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Senate kills Boehner debt ceiling plan
http://dailycaller.com/ ^ | July 29 2011 | P. Conner

Posted on 07/29/2011 5:50:43 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45

The Senate voted to kill a House-approved bill to raise the debt ceiling, leaving the ball in the court of Senate leadership to produce a deficit reduction bill, with just days before the Aug. 2 deadline. The vote was 59-41.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid followed through on his promise to kill the bill, pushed through the House a day late by House Speaker John Boehner. The White House, which has thrown its weight behind a Reid proposal, had promised to veto the bill had it miraculously passed the Senate.

The Senate also killed the Cut, Cap, Balance Act last Friday and has yet to vote on a formal proposal. Having passed two proposals and with little appetite and time to attempt another bill, the House now waits to act on a Senate bill.

“I stuck my neck out a mile to get an agreement with the president of the United States,” Boehner thundered from the floor after the vote. “It’s time for the administration and time for our colleagues across the aisle to put something on the table. Tell us where you are!”

Brad Dayspring, spokesman for House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, announced via Twitter that the House will vote on Reid’s plan Saturday to show that it is “not capable of passing.” First votes are expected to begin at 1 p.m.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/29/senate-kills-boehner-debt-ceiling-plan/#ixzz1TXnnsS3V


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012election; boehnerbill; cutcapbalance; debt; debtceiling; debtlimit; default; donothingsenate; partyofnoplan; reidbill; senate; sharedsacrifice; taxes; vote
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To: Resettozero

Boehner’s forceful speech was all an act. He’s been in on negotiations behind the scenes on Reid’s bill. This has all been scripted.

The House Freshmen are being used. They were supposed to be our last line of defense, but they sold out.

That’s right Tea Party, they SOLD OUT.


101 posted on 07/29/2011 6:38:45 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Boehner, you THUG B@st@rd!)
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To: caww

Perhaps Demint and friends are willing to hold the line.

maybe Mcconnell is bailing from talks at the moment because he knows this..and blaming it on wanting to just talk to Obama.

Demint might use the filibuster.

Interesting debacle taking place


102 posted on 07/29/2011 6:38:45 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: KarlInOhio

ME TOO!


103 posted on 07/29/2011 6:39:39 PM PDT by GailA (Any congress critter who fails to keep faith with the Military, will NOT keep faith with YOU!)
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To: Happy Rain; All
CC&B or BUST!!!

That's all I've been tweeting, calling and writing (on EVERY donation request I get) this entire week.

I also long for the days when we didn't have to constantly call our reps, just to ask them to do the right thing.

I've said it before - ever since Nov. 2008, it seems as though we live in Davey Jones locker. The world is upside down.

It will be an even sadder day if we end up with anything that raises the debt limit without cutting/capping spending. And this Super Congress is very scary. So is seeing folks like Ingraham and Col. West accepting any of these things.

104 posted on 07/29/2011 6:40:37 PM PDT by Jane Long (2 Chron 7:14)
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To: LaybackLenny
-- My understanding is that NOT tabling the bill would make it subject to cloture, meaning it could have bee filibustered. --

As a point of parliamentary procedure, what was tabled was the house amendment to a senate bill. You are correct that tabling that amendment avoids debate and cloture. Reid has offered a senate amendment, and then introduced a cloture motion to limit the time for debate on the senate amendment. Cloture motions always take 60 votes, McConnell offered to take the cloture vote tonight, and Reid said "no" he wanted a simple majority vote. The count on (and reasonably so, I think) public ignorance.

Anyway, if the notion to table had been rejected, then the house amendment would be amenable to debate, or other motions such as to postpone, etc.

105 posted on 07/29/2011 6:40:37 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: EGPWS
Reid just said if they (the House) don’t accept HIS BILL 100%, then it’s default city. Let her rip then!

Obama simply isn't going to let that happen...he's waiting on the sidelines as this reaches another stalemate.....and the time-clock runs out....then he'll take matters into his own hands. Super-hero on the way!

106 posted on 07/29/2011 6:41:00 PM PDT by caww
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To: Mr Rogers

Praise be...I have seen some articles with todays date that are actually reposts of quotes from before the Asian Market emergency scam.

Gotta find out if this is a current quote.


107 posted on 07/29/2011 6:41:03 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: elpadre

“what is their rationale??”

Others here are saying they’re doing it to support or show support for CC and B. Makes sense, and this isn’t a conservative bill by any stretvh.
Lindsey and Hatch are just being silly of course.


108 posted on 07/29/2011 6:41:19 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Mensius

don’t be so sure about that...Right now the polling says the American people favor the republicans...

We are ALREADY in an economic tailspin, which is why as the days go on, the American people will favor the Republicans even more and the Dems will sound emptier and emptier...their press conference was so listless and flat and phony sounding tonight.


109 posted on 07/29/2011 6:41:27 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: All

It’s just amazing hour nerd Reid and Duck Durbin can stand up there with a straight face and say they want bipartisan legislation while at the same time refusing to allow house bills to even be voted on. Plus, obamacare was passed by straight dem votes. The press lets them get away with this crap.

Then schumer says the house republicans can’t tie their shoes. I have no respect for republicans who take this and don’t fight back.


110 posted on 07/29/2011 6:41:38 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I will only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: Para-Ord.45; All
Senate Roll Call tabling the Boehner Bill.

GOP voting NOT to table Boehner bill:

	1.	Alexander (R-TN)
	2.	Ayotte (R-NH)
	3.	Barrasso (R-WY)
	4.	Blunt (R-MO)
	5.	Boozman (R-AR)
	6.	Brown (R-MA)
	7.	Burr (R-NC)
	8.	Chambliss (R-GA)
	9.	Coats (R-IN)
	10.	Coburn (R-OK)
	11.	Cochran (R-MS)
	12.	Collins (R-ME)
	13.	Corker (R-TN)
	14.	Cornyn (R-TX)
	15.	Crapo (R-ID)
	16.	Enzi (R-WY)
	17.	Grassley (R-IA)
	18.	Heller (R-NV)
	19.	Hoeven (R-ND)
	20.	Hutchison (R-TX)
	21.	Inhofe (R-OK)
	22.	Isakson (R-GA)
	23.	Johanns (R-NE)
	24.	Johnson (R-WI)
	25.	Kirk (R-IL)
	26.	Kyl (R-AZ)
	27.	Lugar (R-IN)
	28.	McCain (R-AZ)
	29.	McConnell (R-KY)
	30.	Moran (R-KS)
	31.	Murkowski (R-AK)
	32.	Portman (R-OH)
	33.	Risch (R-ID)
	34.	Roberts (R-KS)
	35.	Rubio (R-FL)
	36.	Sessions (R-AL)
	37.	Shelby (R-AL)
	38.	Snowe (R-ME)
	39.	Thune (R-SD)
	40.	Toomey (R-PA)
	41.	Wicker (R-MS)

Voting with the RATS not to debate/vote on Boehner bill:

	1.	DeMint (R-SC)
	2.	Graham (R-SC)
	3.	Hatch (R-UT)
	4.	Lee (R-UT)
	5.	Paul (R-KY)
	6.	Vitter (R-LA)

111 posted on 07/29/2011 6:41:43 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama's plan: http://rooney.house.gov/images/stories/President_Obamas_Plan.pdf)
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To: Para-Ord.45; All
Senate Roll Call tabling the Boehner Bill.

GOP voting NOT to table Boehner bill:

	1.	Alexander (R-TN)
	2.	Ayotte (R-NH)
	3.	Barrasso (R-WY)
	4.	Blunt (R-MO)
	5.	Boozman (R-AR)
	6.	Brown (R-MA)
	7.	Burr (R-NC)
	8.	Chambliss (R-GA)
	9.	Coats (R-IN)
	10.	Coburn (R-OK)
	11.	Cochran (R-MS)
	12.	Collins (R-ME)
	13.	Corker (R-TN)
	14.	Cornyn (R-TX)
	15.	Crapo (R-ID)
	16.	Enzi (R-WY)
	17.	Grassley (R-IA)
	18.	Heller (R-NV)
	19.	Hoeven (R-ND)
	20.	Hutchison (R-TX)
	21.	Inhofe (R-OK)
	22.	Isakson (R-GA)
	23.	Johanns (R-NE)
	24.	Johnson (R-WI)
	25.	Kirk (R-IL)
	26.	Kyl (R-AZ)
	27.	Lugar (R-IN)
	28.	McCain (R-AZ)
	29.	McConnell (R-KY)
	30.	Moran (R-KS)
	31.	Murkowski (R-AK)
	32.	Portman (R-OH)
	33.	Risch (R-ID)
	34.	Roberts (R-KS)
	35.	Rubio (R-FL)
	36.	Sessions (R-AL)
	37.	Shelby (R-AL)
	38.	Snowe (R-ME)
	39.	Thune (R-SD)
	40.	Toomey (R-PA)
	41.	Wicker (R-MS)

Voting with the RATS not to debate/vote on Boehner bill:

	1.	DeMint (R-SC)
	2.	Graham (R-SC)
	3.	Hatch (R-UT)
	4.	Lee (R-UT)
	5.	Paul (R-KY)
	6.	Vitter (R-LA)

112 posted on 07/29/2011 6:41:43 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama's plan: http://rooney.house.gov/images/stories/President_Obamas_Plan.pdf)
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To: Para-Ord.45
Boner and his leadership is an embarrassment to the country.
113 posted on 07/29/2011 6:41:55 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: Raycpa

Yes, and this vulturism that I have been seeing on these threads is very disheartening. Either follow ALL the maneuvers or don’t comment on what you don’t know. The dems are the enemy here, not the Republican leadership. Boehner has had to swim upstream against heavy current with dem and lsm sharks in the water. For heaven’s sake, give the man some credit for doing next to the impossible.


114 posted on 07/29/2011 6:43:02 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: bwc2221

Ingram, are whatever, sure is an idiot.


115 posted on 07/29/2011 6:44:07 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
That’s right Tea Party, they SOLD OUT.

Horseshit. We don't have the numbers.












116 posted on 07/29/2011 6:44:54 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what ?)
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To: CincyRichieRich
It's time to take away Obama and the other Democrats National Socialists' credit card.
The House should kill the Senate Bill, IF THERE EVER IS ONE.

The Democrats National Socialists should act like adults. Here's a real comparison.

117 posted on 07/29/2011 6:46:00 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: RummyChick

From today:

““The bipartisan House-passed Cut, Cap, Balance bill remains the only plan on the table, the only one that preserves our AAA rating, and is only four Democrat votes away from a Senate majority to end this debt crisis,” said Senator DeMint. “I will work to force another vote on Cut, Cap & Balance next week because the President and Democrats have not offered the American people any other viable solution...The President created this crisis by irresponsible spending and borrowing that has left our economy in shambles, and if he’s unwilling to simply agree to balance the budget in 10 years then he is not a credible negotiating partner.”

http://www.thestatecolumn.com/south-carolina/sen-jim-demint-vows-to-force-another-vote-on-cut-cap-balance/


118 posted on 07/29/2011 6:46:32 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: GailA

Thank you for this link!!

PIG BOOK OF CONGRESSIONAL SPENDING

http://www.cagw.org/reports/pig-book/2010/


119 posted on 07/29/2011 6:46:36 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Mariner

We already know that he’s the latter.


120 posted on 07/29/2011 6:47:23 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Boehner, you THUG B@st@rd!)
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To: org.whodat

On that we can ALL agree.


121 posted on 07/29/2011 6:48:45 PM PDT by LaybackLenny (Palin-________ Overdrive 2012 - Holy Flippin' Crap!!)
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To: doc
only if CCB is amended to force congress to live under Medicare, 2 week vacations, same for the Pres and the Mooch, make the mulit-millionaire Pres buy their family clothes and pay for campaign stops. And KICK every ILLEGAL off every entitlement, and cut every program in the Pig Book, then I'll start believing them.

From the Pig Book

When Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW) released the first Congressional Pig Book in 1991, the group was a lonely voice in the pork-barrel wilderness. There was only modest objection to the 546 projects worth $3.2 billion, and “earmark” was virtually unknown. The one constant since then has been the undisputed reign of the King of Pork, Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.).

After Republicans took over Congress in 1994, pork-barrel projects started to be used as a currency of re-election. Over the following decade, they became a currency of corruption, and the explosion in earmarks to their peak at $29 billion in 2006 helped erase the Republican majority. The 9,129 projects in the 2010 Congressional Pig Book represent a 10.2 percent decline from the 10,160 projects identified in fiscal year 2009, and the $16.5 billion in cost is a 15.5 percent decrease from the $19.6 billion in pork in fiscal year 2009.

Quid pro quo donor palm greasing, they have built into every program.

122 posted on 07/29/2011 6:48:47 PM PDT by GailA (Any congress critter who fails to keep faith with the Military, will NOT keep faith with YOU!)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Can boehner kill the bill just like harry did?

If so, he can just say it’s DOA and refuse to debate it - until Harry allows debate on CCB


123 posted on 07/29/2011 6:49:04 PM PDT by Principled
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To: glock rocks; Lauren BaRecall

Nobody sold out. This fight is not over. Not by a long shot.


124 posted on 07/29/2011 6:50:36 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: org.whodat
While you're spouting off on Boehner and the House leadership, did you bother to notice 23 GOP Senators voted with Dems in favor of "shared sacrifice" (higher taxes)?

No, you didn't notice. You're too busy saying it's all Boehner's fault. Blah, blah. Everyone's a RINO. Blah, blah. It's all a conspiracy. Blah, blah.

125 posted on 07/29/2011 6:51:04 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama's plan: http://rooney.house.gov/images/stories/President_Obamas_Plan.pdf)
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To: glock rocks

http://marketnewstweets.com/2011/07/freedomworks-stands-with-rep-jim-jordan-and-sen-jim-demint-in-opposition-to-the-boehner-compromise-plan/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


126 posted on 07/29/2011 6:51:30 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Yosemitest

Thanks for posting that.


127 posted on 07/29/2011 6:52:32 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama's plan: http://rooney.house.gov/images/stories/President_Obamas_Plan.pdf)
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To: RummyChick

AUgrad00 John Starnes
@
@SenatorSessions under no condition should we raise the debt limit please stand with Jim Demint and Sen Paul


128 posted on 07/29/2011 6:52:49 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Cboldt

This reminds me of the whole episode with Obamocare. Backroom deals and polticial theater. And now more TV news entertainment which looks like they’re doing something.

What’s the difference between a clouture vote and simple majority? Since Reid declined the clouture vote then he knows he doesn’t have the 60 required. That much I get....


129 posted on 07/29/2011 6:53:05 PM PDT by caww
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To: Mr Rogers

unfortunately, that is an old quote. It is not from today.

Interesting that they reran it.


130 posted on 07/29/2011 6:54:44 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Clump

Prayer won’t save us on this one. Just as with TARP, the Soros or Wall Street billionaire fix is in! Guys like Boehner don’t work for us. Bob


131 posted on 07/29/2011 6:56:37 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("I'll just go back to the dream I was having, before love went astray." Al Stewart)
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To: RummyChick

Thanks Rummy. I’ve gotta go figure Mike Lee and Borrin Orrin on this. After I feed the clan and the neighbors. Q is up! BBL.


132 posted on 07/29/2011 6:58:21 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what ?)
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To: RummyChick

He gets plenty of “hate” around these parts but let me say this: Paul Ryan is awesome.


133 posted on 07/29/2011 6:58:21 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Paul Ryan on Reid's bill: "Let's cover the moon with yogurt" http://post.ly/2gTED)
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To: Para-Ord.45
“I stuck my neck out a mile to get an agreement with the president of the United States,” Boehner thundered from the floor after the vote. “It’s time for the administration and time for our colleagues across the aisle to put something on the table. Tell us where you are!”

The Democrats have Boehner right where they want him...begging for a lousy Democrat proposal.

134 posted on 07/29/2011 6:59:47 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: alstewartfan

http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/29/sophies-choice-we-choose-survival/


135 posted on 07/29/2011 7:00:45 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: newzjunkey

I think that these six who voted the RIGHT way, for reasons other than the RATS. They did NOT sell us out. I just heard Mike Lee on Hannity. He opposes Boehner’s treacherous bill 100%! Bob


136 posted on 07/29/2011 7:01:38 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("I'll just go back to the dream I was having, before love went astray." Al Stewart)
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To: arkfreepdom

agreed, except for replacing boehner w a tea partyer


137 posted on 07/29/2011 7:02:27 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Freeper football is the cause and answer to all your short term problems. Ask me how.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

Perhaps you are right but I’m not sure. The House freshman were not the only ones who might have been used, but 22 DID vote No this evening. I prefer to wait to see how things work out in the next week or so before deciding that the freshmen failed. Maybe then I can agree with you but not just yet.


138 posted on 07/29/2011 7:02:37 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: KarlInOhio
Sniff, sniff. I smell RINOs. I want names.

Do you really need the names. Hell I don't even have to look and I can smell out the usual traitors.

139 posted on 07/29/2011 7:03:17 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: FreeReign

The Dems regard Boehner as a fool, and they are laughing their asses off at his naivete and cowardice. Boehner blinked before the first shot was fired.


140 posted on 07/29/2011 7:03:33 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("I'll just go back to the dream I was having, before love went astray." Al Stewart)
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To: KarlInOhio

Exactly. These RINO traitors need to be primaried out.


141 posted on 07/29/2011 7:04:58 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: unixfox

Not this time.

Demint and his “cabal” are trying to find a way to get CCB back in the forefront.

Don’t know if he can do it.

Don’t know if he is willing to go to the mat at this point with a filibuster.


142 posted on 07/29/2011 7:05:53 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Interesting article, but basically says neither Reid nor Boehner’s bills will do enough....so they are still kicking the can down the road. Nothings changed.


143 posted on 07/29/2011 7:06:11 PM PDT by caww
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To: RummyChick

I am so off the Ryan float in the debt ceiling parade. He knows he voted for cr@p.


144 posted on 07/29/2011 7:06:33 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Boehner, you THUG B@st@rd!)
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To: MestaMachine
I agree with your post. I have not been commenting on this because, even after listening to various programs today—ALL DAY—I'm still confused. Rush says we are being tricked, Prager reads Krauthammer and that makes sense. I just can't put it all together...Lots of smart people I listen to/read are not agreeing on this mess.

But I think Boehner is in a horrible position...and, I'll say it...I think he was good with his little rant today. And, I'll even go out on the ledge: I think the American people, the normal Joe's and Jane's that don't follow this stuff like we do...ARE TAKING NOTE OF THIS MESS. They will hear the Boehner soundbite and they will see that little p*ssy Reid's response. They have also been exposed to the idiot in the WH day after day and realize he is an empty suit, who is a liar. He has no plan. Even Joe Sixpack is figuring that out.

I have no way of knowing if there is a “secret plan” and that Boehner is a man of little character....But, if I have to guess...and that is what we are all doing now...I say he is really trying to work in a miserable situation and my $$$ is on him.

145 posted on 07/29/2011 7:07:19 PM PDT by Pigsley
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To: Para-Ord.45

You don’t stick your neck out during a knife fight. Mortal wounds


146 posted on 07/29/2011 7:07:32 PM PDT by TBall
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
don’t be so sure about that...Right now the polling says the American people favor the republicans...

THE PEOPLE just gave up, THEY saw the TP, THEIR SAVIORS IN SPIRIT friggin' CAVE!

Problems to be sure!

147 posted on 07/29/2011 7:08:48 PM PDT by Mensius
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I think what has changed was last night’s non-vote. The Tea Partiers did not fall for it. This means that any bill from the senate, crafted by Reid, will also not pass.

I predict that August 2 will come and go with no bill. This if the House barely passed a Boenher bill with the Balanced Budget Admendment, it will not pass the crap that Reid and McConnell will put together.


148 posted on 07/29/2011 7:10:50 PM PDT by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: KarlInOhio

I jumped in earlier without knowing who they were. Hatch and Graham are suspect. But I will reserve judgement until I see how this plays out. I think I can give a pass to the others for know. Lee is a very good guy. If Reid can’t get his bill through the Senate he may come back to this one.


149 posted on 07/29/2011 7:11:51 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: FreeReign
The Democrats have Boehner right where they want him...begging for a lousy Democrat proposal.

Is there some rule that says the House has to approve of whatever garbage the senate sends over?

150 posted on 07/29/2011 7:11:59 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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