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Perry's Not the Only GOP Star to Support Tuition Breaks for Illegal Immigrants' Kids
National Journal ^ | September 27, 2011 | Beth Reinhard

Posted on 09/28/2011 5:01:27 AM PDT by bobsunshine

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1 posted on 09/28/2011 5:01:30 AM PDT by bobsunshine
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To: bobsunshine

I will not vote for anyone who supports this.


2 posted on 09/28/2011 5:03:40 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is a Communist, a Muslim, and an illegal alien)
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To: bobsunshine
The establishment republicans have managed to move the public debate to something that happened 10 years ago. They have take the attention off the economy and moved it into something that is long past. The reason we end up with weak leaders is because we are weak and end up being led around by the nose by the slickters.

I'm afraid we're going to get what we deserve.

3 posted on 09/28/2011 5:05:00 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: bmwcyle
I understand how you feel and I share your feelings but I know some mighty good folks in other states who have voted for similar legislation. I wouldn't jump to conclusions because we do not always know WHY this legislation has come about.

Remember in TX there were 180 plus legislators that voted for it and only four votes against it.

4 posted on 09/28/2011 5:07:03 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: bmwcyle

There is no politician running for POTUS of either party who does not or will not support this.

Some conservatives may have preconditions or qualifiers, such as requiring that the student have attended in state high school or served in US military, parents have paid state taxes, limiting it to community college and requiring that the illegals register and get on a track to citizenship (all part of the Maryland “Dream Act”).

So good luck in staying home. The rest of us will choose your next POTUS for you.


5 posted on 09/28/2011 5:10:06 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: bobsunshine

Jeb Bush-—now THERE’s a surprise. The BUsh family can’t get enough illegal immigration.

Unfortunate that Rubio is a supporter.


6 posted on 09/28/2011 5:12:04 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: bobsunshine

State Actions

In June 2001, Texas (HB1403) was the first state to pass legislation allowing in-state tuition for immigrant students, followed by California (AB540), Utah (HB144), and New York (SB7784) in 2001-2002; Washington (HB1079), Oklahoma (SB596) and Illinois (HB60) in 2003; Kansas (HB2145) in 2004; New Mexico (SB582) in 2005; Nebraska (LB239) in 2006; Wisconsin (A75) in 2009; Maryland (S167/H470) and Connecticut (H6390) in 2011. The state laws permit these students to become eligible for in-state tuition if they graduate from state high schools, have two to three years residence in the state, and apply to a state college or university. The student may be required to sign an affidavit promising to seek legal immigration status.  These requirements for unauthorized immigrant students are stricter than the residency requirements for out-of-state students to gain in-state tuition.

In 2008, Oklahoma passed HB 1804 which ended its in-state tuition benefit, including financial aid, for students without lawful presence in the United States. The Act allows the Oklahoma State Regents to enroll a student in higher education institutions permitted that they meet special requirements.  

States that have barred unauthorized immigrant students from in-state tuition benefits include Arizona (Proposition 300, 2006), Colorado (HB 1023, 2006), Georgia (SB 492, 2008), South Carolina (HB4400, 2008), and Indiana (H 1402, 2011). 


7 posted on 09/28/2011 5:14:22 AM PDT by deport
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The only other chink in his armor is his support for a law he signed which allowed for non-citizen children domiciled in Texas without immigration documentation to be considered Texas residents for the purposes of paying college tuition. From the boos in the crowds it was apparent that most Republicans nation-wide do not support this. Nonetheless, Perry explains very clearly and carefully why he signed what was a veto proof bill passed with four “no” votes out of 183 Texas legislators, with Republicans in firm control of both chambers.

But here’s what Yankees like Michelle Bachmann, Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum don’t get. Texas is not the only state that has done this. New Mexico and California have as well. Not surprisingly, Arizona is the only state with an actual border with Mexico that hasn’t. In addition to Arizona, only three other states prohibit in-state tuition for children with undocumented immigration status. However, in addition to Texas, New Mexico, and California, eight other states specifically allow it. These include Kansas (passed with a Republican supermajority in both houses), Nebraska (non-partisan, but with a supermajority of members who were otherwise Republicans), and Utah (again, with a dual supermajority of Republicans), New York (split control), Oklahoma (Republican House and even split in the Senate), as well as Illinois, Washington, and Wisconsin (Democratic simple majority in both houses).

Now you may be thinking to yourself, if only four states have prohibited state universities from considering undocumented students as residents, and eight have specifically permitted it, what about the other thirty-eight? They have not legislated on the matter at all. What is not prohibited is allowed.

One Statesman in the Field

8 posted on 09/28/2011 5:14:30 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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In Gomer Pile voice: Suprise, Suprise!
9 posted on 09/28/2011 5:14:50 AM PDT by McGruff (Vetting - The process of examination and evaluation of a candidate's record.)
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To: McGavin999

“They have take the attention off the economy and moved it...”

We are constanly told “it’s the economy, stupid”, but aren’t issues like these economic in nature? Isn’t the underlying issue the state taking money from some to benefit others?


10 posted on 09/28/2011 5:16:39 AM PDT by ngat
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Remember in TX there were 180 plus legislators that voted for it and only four votes against it.


Close but there are only 181 Legislators in the Texas Legislature, 31 Senators and 150 in House.


11 posted on 09/28/2011 5:17:36 AM PDT by deport
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To: bobsunshine

Perry is a GOP “Star”???

You have got to be kidding!


12 posted on 09/28/2011 5:18:11 AM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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Jeb Bush offered solidarity w/ Perry---he called Tuition Breaks for Illegals' Kids proposed when he was Fla governor ---“fair policy."

Jeb's wife is Mexican---so it's a no-brainer for him to support this.

He'd be in deep doo-doo at home if he didn't.

And he didn't say those who disagreed with him are "heartless racists."

13 posted on 09/28/2011 5:19:13 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: ngat
No they are NOT. This issue is 10 years old, seems to me I remember some pretty good times that happened during that time (before 9-11). Even after 9-11 the economy was rising. Now we have people out of work, we have old line businesses going under every day, we have a breakdown of everything that make America prosperous and we're talking about an issue that happened 10 years ago FGS!

If you have full employment in your state, and everything is just ducky then I can understand the focus on this issue, otherwise, you are being led around by the nose.

14 posted on 09/28/2011 5:22:21 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: bobsunshine

I think illegal aliens should be given tuition breaks. Then investigate and deport anyone applying for it.


15 posted on 09/28/2011 5:25:10 AM PDT by magslinger (To properly protect your family you need a Bible, a twelve gauge and a pig.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma; silverleaf

What you both said. (is true)

Conservatives resent the demagoguery by the supporters of the dream acts; the accusations, the appeal to emotion the supporters of the initiative uses to get their way. “if you don’t support my position you are “heartless”. It’s for the “children” brought here through no fault of their own. This kind of politics has to stop.


16 posted on 09/28/2011 5:27:02 AM PDT by ngat
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To: bobsunshine
“I think that is a fair policy," Bush said in an e-mail to National Journal on Tuesday, adding that the students who benefit from the tuition breaks find themselves in the United States through “no fault of their own."

This "no fault of their own" BS is nothing more than concentrated horse pucky from politicians who are seeking a permanent crowd of support by buying the most number of illegal supporters.

Bush 43 was too stupid to realize that it wasn't working for him and the illegals AND their illegal spawn all detested him.

As for Perry, his Democratic roots still come out and trip him up, periodically, and Texas politics is littered with some of his worst liberal ideas. At the end of the day, he talks a good story, but he walks a different line. Hopefully, Perry and Romney will both deliver each other's knockout punch and open the field up to someone else like Cain, or Sarah if she decides to enter the fray.

17 posted on 09/28/2011 5:27:19 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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“I can understand the focus on this issue, otherwise, you are being led around by the nose.”

I don’t think so. At least some of us can evaluate and see the connection between two or more seemingly unrelated issues. In other words we CAN walk and chew gum at the same time.

“No they are NOT.”

That is no refutation of my point that the underlying issue is economic in nature. To just blurt out “no they are Not” adds nothing to the discussion.


18 posted on 09/28/2011 5:36:31 AM PDT by ngat
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To: McGavin999

"The establishment republicans have managed to move the public debate to something that happened 10 years ago. They have take the attention off the economy and moved it into something that is long past. The reason we end up with weak leaders is because we are weak and end up being led around by the nose by the slickters."

You are absolutely right - we are being played by the Republican elites. When will we stop falling for this crap?

19 posted on 09/28/2011 5:37:10 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: DustyMoment

and what will you do when Palin offers up the same program, maybe in different words?

She has mentioned registering illegals, not deporting them
When she is pinned to the wall she will mutter the same ideas. Educate and assimilate, not deport.

Cain is a businessman and one of the heaviest lobbies in Perry’s state of Texas supporting this stuff is the business community, looking for (cheap) pools of educated labor. Not that Cain will head up the national ticket. Ever.


20 posted on 09/28/2011 5:37:37 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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