considered abusive; disciplinary spanking is usually confined to the buttocks”

“Spanking with the bare, open hand is least likely to be abusive”

“Belts and hair brushes are accepted by many as legitimate disciplinary “tools,” and their use is not likely to be considered abusive, as long as injury does not occur.”

https://www.oag.state.tx.us/AG_Publications/txts/childabuse2.shtml


96 posted on 06/17/2011 2:44:57 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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