Posted on 06/30/2011 11:28:12 PM PDT by Kevmo
This is being reported by several sources.
Interviews with Andrea Rossi and Alexandros Xanthoulis of Defkalion Featured by admin Following Defkalion’s recent press conference Andrea Rossi and Alexandros Xanthoulis of Defkalion were interviewed by representatives from the Italian engineering company Phizero. Rossi’s interview is rather short, but he discusses his contract with the University of Bologna. Xanthoulis answers questions about Defkalion’s operations. You can see the video here. Some of the points that Xanthoulis makes are: Defkalion will not sell it’s products for military use. Defkalion is in negotiations to sell products to the United States (right now Ampenergo has exclusive rights to the US market). Defkalion is currently preparing industrial E-Cats and is currently designing a 3.4 MW plant for industrial use.Home based E-Cats will also be produced at lower power levels. A separate distribution network will be required to install and service E-Cats — Defkalion will be only producing the E-Cats. They have 12 levels of security built in, and they will try to protect the trade secrets, but Xanthoulis is expecting that people will copy the technology. They are selling it cheaply to provide a disincentive for piracy (as well as because they have “social ideas”.
Also being reported here:
http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/interviews-with-rossi-and-xanthoulis/
Interviews with Rossi and Xanthoulis June 29, 2011 by Ivy Matt
Nearly a week after Defkalion Green Technologies S.A. held its press conference in Palaio Faliro, there appears to be no mention of the event in the mainstream media, perhaps the nearest thing being mentions of Andrea Rossi and the E-Cat in the comments to a CNET article on high-energy plasma fusion at MIT. Even DGT itself, which promised a video of the event with English subtitles on Monday or Tuesday of this week, has failed to deliver so far. The company has, however, recently released some information regarding press conference attendance on its website.
Meanwhile, Phizero, the producer of “Low Energy Nuclear Revolution”, has released a new video containing footage of interviews with Andrea Rossi and DGT board member Alexandros Xanthoulis, conducted after the press conference:
The first interview, with Andrea Rossi, is very brief, and mostly concerns his research contract with the University of Bologna. According to Rossi the research will be conducted over two years, with the first results expected in one year. The study will consist of research and development to improve the E-Cat technology, and will involve running the reactor for 24 hours a day over a period of six months. Afterwards a metallurgical analysis will be conducted to examine the transmutation of the metals in the device.
The interview with Alexandros Xanthoulis revealed some new information. Among the highlights:
DGT is in discussions [with Ampenergo?] to sell their products in the USA. DGT’s investors are a group of friends of the Greek diaspora who attended the same university in Canada. The 5 to 30 kW modules are all the same size, the only difference being the pressure, so they will cost the same. The 1 MW reactor is now being tested, and DGT is working on producing a 3 MW reactor. DGT is only producing the units, not distributing or marketing them. It will take five years of production for DGT to meet the demand of the orders they’ve received so far. Every six months the units will be serviced by technicians employed by the distributors, but trained by Defkalion. The reactors have twelve levels of security; nevertheless, somebody will break the security sooner or later. Defkalion is depending primarily on legal protections and the low cost of the units to discourage competitors from producing Hyperion knock-offs. Thanks to Phizero for the video!
Cool stuff, but I really can’t stand Linda Moulton Howe.
She messed up the only real UFO experiment I’ve been involved in, the famed “Art’s Parts”, the flying saucer material that was sent to Art Bell in 1997.
Just the opposite, I remember following the cell phone from the first papers discussing the concept and the internet before www. They were both technically interesting and people figured there was money to be made but nobody was thinking half the population of the world would be carrying a cell phone or most of the civilized world would have access to nearly universal information, many of them accessing it through the cell phone.
In the 80’s, a cell phone was a just good way to signal women that you had disposable income.
“She messed up the only real UFO experiment I’ve been involved in, the famed “Art’s Parts”, the flying saucer material that was sent to Art Bell in 1997”
There has to be an interesting story behind that statement.
There was. It was just before I officially joined FR.
Basically, someone sent Art Bell a letter with some parts and said they came from Roswell in 1947, the famous flying saucer crash. I was working graveyard at the time and listened to Coast-to-Coast. I logged into the email list of ArtBellFans and made a prediction: That the parts would be mostly aluminum plus some other alloy, made of material available in 1947, and that they would be sintered.
I then proceeded to debate every single person on Art Bell Fans mail list because I apparently was the only person who believed that flying saucers were secret weapons.
A particularly aggressive debater named MJ SETI kept going back & forth with me, and I basically slammed him on almost every point he ever made. I encouraged him to read a book by Renato Vesco, “Intercept UFO”. Just one book. Both of us had read dozens of books on UFOs, so asking to read one more isn’t a big stretch.
He read the book. It changed his mind about UFOs. Then he became the most obnoxious debater (I was actually relatively polite) and drove the Art Bell Fans nuts.
Anyhow, all of my predictions came true. Art Bell handed over his pieces to Linda Howe for testing, and I kept hammering away saying they should be tested to see if they’re sintered. She completely biffed the whole thing, because a few weeks later the same guy who sent in the first set of parts supposedly sent in a second set of parts. I suggested that this new set of parts would be different, not necessarily made of material available in 1947 and that the 2 batches should not be mixed. The 2nd set of parts were disinformation, pulled off the latest shelf for their wizbang properties to draw off the scent of the originals.
Basically, Linda Moulton Howe mixed the 2 batches together just after finding a “tensile strength anomaly” in the first batch (HELLO??? SINTERED) and I got disgusted & dropped out of the group... I was busy with school anyways.
Yes
Which is it? You are very conversant with the E-cat literature. Can you point me to where that claim is made, and how it is determined?
Start here, section 13.2
How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real
LENR.QUMBO.com ^ | April 6, 2011 | Alan Fletcher
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:52:15 PM by Kevmo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2730401/posts
13.2. Hydrogen
Controller contains a Hydrogen Fuel Cell, Main unit burns Hydrogen.
Liquid Hydrogen and external Air are the most favorable for a fake.
Control Box: Liquid Hydrogen/External Air Fuel Cell Main Unit: Liquid Hydrogen/External Air
Section Ctrl Horz Vert Fake
Energy Expt
Power FAKE?
Material LH/Air-FC LH/Air LH/Air Fake Expt
Energy 168 kWH 61.7 kWH 25.3 kWH 255 kWH 10.0 kW 25.5 Hrs 0.500 Hrs
January with ALL sections
Main Unit: Liquid Hydrogen/External Air
Section Ctrl Horz Vert Fake
Energy Expt
Power FAKE?
Material - LH/Air LH/Air Fake Expt
Energy 61.7 kWH 25.3 kWH 87.0 kWH 10.0 kW 8.70 Hrs 0.500 Hrs
January with MAIN unit — excluding Control Box
Horizontal Arm: Liquid Hydrogen/External Air
Section Ctrl Horz Vert Fake
Energy Expt
Power REAL
Material - LH/Air - Fake Expt
Energy 61.7 kWH 61.7 kWH 16.0 kW 3.86 Hrs 18.0 Hrs
February with HORIZONTAL unit
Reactor: Liquid Hydrogen/External Air
Section Ctrl React Vert Fake
Energy Expt
Power REAL
Material - LH/Air - Fake Expt
Energy 30.9 kWH 30.9 kWH 16.0 kW 1.93 Hrs 18.0 Hrs
February with ESTIMATED reactor volume
Reactor chamber: Liquid Hydrogen/External Air
Section Ctrl Chamber Vert Fake
Energy Expt
Power REAL
Material - LH/Air - Fake Expt
Energy 2.81 kWH 2.81 kWH 16.0 kW 0.175 Hrs 18.0 Hrs
February with reactor CHAMBER volume
Horizontal Arm: Liquid Hydrogen/External Air
Section Horz React Vert Fake
Energy Expt
Power FAKE?
Material LH/Air - - Fake Expt
Energy 41.3 kWH 41.3 kWH 4.39 kW 9.41 Hrs 6.00 Hrs
March with HORIZONTAL unit
Reactor: Liquid Hydrogen/External Air
Section Horz React Vert Fake
Energy Expt
Power REAL
Material - LH/Air - Fake Expt
Energy 0.252 kWH 0.252 kWH 4.39 kW 0.0574 Hrs 6.00 Hrs
March with ESTIMATED reactor volume
Reactor chamber: Liquid Hydrogen/External Air
Section Chamber Vert Fake
Energy Expt
Power REAL
Material - LH/Air - Fake Expt
Energy 0.140 kWH 0.140 kWH 4.39 kW 0.0320 Hrs 6.00 Hrs
March with reactor CHAMBER volume
FAKE? means that the fake could run longer than the experiment, and is NOT eliminated
REAL means that the fake is ELIMINATED by an experiment, so the device could be REAL
BTW, I'm not suggesting a fraud, really, just a mistake...
I can’t find the exact tidbit you’re looking for. You’ll need to fetch it for yourself.
They need to talk to Apple’s manufacturing partners, who really know how to scale up new production.
It is possible that the ‘battery’/energy-source is just the chemical reaction of the hydrogen with the zirconium oxide in the ‘magic mixture’, which is either reduction of the oxide or slow ‘combustion’ of the hydrogen, whichever way you want to look at it.
No, your statement does not still stand. I’m just not your errand boy. Go fetch the data yourself.
There is no way, if it were the chemical reaction you mention, that it would work for 12 months.
You can start here, on the Defkalion website:
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=31&p=161#p161
Re: How long will it last Defkalion GT Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:11 pm
Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:56 pm
Posts: 95 Recharging of the e-cat and the hydrogen can is required, at the moment, to take place every six months. This is due to inspection protocols and not real consumption of Ni and Hydrogen (the can last far more to produce heat energy in a non stop condition).
When we have enough testing time on our products, the energy production with no recharge will be guaranteed for longer (12 months).
You were the one who claimed that 99% of the hydrogen gas remains, and you are therefore the one who needs to produce the back-up to his claim.
Hell, at one time, they may have taught Alchemy 101 or Dragon-slaying there.
My claim still stands even if I don’t have the time to be your errand boy.
You know that if most of the hydrogen gas remains, then it cannot be the chemical reaction that you claim. You also know that such a chemical reaction could not work for 12 months like Rossi is claiming in my last post. You have enough information to discard your own chemical reaction claim.
As far as I’m concerned, even if this DOES prove to be just a chemical reaction, then all the better. We won’t have the NRC regulating it. It’s still efficient, relatively clean energy.
The 'patent' there is not a patent, just cover sheets for one. Access is denied for the paper and other documents.
The site where I saw that claim is probably the Vortex-L mailing list. It crashes often.
Here’s an example of their discussions about burning Hydrogen.
RESULTS
The test run on January 14 lasted for 1 hour. After the first 30 minutes the outlet flow became dry steam. The enthalpy during this last 30 minutes can be computed very simply, based on the heat capacity of water (4.2 kJ/kgK) and heat of vaporization of water (2260 kJ/kg):
Mass of water 8.8 kg
Temperature change 87°C
Energy to bring water to 100°C: 87°C*4.2*8.8 kg = 3,216 kJ
Energy to vaporize 10 kg of water: 2260*8.8 = 19,888 kJ
Total: 23,107 kJ
Duration 30 minutes = 1800 seconds
Power 12,837 W, minus auxiliary power ~12 kW
There were two potential ways in which input power might have been measured incorrectly: heater power, and the hydrogen, which might have burned if air had been present in the cell.
The heater power was measured at 400 W. It could not have been much higher that this, because it is plugged into an ordinary wall outlet. Even if a wall socket could supply 12 kW, the heater electric wire would burn.
During the test runs the weight of the hydrogen tank did not measurably decrease, so less than 0.1 g of hydrogen was consumed. 0.1 g of hydrogen is 0.1 mole, which makes 0.05 mole of water. The heat of formation of water is 286 kJ/mole, so if the hydrogen had been burned it would have produced less than 14.3 kJ.
If it's a chemical reaction, where does the copper come from?
(sorry)
If it’s a chemical reaction, where does the copper come from?
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