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1 posted on 08/20/2011 6:24:52 AM PDT by tobyhill
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Obama won’t do anything until 2013.


2 posted on 08/20/2011 6:26:17 AM PDT by scooby321
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I really believe Obama wants to lose the election.


3 posted on 08/20/2011 6:29:12 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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I love the libtards response.

Less coal plants (i.e. less access to electricity) will improve your health.

El Morons.


4 posted on 08/20/2011 6:29:37 AM PDT by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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Obama is doing everything that he can to hold back, control, hamper, regulate and steal from businesses and those who start, own and run them. Ergo he is doing everything he can to destroy the economy. One can speculate as to why. But he is.
But we all know that it is the Republicans who are deliberately stalling the recovery.


9 posted on 08/20/2011 6:38:28 AM PDT by all the best
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The people in PA should vote for Obama again. They loved him last time—even when he said he would bankrupt coal based industries.


11 posted on 08/20/2011 6:39:04 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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Intentionally reducing the supply of energy... I never could understand why they call themselves “progressives”. Like everything else libtard, nothing but a lie.


12 posted on 08/20/2011 6:39:29 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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Sure, raise electric costs when we are on the verge of a recession and unemployment is close to 10%...that is real smart.

ENVIRONAZIS NEED TO STFU!!!

15 posted on 08/20/2011 6:44:25 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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CRS notes that many of the plants most affected by the new EPA rules were facing extinction anyway: “Many of these plants are inefficient and are being replaced by more efficient combined cycle natural gas plants, a development likely to be encouraged if the price of competing fuel—natural gas—continues to be low, almost regardless of EPA rules.”

Perhaps, but it's one thing to fully depreciate a plant over, say, 50 years and plan for its replacement. It's quite another to have one lose its asset value overnight. In that case, the capital simply won't exist to replace it.

But liberals figure that the Fed can just print up some capital. No prob.

20 posted on 08/20/2011 6:57:32 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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Hopefully Rick Perry gets in and nukes these EPA parasites. Puts them all on the bread lines which is where they want to put the American people

FUBO FUEPA


22 posted on 08/20/2011 7:01:45 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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In 1992 the UN informed us at the “Earth Summit” that the use of fossil fuels was on their “not sustainable” list.

Now that the UN Agenda 21 is U.S. govt. policy is it any wonder that our access to our fossil fuel resources is being curtailed?

There must be a turning back with more awareness of how deeply embedded Agenda 21 policy is and how this is decimating the economy-as designed.

Start your research at agenda21today.com


24 posted on 08/20/2011 7:05:33 AM PDT by Captain7seas (FIRE JANE LUBCHENCO FROM NOAA)
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In 1992 the UN informed us at the “Earth Summit” that the use of fossil fuels was on their “not sustainable” list.

Now that the UN Agenda 21 is U.S. govt. policy is it any wonder that our access to our fossil fuel resources is being curtailed?

There must be a turning back with more awareness of how deeply embedded Agenda 21 policy is and how this is decimating the economy-as designed.

Start your research at agenda21today.com


25 posted on 08/20/2011 7:05:46 AM PDT by Captain7seas (FIRE JANE LUBCHENCO FROM NOAA)
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"Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system*, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket," Obama told the Chronicle . "Coal-powered plants, you know, natural gas, you name it, whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers."

His plan was to do 'cap & trade' by regulation if the legislation failed. Gd dictatorial bastard.

29 posted on 08/20/2011 7:12:07 AM PDT by tbpiper (Sarah Palin is the antivenin for the Obama poison)
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Bfl.


30 posted on 08/20/2011 7:13:37 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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“Let the bastards freeze in the dark”

That particular catchphrase was originally coined when petroleum prices went so high back during the Carter Administration. It related to the boycott of fuel oil in the Northeast, of Texas petroleum production, and the acceleration of petroleum imports from elsewhere. The entrepreneurs that did the oil exploration were hemmed in further and further by “environmental” regulations that were designed primarily to RESTRICT the extraction of fossil energy.

Now the restrictions extend to the very USE of fossil energy.

Fossil energy is not really “fossil”, as the earth is in the process of creating new hydrocarbons from the building blocks of carbon dioxide and water all the time. Down at the “Moho” discontinuity, the conditions of temperature and pressure are such that water is broken down into free hydrogen, which reacts with the extensive quantity of carbon dioxide that also exists at that level. A naturally occurring Fischer-Tropsch reaction on a massive scale creates the various hydrocarbon fractions, which permeate upward out of the zone.

“Peak oil” is another myth to discourage use of the “fossil energy” resources.

Just another in a series of fabrications and dramatizations to create artificial scarcity.


36 posted on 08/20/2011 7:27:21 AM PDT by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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Frankly, I can't get too worked up about this. One commenter has already speculated about losing power because of the regulations. That will pale in comparison if the worst-case scenario occurs with a coronal mass ejection, and the resulting geomagnetic storm takes its toll. In 1859, a CME-induced geomagnetic storm took out the telegraph networks. In our modern age, engineers predict that a similar event would cause massive power outages and inflict serious damage on the electrical grid. We are talking losing parts in the grid that would take months to replace. (This assumes some bright PhD candidates don't come up with a scheme to protect transmission components, soon enough to allow the protection to be added to the grid.)

Research into low-cost local power generation can't come quick enough.

37 posted on 08/20/2011 7:28:50 AM PDT by asinclair (Talk is cheap, actions are priceless)
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The author of the article must not have written the title? Gotcha title?


38 posted on 08/20/2011 7:32:16 AM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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There are some plans underway to build some coal loading terminals on the Columbia river in Washington or Oregon, to facilitate the export of coal. I wonder if these things are related. Maybe the coal companies are getting into export because they don’t think there will be as much of a demand for coal in the US with plants closing.


39 posted on 08/20/2011 7:33:21 AM PDT by wideminded
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Just in time for all those Chevy Volts to plug into the grid.

Charles MacKay must be chuckling in Heaven.


42 posted on 08/20/2011 7:40:22 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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The washington post. Yeah, they are the most even handed, balanced, and nonpartisan rag in the country.


44 posted on 08/20/2011 7:47:46 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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One would think Obama should never be able to win in 2012.

Don’t think that. We are not dealing with decent people. They are corrupt communists and they will pull out every stop to win. I mean every stop no matter how bad.

If we can prevail, it will be absolutely necessary to drain DC of the democrat vermin working in every capacity. Put them out of work. Shut down agencies and get rid of them. Fire commie teachers and redo all textbooks too.

We have to cut out the cancer in all walks of government.


45 posted on 08/20/2011 7:48:59 AM PDT by dforest
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