Posted on 09/23/2011 2:56:24 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
I did it last late night..I may not post much but I read a lot.
I am waiting to make my choice..I like Perry but he is a terrible debater..I like Palin but she has not declared..I like Cain but worry about his lack of experience..Newt is great in the debates but has way too much baggage. Newt was once my hero long ago..but he can’t lead and gets mushy.
I am definitely ABO
The Wall Street Journal-Ann Coulter-Bill Kristol axis doesn’t care if Christie’s been in office for only five minutes, with no national name recognition, who-knows-what skeletons in his closet, with no Palin-or-Perry zest for campaigning with crowds, New Joisie accent, gigantic weight problem, and RINO on social issues.
The Eastern Seaboard elites don’t care about all those flaws. So long as as the name is not Palin or Perry.
Here I was tempted to believe you were trying to take credit for someone else's dropping the dime :-)
But...since you were kind enough to address me directly, and then proceed to substance, let's converse on that level.
I have several fundamental disagreements with Perry on policy, so he's out.
(Using the EO on Gardasil and then claiming it couldn't be overridden by the legislature, then claiming "he's listened to the public" once they DID override him; doing the EO "to get Medicaid funding" but claiming to run to get the Feds out of our lives; being a globalist (e.g. the Trans Texas Corridor's tolls were to be collected by a Spanish company); pandering to illegals (Texas Dream Act setting ILLEGAL aliens on an equal footing with some US citizens, and above others); "pay-to-play" (too numerous to mention, but it includes > $10 million to Countrywide financial and a $55 million slush fund from rich backers to Blitzkrieg the GOP primary process).
And the fact that he has shown in the debates that he is just bone-crushingly *STUPID*: he had Romney right in his sights with the "flip-flop" speech all memorized and flubbed it: and if Obama is a post-turtle, Perry is a post.
He is a creature of his handlers and backers, and is too reliant on bragging about TEXAS for a national audience: what plays when running for the GOP Governor's office in Texas won't play when running for the President of all the US -- you can brag about your state but do it in a self-deprecating way, with humor, not like an aggressive tire salesman poking his finger through a customer's chest ("Whoa, pal. You don't need four new tires; you need at least SIX. Don't he need six new tires, Chuck?")
Not to mention supporting GORE while REAGAN WAS STILL IN OFFICE: you can talk about 'the most conservative Democrat' but none of them can hold a candle to Renaldus Magnus.
I think Palin is going to declare; she's just waiting for a signal, or circumstances, known to her but not to us (Christie or Jeb entering in to weaken Romney; some significant hit on Obama, say Nader or Hillary declaring they will primary him?); but she's cutting it awfully close from a logistics point of view, even considering the boots already on the ground via Conservatives4Palin: and I wouldn't rule out the Dems trying dirty tricks to try to disqualify her from key primaries at a late date.
Cain's lack of experience is peculiar: he has been an executive, but only in the private sector. Which means that when you say "jump" everyone else says "How high?" and it doesn't work like that in D.C. And to make it worse, you have a hostile press deliberately MISreporting in the Dems' favor, to include leaks from your own side by people with an axe to grind. Palin has no illusions anymore about the Press, and has obviously learned a lot about playing them like a fiddle. I don't know if Cain has the luxury of *that* kind of a learning curve.
Newt -- if it weren't for his past affairs and the AGW sofa ad with Pelosi, he'd have grown on me. I'd like to see him as part of Cain's or Palin's "kitchen cabinet" (if you remember your US history and Andrew Jackson).
I'd like to be ABO but I don't know if I can quite stomach Romney or Perry or Ron Paul.
That's why I'm pulling for Palin so hard.
Rita: you claimed earlier I couldn't argue and had no substance, and I invited you to offer some substance rather than mindless cheering squad.
So here's a brief take of my opinions on the candidates. Cheers!
I know your views on Perry and we Texans in general, gw..
I think if Palin is getting in ..it must be soon..I don’t do the guessing just when game ..
Cain just won the Florida straw vote BIG
OK -- did you note my comments on Cain? And that I had substantive policy disagreements with Perry, as well as his "campaign bedside manner"?
Palin has a trick up her sleeve: I've always had a hard time even surmising who she'd pick as VP -- my best guess (and I'm neither confident nor happy in it) would be Petraeus to shore up her foreign policy / military chops.
So I've tentatively concluded she's going to do something as far off the wall as when she resigned as Governor in Alaska in order to go on the offensive against the Dems.
Other than naming Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck as her VP, though, I can't imagine what it is.
Cheers!
Uh, more than "threatened".
Many people don't discuss conservatism here much anymore because you never know what will be deemed Politically Incorrect from day-to-day.
Some flip-flops I don't mind, like the more firm anti-illegal-immigration stance since the early days, but it's funny to hear people throw the term "RINO" out there without stopping to think of what it means. Heck, the "Republican" platform doesn't include eliminatino of the Department of Education, but I bet many think that a RINO would be in favor of keeping it.
Yes, he would.
I'm not a big fan of Gov. Christie in many roles, but perhaps as POTUS at this juncture, he'd be better than our current one.
I disagree with his abortion stance, but I doubt that stance will be very relevant in this term anyway. We need to focus on winning both houses of Congress before thinking we're going to see much progress on some fronts.
But his anti-gun stance is an aspect where I see the potential for great harm.
Christie is Pro-Life. He has cut off some state funding for the abortion mills in NJ since becoming Governor.
He used to say he was “pro-choice” but changed some years ago. Hist story about why he changed his mind is believable too.
Thanks for the correction/information!
Verse was spoken to Israel...just for clarity.
However I do understand you're position. Yet I see that we ARE fast becoming a Godless nation every day...power/money does rule the day in the halls of Washington and among politicians of our day...just as it did throughout the Roman Empire.
Furthermore our Constitution is being trampled on, ignored, reconfigured and abused... and more like a rumple strip to pass over for those with power/and money/ and influences by.
If the powers that be feared "we the People" we would not be in the straits we see our country in today. Not only do they not fear the people, but we are used as cannon fodder amongst them while they fire their cannons between themselves.
I do not underestimate God's power to intervene in the whiles of men, but I also know He is also a God of Justice and our nation deserves this for how we have misaligned our priorities, allowed and encouraged corruption and all manner of evils in our country... opened our borders for the "hoards" to come in and with them an agenda of their own which is not American, rather serving their own interests and agendas in claiming and/or reclaiming this nation for themselves. While doing so we have our politicians pandering to them for their votes rather than taking firm stands for what is right for this nation.
The ONLY power we have is at the ballot box and we know the corruption there as well, which for that demands whoever we vote for now must be a landslide vote in order to stop the trajectory this nation is on.
We should be seeking Conservative candidates who 'believe' in what you have written...not many running do...rather they too play lip-service to what the people want to hear.
Our sin is not that we have not sought God...it's we've allowed Him to be pushed from the halls , schools, hospitals and every other institution of our great land....when it is we who should have stood at those times....they didn't grab the power...enough of us weren't paying attention while they rolled their people into place to change our laws...instill ridiculous ones..and basically set the parameters of control in place..
Money is not the problem...it's those who weld it for wrongdoing ...and we allow it to continue.
This primary election and vetting of candidates is revealing not just who the candidates are conservative or not, but even who are conservative or not here on FR.
Time will surely tell the whole story...it always does.
This primary election and vetting of candidates is revealing not just who the candidates are conservative or not, but even who are conservative or not here on FR.
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That is so true, I noticed the same thing.
From the article......
“These Christie supporters note that significant GOP support has remained on the sidelines of the primary fight.”
Hint: They’re waiting for Sarah Palin to declare.....not Christie, or anyone else like him....
“That’s all I need to hate him....”
This nation was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. Those principles afforded us a vision of freedom as a human right given to all humans by God. It was precisely because of this that we (overall) grew and prospered. Hate was NOT a part of that call. I heartily encourage you to go back and study what our Founding Fathers had to say about this. It is very inspiring....and eye-opening. Liberals don’t want to discuss (much less study) this. I hope you will...
Personally, I am repenting of falling short of God’s great gift to us (this nation) and asking Him to have mercy and heal us...so that we can Be and DO what He has called us to Think of the Light on the hill that Reagan so often referred to).
I sincerely wish you well.
;-)
Take it from someone who is nearly twice your age, it doesn’t get any easier to “get in shape” the older you get. While it’s true that it’s never too late to start, the younger you are, the easier and quicker the results.
“Ann Coulter must be thrilled.”
Actually I think Coulter “loves” Romney. I think her life’s ambition is to be one of his plural wives.
IF he jumps in this is really bad for mittens.
Equine feces.
I am getting sick of the search for the “perfect” conservative that destroys our candidates while the Muslim Marxist sits back and laughs.
Perhaps you should consult the Gipper himself:
"We don't intend to turn the Republican Party over to the traitors in the battle just ended. We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged to the same goals of our opposition and who seek our support. Turning the party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all." - Ronald Reagan
Don't let the truth bother you a bit. My experiences of electing RINOS have been disastrous, whether Bush, Arnold, or Nixon. Every one left conservatism in a weaker position than when he took office.
Every candidate is flawed. Instead of attacking each other and giving Hussein Obama fodder for his own ads, they should be attacking the Muslim Marxist non-stop.
And if the Marxist doesn't run and a "moderate" Hillary steps in? Here is the point: We need to be running against "socialist policies" not Obama, whether the presidency, governorships, or representative offices. It doesn't matter whether that candidate wears a Democrat or Republican label. The problem is the policies and the consequences therewith. That's why we don't elect RINOS, because their "socialist light" policies don't work and conservatives get the blame.
Cheers!
Christie at this point I don’t care what your views are. Lose the weight first.
Chris Christie is openly pro-life, and has governed as a pro-life governor, so I would bet that your disagreements with him on abortion are on the margins.
“...you simply just don’t know...”
What I know is that liberals despise Ann Coulter.
;-/
I’ve heard some good things about this book though I have not personally read it. At the beginning of my teaching career, history was one of the subjects that I taught. It was astounding to me to watch the steady progression in the publishing of textbooks to revise a great deal of that history. I believe that if parents sat down and read some of the textbooks being used by their children today....that they would be equally astounded.
It is no wonder, no accident, that students today have little or no understanding of the history and LIGHT of this nation.
Are you familiar with William Federer’s *America’s God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations?*
Imagine having a man of Christie’s bullying forcefulness telling conservatives to SHUT UP about sharia, to SHUT UP about stopping the ground zero mosque, to GROW UP and stop opposing government subsidies for “green” energy, to GROW UP and stop demanding gun rights. The man is conservatives’ worst nightmare, yet they are lusting for him to become president.
Stay in New Jersey fatso! Washington is larded with enough fat heads already.
Imagine having a man of Christie’s bullying forcefulness telling conservatives to SHUT UP about sharia, to SHUT UP about stopping the ground zero mosque, to GROW UP and stop opposing government subsidies for “green” energy, to GROW UP and stop demanding gun rights. The man is conservatives’ worst nightmare, yet they are lusting for him to become president.
This breathless excitement over Christie doesn’t make Ann Coulter look quite as intelligent as I’ve thought she was.
America is DYING to hear a plan...Cain has the 999...and he is taking each step to target his audience with a plan...not soundbites and/or petty squabbles, over your book said...shit we are seeing between Perry and Mitt...now...if NEWT or Palin were to come out with a PLAN...they would rocket forward as well....
Bullies admire bullies...
I’ll bet secretly James Carville admires Ann Coulter and Gov. Christie too....
PSN...my statements were not about peoples faith who have convictions....it was and is about those who do not and those who sit on the fence of what reality is today.... and the current reality of the world we live in now....
This isn’t about God coming for his own...this is about an election of which he asks our co-operation. This is about and in these next months ahead of choosing a candidate.
And no it is not a Godless statmenet to say the only power we have is at the Ballot Box.....that is the order of which we elect our candidates. If there is any other power it would be for Gods intervention and His power to change this equation. But he gives free-will for men to choose.
Your’ve not been paying attention if you have not observed those being vetted here and in the public sector. Of course they are all being vetted.....
I am a Christian and have no doubt that God has given man the freedom to elect our candidates....but this also includes those who are not Christian...and any in between. This requires our co-operation to investigate and seek the best for that office....not just hang around the edges and expect God to do what He has assigned us to do.
Here we go again. When is Bill Kristol going to be convinced that Ryan and Christie are NOT running?
Cheers!
Hi. Haven’t posted in...years...and I like your name. I’d be interested big big in Christie. One, he was elected in New Jersey, he talks like a working Joe, and I keep reading these asinine polls that say no one can beat the obama-meister.
(years ago, my seabag was lost on greyhound. when I got the insurance check from them, it was $32601...I called to inquire, as my claim was for less, $200-some, pricey flannel and holy blue jeans...talked w/the prezz...he asked me, kindly, to write “void” on that and send it to Des Moines. I did. Got the right amount a couple weeks later. He explained that the 32601 was my zip. Someone goofed. )
onward and upward.
President Elect: “To protect and defend the ConstitutioAAAAAAAaaaaaaagh”
{thud}
Chief Justice: Does anybody here know CPR?
Yeah, that’s gonna work out great.
Politicians who surround themselves with armed security yet do not allow citizens to do the same deserve all of the contempt possible.
Is that guy really Christie?
Please, Mr. Christie. for the sake of you, your family, NJ, and possibly the nation, make an effort to lose some weight.
The press is saying this am that Christie is still a no go.
(That’s what they are saying anyways....)
Stay in New Jersey fatso! Washington is larded with enough fat heads already.I agree.
I am a conservative living in NJ and I believe that Christie should stay NJ Gov where he can do some good, rather than try for US Prez, where he could only do great harm.
Who do you like??
Leni
What is it with Coulter?
I still like Perry, though I am greatly disappointed in his debate performances to date.
I am still hoping he can recover.
I also like Palin, though I’m not sure she can win, and I’m not sure she thinks she can win. But I will probably support her if she gets in.
I really looked at Perry as the answer to our problems but he has done very poorly out of the gate.
We’ll see.
“He’s for the mosque at Ground Zero and for gun control and the list goes on! He put a muslim judge in NJ court system because he’s his friend and known him for many years.”
Amen to all of that. Perry’s problem is that he’s pro-amnesty. Christie’s problem is that he’s pro-Muslim. That is UNACCEPTABLE in today’s political environment. Plus he’s enormously fat. He needs to let go of this idea of a candidacy. If he pursues it, then he needs to choose an excellent VP, since someone in his condition is a ticking time bomb.
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