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Retired Military Translator's Home Reportedly Raided in DEA Mix-Up
myfoxdetroit.com ^ | July 31, 2011 | myFoxDetroit.com

Posted on 07/31/2011 10:58:06 PM PDT by Psalm_2

"As soon as I opened the door, somebody grabbed me and took me outside and put me on the grass," Tossa said. "The first thing I thought was they were terrorists who want to kill me because I served in Iraq."

The DEA agents were executing a search warrant.

“I kept asking, what’s going on?” he said. “And they held my neck to the ground so I can’t talk.”

According to the report, the DEA was executing a search warrant for Tossa’s landlord’s son, who apparently uses Tossa’s one-story house’s address for mailing.

“Before they raid any house, they should have more information,” Tossa said. “Not rumors.”

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the America we are living in has become a police state.
1 posted on 07/31/2011 10:58:14 PM PDT by Psalm_2
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To: bamahead

Donut watch ping!


2 posted on 07/31/2011 11:02:02 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Psalm_2

How do these guys get search warrants? Though I hate the idea that taxpayers should pay for police mistakes, I do think that unless they get sued, they will continue.


3 posted on 07/31/2011 11:04:56 PM PDT by fini
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To: Psalm_2
the America we are living in has become a police state.

...and the so-called "war on drugs" gives them every opportunity.

5 posted on 07/31/2011 11:10:27 PM PDT by tpmintx (The problems we face today are there today because the people who work for a living are outnumbered.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Pre-signed blank warrants?

I’ve always believed that a warrant is required to clearly state, Who, Why, and Where, and What, also to clearly articulate a REASONABLE suspicion.

Too many reports nowadays clearly fail any reasonable standard for issuing the warrant.
If they really are bad guys, do a little more investigating, maybe arrest them away from home, or are the “Dynamic Entries” just too much fun to miss out on?


6 posted on 07/31/2011 11:12:21 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Something must have gotten lost in translation;)


7 posted on 07/31/2011 11:15:45 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Psalm_2
12 years ago our home was raided by the King County SWAT Team. They said it was because a person convicted of having sex with an underage girl had attempted to contact her when he was released. Apparently he had given the authorities the phone number that our house had had several years before we moved in.

I was at work at the time. They were just getting ready to use a battering ram on our front door when my wife was able to hobble down to it. Her leg was in a cast at the time. They held her at gun point while they ran all around the house with their assault rifles out in full swat gear and made a mess. My wife was very worried they were going to shoot our wiener dogs.

I have never understood how they got a search warrant on such skimpy and faulty information. We didn't get any kind of apology.

8 posted on 07/31/2011 11:21:32 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
I still can’t understand how the sophisticated DEA, ATF, and FBI can still f*ck up a raid.

To many chiefs and hardly no indians. That's how. How many secret appointments to senior positions have there been in the past 10 years we'll never know about?

Secondly, affirmative action based on race, religion, and sexuality and not on intelligence or abilities.

Thirdly, none of the agencies can interact properly or exchange information or rely on each other, etc. There is still no such thing as an inter-agency relationship, that's all bogus.

My point being, how large and how fast has the federal government (employee-wise) grown in the past 10 years and no one is retiring, everyone gets pushed up to senior positions because there is too much money to be made.
9 posted on 07/31/2011 11:26:42 PM PDT by brent13a (Freerepublic is a great sight for conservative news, if you can stomach the cop hating.)
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To: Psalm_2
The first thing I thought was they were terrorists who want to kill me because I served in Iraq."

Sorry this happened to you, Mr. Tossa.

You put yourself on the line for our freedom, only to be pissed on by low-life drug warriors.

10 posted on 07/31/2011 11:32:37 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: fireman15
12 years ago our home was raided by the King County SWAT Team.....I have never understood how they got a search warrant on such skimpy and faulty information. We didn't get any kind of apology.

As a police officer these stories enrage and sadden me. There is no excuse. The only thing I can say is, that most of the blame for that should be placed on the States Attorney and the investigative officer(s). The SWAT, while somewhat culpable, is in the end just a tool. SWAT is a blunt object that is thrown hard at a paper wall usually.

I personally believe things like SWAT need to be greatly scaled back. And this is coming from a Marine Infantryman who is now a cop. I love guns, I love the job but too much is too much.

Someday, a SWAT or ERT team is going to be blindly sent into the wrong home wherein there is going to be a highly trained person (like a neighboring agency's police officer) and there is going to be a lot of of unnecessary bloodshed on both ends. It hasn't really happened yet, but it's only a matter of time.
11 posted on 07/31/2011 11:34:19 PM PDT by brent13a (Freerepublic is a great sight for conservative news, if you can stomach the cop hating.)
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To: Psalm_2

Problem 1: He Lives in Detroit

Problem 2: He opened the door


12 posted on 07/31/2011 11:46:42 PM PDT by onona (I stand with SARAH !)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
"They have all kinds of databanks to go to in order to find out who lives where - electric and gas bills, water bills, trash bills, real estate taxes records, phone bills, etc"

exactly.

any bounty hunter or auto repossessor worth their salt would say the same. yet here a gov.t agency apparently fails at skip tracing. this is very poor investigative work. are they doing this out of imcompetency or to condition the citizenry ?

seems to me its both, & it is rotting our trust in the feds & local leo's.

read another story recently where the FBI made a similar mistake which induced a young child into fearing leo's.

13 posted on 08/01/2011 12:07:46 AM PDT by Psalm_2 (Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12:21 NASB)
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To: Psalm_2

Hey, at least the dog survived. Apparently they were up on their target practice.


14 posted on 08/01/2011 12:26:38 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: Psalm_2
...the DEA was executing a search warrant for Tossa’s landlord’s son, who apparently uses Tossa’s one-story house’s address for mailing.

Barney Fife could do better pre-op intel than that. Heck! Floyd the barber could do better than that.

15 posted on 08/01/2011 12:34:33 AM PDT by TigersEye (No dark sarcasm in the press room ... Hey!, Barry!, leave them bills alone.)
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To: Psalm_2

Did a little bounty hunting. We’d call the place and ask them if the perp was there. They’d ask “why” and we’d tell them we had a ups package to delivery.

“Yeah, I’m here. What’s in the package?”

“We’re not allow to open the packages. We need an address where we can deliver it and a time you’ll be there to sign.”

“Heck far, I’m home right now.”

“I’ll be right there”. Then we’d go over and arrest the guy.

Another good ruse is tell the neighbors the guy is wanted for second degree murder. They’ll all give up a murderer. Hell, they thought he was just selling dope. He WAS just selling dope.

But feds have to go IN guns blazin’. We hardly ever went in with a gun loaded. When your mark hears the rack of that shotgun he’ll know the wrath of the Lord is near and he will surrender. Of course we knew he wasn’t armed or our guns would be loaded.

I didn’t do this line of work much. I felt like it could get addictive.


16 posted on 08/01/2011 12:40:53 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: Psalm_2; SmithL; Eyes Unclouded; Rodney King; Redcitizen; ellery; dcwusmc; Forgotten Amendments; ...
"Whoops... Sorry, citizen. We thought you were someone else" PING

Click the link to be added to the "Whoops. Sorry, citizen. We thought you were someone else" PING list.

17 posted on 08/01/2011 12:42:18 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: TigersEye

Something could be spelled out better here. If police traced back to a return address put on a piece of mail by the person they intended to find, what tells them the person isn’t holed up there with the tenant? Unless due diligence, of course, finds multiple pointers to the person at some different address, and I would fault police for not exercising that kind of due diligence if such records were within the detectives’ scope. It’s for a reason they’re called detectives. They’re supposed to detect things, not go wild.


18 posted on 08/01/2011 1:49:05 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution!)
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To: brent13a

What bugs me about these stories is that the guys doing this are supposedly also USA citizens. For the life of me with WWII infantry service(to young and late for battle) I have to wonder where/when does this lopsided aggression get started. Have we as a Nation lost human concept that as individuals we should do unto others as we would have them do unto us or the similar admonition of let your conscience be your guide.


19 posted on 08/01/2011 1:58:11 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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bump


20 posted on 08/01/2011 2:46:19 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: noinfringers2
Well said:

What bugs me about these stories is that the guys doing this are supposedly also USA citizens. I have to wonder where/when does this lopsided aggression get started. Have we as a Nation lost human concept that as individuals we should do unto others as we would have them do unto us or the similar admonition of let your conscience be your guide.

21 posted on 08/01/2011 2:52:41 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: Psalm_2

No dogs were shot so I’m OK with this. Just one of life’s little speed bumps...the price we pay to live in a drug free society


22 posted on 08/01/2011 2:59:31 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: Psalm_2

“Condition the citizenry”. Except only we’re a “population” not citizens anymore. Citizens have rights and are to be treated with respect.


23 posted on 08/01/2011 3:29:36 AM PDT by hfr (Liberalism is a moral disorder that leads to mental disorder)
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To: tpmintx
Dead wrong.

It is a natural tendency of bureaucrats to move towards tyranny, and that is a separate issue from any vehicle they may use along the way.

The abuses are just as grievous within game warden laws, and those preceded the drug war by generations.

Embracing a drug culture would not in any way slow abusive government down, they would just throw more troops into military raids on Amish milkmen.

24 posted on 08/01/2011 4:56:27 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: brent13a

Such a watering of the tree of liberty is a most unfortunate unintended consequence of the militarization of police.

The transition from a job whose purpose is to take life to a job whose purpose is to protect life must be very difficult, even though similar tactics and weapons are used.


25 posted on 08/01/2011 5:08:26 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: brent13a
One of the little problems has always been the need to have a search warrant first before looking up the information (even address information) on the internet.

So, they don't bother and go by nothing more than their own scribbled notes taken from interviews with druggies.

Presumably the requirement keeps them honest and avoids privacy violations.

26 posted on 08/01/2011 5:15:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: HiTech RedNeck
That's called a mail trace ~ and you need a warrant to look at the address on a piece of mail (return or destination) and then use it for whatever purpose.

So, they do without the warrant and use the address from some other source.

It's stupid of course, but there are still people alive who were involved in a Mail Cover operation for Richard Nixon who can tell you that in the long run even that warrant doesn't protect you from the druggies, Commies and assorted POS in the news media who protect them.

The Leftwingtards have been 100% responsible for every bad raid in modern American history.

27 posted on 08/01/2011 5:19:21 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: brent13a

Between raids gone bad for whatever reason (the citizenry sees SWAT and the investigating officer as one entity), enforcement of traffic laws for revenue instead of safety, and a far-too-common “you are just a civilian peon” attitude from many cops, and you have a strong erosion of the public’s confidence in LEOs as a group.

I do appreciate your sticking with it here, and your comments such as those in #9. Most conservatives really don’t hate cops, and don’t want to dislike the institution. That said, my attitudes have changed greatly on this in the last decade or so, and I’m far from the only one like this. The fact that this is occurring should lead to some serious soul searching in the profession. It is something LEOs very much need to address from the inside.


28 posted on 08/01/2011 5:32:09 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: brent13a
The only thing I can say is, that most of the blame for that should be placed on the States Attorney and the investigative officer(s).

So basically you are saying the entry team can successfully plead the Nuremberg Defense and be absolved of any responsibility, no matter what level of violence and death results of their efforts.

Since it appears that this "blunt" object has zero responsibility or common sense, it follows that even a "warrant" scratched out on the back of a McDonald's receipt would also be considered a valid order to smash down a fellow American's property and put their lives in immediate jeopardy.

Your comments are absolutely no different from excusing some drug cartel enforcers from butchering a family because they did it on orders from on high.

29 posted on 08/01/2011 5:40:20 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: Psalm_2

Just like private businesses, this will not stop until they’re held accountable both civilly and criminally. SWAT teams are needed and the training is warranted and required. However, their overuse is absolutely ridiculous and as is the case in Arizona and the Pima County SO, people will die for no reason. There are much better and more efficient ways for police to operate, the last of which should be a military style entry into someones home. Especially the wrong one.


30 posted on 08/01/2011 6:07:30 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: qaz123

Swat teams are not needed, and never have been.

The situations for which this is appropriate (strictly a subgroup of armed hostage situations where the perp is known to be highly skilled or paramilitarily armed) are rare enough that the use of national guard MPs obtained by going through the state governor provides an adequate force. That used to be what was done.

It is not done this way now simply because state governors are directly accountable to.the people, and the left wanted a force available somewhat sheilded from the voters.


31 posted on 08/01/2011 6:24:07 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: dennisw
Sarcasm? (I hope...)
32 posted on 08/01/2011 7:52:30 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: brent13a
As a police officer these stories enrage and sadden me.

So what if anything are you doing to stop them?

33 posted on 08/01/2011 8:00:01 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Psalm_2

Never open the door if you don’t know who is on the other side. If they don’t acceptably identify themselves and start breaking in the door, it is decision time.


34 posted on 08/01/2011 8:00:40 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Psalm_2
This guy never noticed someone else using the home he rents as a mailing address and put an end to it?

Then whines when it causes him trouble. Stupid ass.

35 posted on 08/01/2011 8:08:06 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: TigersEye

Seems to me a Magistrate has to authorize a search warrant. What did they tell that joker regarding the rationale to support an arrest. Clearly because the last name of the property records is the same as they guy we are looking for is not enough IMO.

Magistrates used to take these matters seriously from my experience in the 70’s and 80’s. What the hell changed all that?


36 posted on 08/01/2011 8:11:25 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Thank you for the cop perspective...we are all enlightened.
37 posted on 08/01/2011 8:46:38 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: starlifter

Did I interrupt your Cop Hating session with a cold shower of common sense?

So sorry. (Not really).


38 posted on 08/01/2011 8:53:16 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
No, actually you didn't...
39 posted on 08/01/2011 8:55:54 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: starlifter

I hate it when cops shoot the pet dog. It’s like they are the big dog and want to kill the little dog. Much better research has to be done before these no-knock drug raids by wanna be ninjas.
Aside from that we need to toughen our drug laws so pushers get tried and hanged. This would be hard drug pushers. Marijuana sellers I would exile from the United States for 5 years


40 posted on 08/01/2011 8:56:11 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: starlifter

Of course not.

Except you are bothered enough to respond.

That is interrupted.

Look it up.


41 posted on 08/01/2011 8:59:50 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
My dear, I was referring to your allegation of your own “common sense”.

Thanks for playing. I got a good laugh.

42 posted on 08/01/2011 9:04:37 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: starlifter

Who died the keeper of common sense?

Obviously I posted something you can’t emotionally deal with so now you are Trolling me.

That is exactly how all the Cop Hater threads become.

You were expected, Troll.


43 posted on 08/01/2011 9:07:42 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: MikeSteelBe; brent13a; noinfringers2; Gilbo_3; hiredhand; Squantos

“...The transition from a job whose purpose is to take life to a job whose purpose is to protect life must be very difficult, even though similar tactics and weapons are used.
...”

Where does it say their job is “to protect life”???

Their job is to ENFORCE the LAW - period. And they will - no matter which assh*le with an (R) or a (D) after their name tells them to pull the trigger.

1971 Supreme Court ruled that police are under Z-E-R-O obligation to protect or save your life. Their sole job is to show after the crime happens, draw a chalk line around your corpse, and write up a report.

We’re on our own as far as that goes.

They’re NOT our friends. The days of “Peace Officer Friendly” are long gone.

The Nazis used “Officer Friendly” to go door to door to round Jews, folks with firearms, and any other dissident that didn’t go along with program.

What makes ANYONE think it’ll be any different here, should “The Day” come? This no-knock raid sh*t is getting more and more prevalent, and they’re getting more and more bold about it. To my mind, they’re just making examples out of folks to show “who’s in control”.

Decide here and now what you’ll when that day comes, because you won’t have many options.

“...Have we as a Nation lost human concept that as individuals we should do unto others as we would have them do unto us ...?”

noinfringers2 - that concept went out the window when the WWII generation didn’t stomp the lefties into the ground when they started systematically erasing Christianity from every facet of American life.


45 posted on 08/01/2011 9:22:37 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
This guy never noticed someone else using the home he rents as a mailing address and put an end to it? Then whines when it causes him trouble. Stupid ass.

Is there EVER a police action you deplore?

You are a full-on copsucker.

46 posted on 08/01/2011 9:25:49 AM PDT by Lazamataz (If you pet a tiny goose, you will feel a little down.)
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To: Lazamataz

That is a compliment coming from a loser like you.


47 posted on 08/01/2011 9:28:57 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Lurker
So what if anything are you doing to stop them?

I've been slowly using my personal fortune of billions of dollars (I've squirreled away doing dirty drug deals out of the trunk of my squad car) and I've been going on a world-wide door-to-door campaign by which I force every police chief and sheriff to listen to my lectures until they submit to a blood-brother handshake over the original US Constitution agreeing that they will never again screw up by doing what they do.

Brother, please.

Were you a cop who quit out of protest? ? I mean, since you're so high up there on that grand steed what exactly have you done about all the police problems except be a keyboard warrior?
48 posted on 08/01/2011 9:29:46 AM PDT by brent13a (Freerepublic is a great sight for conservative news, if you can stomach the cop hating.)
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To: brent13a; Lurker

Lurk... go easy. Brent’s one of the good ones. Only so much one man can do. The problem’s not with good cops like Brent; the problem’s with fascist scumbags like Berlin_Freeper (”oh, Lord... I beseech thee...”)


50 posted on 08/01/2011 9:36:10 AM PDT by Lazamataz (If you pet a tiny goose, you will feel a little down.)
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