Posted on 09/21/2011 2:23:01 PM PDT by sunmars
Edited on 09/21/2011 2:30:54 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
WASHINGTON - In secretly recorded conversations between two individuals deeply entwined in the ATF's controversial "Fast and Furious" operation, the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry is described as "collateral damage."
The recordings were obtained exclusively by CBS News. The man who made them - Arizona gun dealer Andre Howard - ran the Lone Wolf Trading Company and was speaking with Hope MacAllister, the ATF operation's case agent.
Two of the guns Howard sold while cooperating with the ATF that were later found at Terry's murder.
"It happened. It's terrible," Howard said. "That's life ok we move on."
In the following excerpts, they talk about the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Two weapons purchased by ATF Fast and Furious suspects were found at the murder scene. They also discuss concerns that ATF whistleblower John Dodson, who had then been moved out of the ATF office and tasked to the FBI, has information that could be damaging to the government.
EXCERPT 1
Dealer: Unfortunately a consequence occurred from a weapon shall we say that found its way into the wrong area ok and that was not anticipated. Nobody could foresee that that's collateral damage I think the term is. It happened. It's terrible. That's life ok we move on. Unfortunately, Mr. Dodson with his allegation is a pain in the a--. Now, my understanding now is it will be impossible now that he will be able to substantiate anything directly because that evidence is gone. I want you to know that. It don't exist. Not that one. You understand me?
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People need to hang for this.
Alot of people.
If I didn't know any better, I would swear that the person on the tapes was actor Chris Cooper. Sounds like something that came right out of his movie "Breach".
I guess technically this would be Central Europe it doesn't really matter. And since the Czech Republic was a part of the old Soviet Eastern bloc the people there must be fairly astute about all things totalitarian.
“I downloaded the CBS Video report
FR Mail me if anybody wants it to keep or put on YouTube.”
doug can you do it?
“That’s life ok we move on.”
How nice of them ...
“Holder’s name comes up often. Hopefully we’ll see him in a orange jumpsuit soon.”
Not if SeeBS can help it.
So what did Leahy do with the information? I honestly don’t understand why anyone trusts these people. Leahy is a Senator, for God’s sake. If he can’t act responsibly, he shouldn’t be in the Senate. I don’t care how much of a damn liberal he is!
>Whoa, sounds like Senator Leahy tried to shut down the investigation.<
Certainly does now doesn’t it?
Sounds like he was obstructing the investigation through legislative means as a matter of fact.
Because the ATF agent is telling the dealer about it.
>Somebody help me out, how does this gun dealer know so much about evidence being hidden and the other nefarious workings of this debacle?<
The dealer didn’t like what was going on. He was the one who made the tapes. he was trying to get them to implicate themselves in sending guns to Mexico.
He is the one who turned the tapes in to add credibility to the atf agents who blew the whistle
“CBS may just be willing to do its job.” hee hee hee
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>Barry’s “under the radar” plan to screw with the 2nd amendment hasn’t turned out to be so stealthy after all. Fun times in the WH as Barry and the gang are starting to see ALL that was hidden come into the light, ALL of it.<
There is a lot coming out now. I expect that there will be more and more as time marches on to the elections. His own party is destroying him from the inside. Even he rats realize he is toxic and they want him out. They just can’t do it above board.
>I heard that this dealer released it because he was trying to get info on tape with the agent...that he was trying to smoke out the agent. Is this true?<
he was trying to get the agent to admit that they were sending guns to Mexico illegally. gathering as much information on everyone that he could on tape.
>We are watching one of the largest government misconduct scandals in history play out. In its scope and seriousness — Fast & Furious makes Watergate look like a case of shoplifting.<
It is bigger than Iran Contra from a legal point of view as well.
I hope that now as Issa has asked for a special prosecutor that the media will start reporting the seriousness of it and how big it is.
I was having a talk with my uncle, who has political leanings just left of lenin who said that this didn’t happen or he woudl have heard about it.
Media is still keeping it very quiet as long as they can.
Might be good - because it will come out in ‘12
The dealer understood he was following instructions for illegal behavior —he complied because he thought he was HELPING. As time wore on and the purchase volumes sky-rocketed he came to understand the precarious position he was in —with murders in Mexico traced to his guns, the ATF might later simply deny they had instructed him to undertake these many shady sales. Then HE would suddenly be a criminal, and punished by the very people he had been helping.
It makes sense a gun-dealer would be suspicious —the ATF is broadly seen as the enemy.
Do you know what early allegations brought the interest of Law Enforcement to Waco?
Allegations of dealing machine-guns in Texas.
For legal reasons later cops also claimed the religious group there was also dealing drugs —this was so that the cops could use the military for assault training, etc.(there is a drug-related exception for using the military domestically).
Later they also stated that babies were being beaten at Waco.
All this is talked about rather a lot among gun-dealers, so there is a lot of fear.
The ATF is seen as dishonest and it does not surprise me that he taped them, and that on his very own tapes he decided to speak like a super bad guy —he was trying to draw them in and saw really bad stuff on tape.
Where in hell is Drudge on all this?
Does anyone know the Richard Jewell story, the security guard hero for the Olympic park bombing, whom the FBI tried to frame?
They brought him in for questioning, and got nothing incriminating from him at first. Seeing he looked up to the FBI as “real cops” they said:
“Okay...yeah we know you’re a good guy —you didn’t do the park bombing...shucks....”
“Well....as long as you’re here, still, we’re making this training tape, and...the scenario is sorta like the silliness we brought ya in here for, and...you’ll pretend like you’re being interrogated for some -—lessay a bombing, kay— and then finally you break under our ‘questioning’ and you confess to everything, and you’re all dismayed, and stuff... Would ya do that...?
And poor, fat, trusting Richard Jewell was about 1-inch from “helping” them when suddenly he realized the FBI could simply claim that it was a genuine confession tape to the bombing.
The FBI was simply going to STICK all this stuff ON HIM, a guy they KNEW was INNOCENT.
And, in 2013, I want people going to jail over this one.
Historically, new administrations don't investigate or prosecute previous administrations -- a political courtesy, I suppose.
But Fast & Furious is not only responsible for the deaths of hundreds of innocents (including Mexico), it is such an egregious attack on the Constitution that the perpetrators simply must be prosecuted and punished.
We cannot allow this kind of criminal misconduct to survive in a government institution -- much less the highest offices of the land.
And Jewell was going to get stuck because the President of the United States, Bill Clinton, had instructed the FBI to arrest somebody, anybody and "do it NOW!"
There was absolutely no consideration as to whether that "somebody, anybody" might be guilty. The POTUS wanted to get the heat off himself.
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