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Cracks start to show in ‘vegetative state’ diagnosis
LifeSiteNews ^ | 7/11/11 | Kathleen Gilbert

Posted on 07/11/2011 4:46:42 PM PDT by wagglebee

July 11, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) - After years of opposition from disability advocates, more experts are beginning to question the validity of the “persistent vegetative state” (PVS) diagnostic label that paved the way for Terri Schiavo’s starvation death.

A Discover magazine article published online July 6 explained that PVS often fails to account for a broad swath of traumatic brain injury patients who are deemed to be “still in there” - a conclusion one science reporter called “haunting.”

Discover’s Kat McGowan examined the outcome of years of experiments by Dr. Joseph Giancino, director of rehabilitation neuropsychology at Spaulding Rehabilitation Hospital, and Nicholas Schiff, a Weill Cornell Medical Center neurologist, as they probed the distinction between reflexes and “real cognition” in patients who appear to have little communion with the outside world.

“These are human beings who seem to have lost their humanity,” Giacino told the magazine. “The question is, is that really the case?”

Several studies, one as late as 2009, have found that as many as 41 percent of PVS patients had some level of awareness, and the evidence keeps building.

Schiff called his first experience with an awakening - he discovered his very first PVS patient was speaking three years later - “truly surreal.” Spurred by that experience, he and Giancino examined more “PVS” patients. In one case, the team marveled as the neural activity of one man deemed minimally conscious “flared up” just like a healthy brain at the sound of his mother’s voice.

Another patient woke up abruptly after 19 years of minimal consciousness and began to speak fluently. Later, a scan found that his brain was sprouting new connections, something “nobody would have believed” possible with a decades-old injury without picture proof, according to one expert.

The scientists say the discoveries have opened an encouraging frontier for brain injury patients: one man left with nothing but “a huge shadow of fluid where neural flesh should be” after a severe car crash is now able to send emails, thanks to a system that interprets his head movements, the last voluntary action left to his body, McGowan reports. With the help of electrode stimulation, another minimally conscious patient improved so much he could tell his mother he loved her.

However, the bright prospects may be dimmed by prejudice against the disabled: Giancino reflected on a grim reaction he received at a “well-regarded major medical center” after he had given a presentation of his findings.

“The head of trauma thanks me and in a very jovial manner says, ‘In my day, the term for these patients was jellyfish.’ And he laughs and moves on,” he said. “What do you do with that?”

When one neurologist asked Schiff if neurologists, by giving a bleak prognosis for vegetative patients, have been “killing people,” McGowan writes: “Schiff does not directly respond, but the answer is almost certainly yes.”

“The implications of their work are haunting. It suggests that many of the estimated 250,000 to 300,000 or more people in this country languishing in bedrooms and nursing homes with disorders of consciousness are probably still ‘in there’ - still have some capacity to think and to feel and might, in a limited way, be able to rejoin the world,” writes McGowan.

Several cases have been documented of supposedly “vegetative” patients returning to consciousness after as many as twenty years, a fact frequently stressed by disability advocates such as the Terri Schiavo Life and Hope Network.

Bobby Schindler, Terri’s brother and founder of the Network in her honor, said Friday that the “PVS diagnosis needs to be eliminated by the medical community.”

“Not only is it highly flawed and unscientific in its diagnosis (misdiagnosed upwards of 50% of the time), but it is dehumanizing to the individual being labeled as a ‘vegetable,’” wrote Schindler on Facebook.

“More importantly and most disturbing however, is the PVS is being used as a criteria to kill those with cognitive disabilities as it was used to deliberately kill my sister, Terri.”

Terri Schiavo was diagnosed with PVS in 1991, paving the way for a court order forbidding her food and fluids and leading to her infamous death by dehydration, despite video and photos showing that she was alert and responsive.

In the Discover article, McGowan claimed the autopsy of Schiavo “proved that she could never have recovered” because her brain had shrunk dramatically. However, other experts have contested that conclusion based on the known status of Terri’s brain, which besides its size had remained “relatively preserved,” in the words of the doctor who performed the autopsy.


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PVS is nothing more than an excuse used by the culture of death to murder their victims.
1 posted on 07/11/2011 4:46:46 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 07/11/2011 4:47:39 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 07/11/2011 4:48:54 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 07/11/2011 4:49:47 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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PVS is nothing more than an excuse used by the culture of death to murder their victims.

Yup, just another tool used by the death cult that is the modern left...

5 posted on 07/11/2011 4:53:47 PM PDT by piytar (The Obama Depression. Say it early, say it often. Why? Because it's TRUE.)
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“The head of trauma thanks me and in a very jovial manner says, ‘In my day, the term for these patients was jellyfish.’ And he laughs and moves on,” he said. “What do you do with that?”

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It's horrifying that a medical professional would express such a callous disregard for human beings.

6 posted on 07/11/2011 5:15:22 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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It's horrifying that a medical professional would express such a callous disregard for human beings.

In my experience, "medical professionals" can be THE most horrifying people on the planet.

They can also be the most compassionate.

But it is truly a realm of extremes. And when you find a bad one - they are REALLY bad.

7 posted on 07/11/2011 5:25:56 PM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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Several studies, one as late as 2009, have found that as many as 41 percent of PVS patients had some level of awareness, and the evidence keeps building.

I think people are going to be unpleasantly surprised to find out just high the awareness really is.

8 posted on 07/11/2011 5:29:33 PM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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I agree.


9 posted on 07/11/2011 5:29:58 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Yes, it is horrifying. I used to think disabled people were overstating the problem of discrimination against them. I didn’t believe there could be very many people who had a low regard for disabled people. There’s no logical reason for it. Now I know there are a lot of people who hate disabled people to the point of wanting them tortured to death.


10 posted on 07/11/2011 5:32:21 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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In my experience, "medical professionals" can be THE most horrifying people on the planet.

More than most people physicians have a tendency toward developing a god complex and it is often their patients who suffer.

11 posted on 07/11/2011 5:36:17 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I think people are going to be unpleasantly surprised to find out just high the awareness really is.

I know too many FReepers who were there when Terri screamed when she was told that she was going to be murdered, I am certain that she knew exactly what was happening.

The fact that the media when on and on about how "euphoric" being dehydrated to death is convinced me that they also knew she was aware.

An unaware, "brain dead" person CANNOT experience "euphoria" and they DO NOT need morphine for pain.

12 posted on 07/11/2011 5:40:27 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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They make this sound like “new” news.. I was taught in college that we should talk to “comatose” or brain injured people ..keep orienting them ..discuss things when in the room and tell family to watch what they say in the hearing of the patient because we do not know the true level of awareness.. poor terri they hung crape all over her within her hearing


13 posted on 07/11/2011 5:41:21 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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They make this sound like “new” news.. I was taught in college that we should talk to “comatose” or brain injured people ..keep orienting them ..discuss things when in the room and tell family to watch what they say in the hearing of the patient because we do not know the true level of awareness.. poor terri they hung crape all over her within her hearing


14 posted on 07/11/2011 5:41:28 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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Exactly.

God bless Terri. She is running in fields of Heaven now.


15 posted on 07/11/2011 5:48:50 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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Now I know there are a lot of people who hate disabled people to the point of wanting them tortured to death.

There was a show on LifeTime about a woman with some sort of dwarfism, and her efforts to start a family. She mentioned that because the network had featured her in a previous show, she was receiving lots of emails. Most were supportive. Some, unfortunately, were just full of hatred and bile--for instance, telling her that the human race would be better off if she and all people like her would just kill themselves.

There is some true hatred out there for the less than perfect. It's horrifying.

16 posted on 07/11/2011 5:53:20 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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Terri knew what her dad meant when he told her they were out to get her. She was crucified. Thank you, RINOS with dems and cults in tow including Hostage Woodside which is a large global death cult.


17 posted on 07/11/2011 5:54:28 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( Casey Anthony Jurors thought an admonition was a ticket to Disney World,.)
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I agree with you completely. I was taught the same thing - although nursing school for me was 15 years ago & the death trolls have made lots of inroads since then. I am appalled at how the younger generation (I’m 34) talk about patients at work. THese little 20-somethings have lots to learn. Not only is their attitude callous, but their care of patients & work ethic is severely lacking.

I pray my family members & I all drop dead someday. I never want to be “cared” for by the people I see at work. It’s hellish.


18 posted on 07/11/2011 6:08:20 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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Another clue that a person is not “brain dead” is when they don’t drool, which shows they can swallow, like Terri did.


19 posted on 07/11/2011 6:47:21 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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A lot of med people use morbid humor as a dodge from facing morbid reality every day.

It doesn't mean they are evil. Just scared, as everyone else.



Unless you follow Jesus!!!

20 posted on 07/11/2011 7:30:20 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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