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Perry's Not the Only GOP Star to Support Tuition Breaks for Illegal Immigrants' Kids
National Journal ^ | September 27, 2011 | Beth Reinhard

Posted on 09/28/2011 5:01:27 AM PDT by bobsunshine

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To: alicewonders
Let’s face it, the establishment has had many years to structure the system to make it virtually impossible for anyone outside of the system to get in. BOTH parties like things just the way they are, and they will villify (with the media’s enthusiastic support) any person that tries to call them out on it.

The fact is that we, the people who own this government, have been complacent for decades and allowed the government to do whatever it wanted. This is what has brought us to where we are today and a perfect storm is coming in which the generally conservative general public will clash with the liberal policies of the government.

I, personally, believe that we are long overdue for an overthrow of the government to reset everything back to the way that the Founders intended. The government they outlined in the Constitution is excellent and needs only a few "tweaks" to make it perfect.

41 posted on 09/28/2011 6:25:33 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: GeronL

“These kids are illegals too, just to be clear”

Just to be clear, we are not really talking about “kids” here at all. An 18 year old is an adult.


42 posted on 09/28/2011 6:29:38 AM PDT by ngat
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To: DustyMoment

I’m with you. Our “public servants” have turned the tables on us - we’re going to have to have our own Bastille Day to turn them back around. THEY are not the boss of us!


43 posted on 09/28/2011 6:29:43 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: bobsunshine
“If you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than they’ve been brought there by no fault of their own, I don’t think you have a heart," Perry said...

To give the children of illegal aliens more 'rights' than a child from Ohio is heartless.

“We need to be educating these children, because they will become a drag on our society."

Does this not apply to *every* child in America? Why are the children of illegal aliens special? And I'd also like to point out that these kids don't just get in-state tuition. They're also eligible for grants and scholarships that American children should have. WE ARE PAYING FOR IT. The whole point of this article is, "it's not a big deal. Everybody's doing it." That is a lazy argument.

44 posted on 09/28/2011 6:30:18 AM PDT by Marie (Rock you like a Herman-CAIN!)
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To: silverleaf
So good luck in staying home. The rest of us will choose your next POTUS for you.

McCain, Dole, the Bush boys...you've done such a great job of it in the past I can sit home in peace knowing at least you can't get any worse.

45 posted on 09/28/2011 6:36:55 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: csmusaret
It strikes me as odd that a kid could graduate from a high school in Texas without being a Texas resident.

It's been forced on the states on the courts for many years. You can't deny a child an education even if their parents are illegal. The courts haven't forced anyone to give tuition breaks for college. That's all been the work of local politicians.

46 posted on 09/28/2011 6:43:45 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Yes, because illegal immigration has been gradually institutionalized in the United States by the political establishment in baby steps, against the will of the people. Bush was part of it, Perry continues the tradition.

As to why the legislation comes about, it is rather obvious that many politicians do not really consider themselves first and foremost representatives of the American demos, but rather border-transcending representatives of Liberalism, their first loyalty.


47 posted on 09/28/2011 6:45:56 AM PDT by globelamp
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To: ScottinVA

“The Bush family is comprised of mainly good, patriotic people, but I won’t vote for another one for POTUS.”

I do not consider them patriotic - their first loyalty is to Liberalism, not the American people.


48 posted on 09/28/2011 6:48:19 AM PDT by globelamp
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To: bobsunshine

Thanks for posting this. I live in Pa where only 3 of 67 counties have signed up for Secure Communities. I emailed my state reps and Judiciary committees about this and cc’d the local Tea Party group.


49 posted on 09/28/2011 6:50:17 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: silverleaf

If you are ok with illegal immigration, and take the position that immigration law should not be enforced, then you are not a conservative by any reasonable definition.

As for breaking the cycle, making it more difficult to work and live in the US without legal residency is the key to making illegal immigration a less attractive option.


50 posted on 09/28/2011 6:53:40 AM PDT by globelamp
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To: bobsunshine

Well there goes Rubio.

He should just resign right now. He’s toast. No one will vote for him /S


51 posted on 09/28/2011 7:36:59 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: bobsunshine
In-State Tuition Debate Isn't About In-State Tuition (It's about AMNESTY)
52 posted on 09/28/2011 7:37:38 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Bush called us "vigilantes." Perry calls us "heartless.")
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Allowing a Texas resisent to go to school at in state rates is not a break.


53 posted on 09/28/2011 7:38:09 AM PDT by csmusaret (The only borders Obama has closed is a bookstore.)
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To: csmusaret

resident


54 posted on 09/28/2011 7:40:08 AM PDT by csmusaret (The only borders Obama has closed is a bookstore.)
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To: bobsunshine

Well, the way its going for most of us natural born citizens, we’re now feeling we’re in the United States
‘through no fault of our own” also.


55 posted on 09/28/2011 7:45:47 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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ANYONE

When you register to vote, do you affirm that you ARE a citizen? Or just a resident?

It seems like voter fraud if a person lies on the application, therefore, the applicant would be unable to vote.


56 posted on 09/28/2011 7:57:39 AM PDT by jch10 (I stand with Sarah Palin)
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To: globelamp
Who said I was “OK” with illegals?
Oh sure, I would love “the law” to be enforced. But that ship sailed and it's never coming back.

Educating and systematically assimilating the children of illegals, to prevent them becoming a 2d/3rd generation of resentful, poverty ridden, govt benefit sucking illegals, is hardly a radical idea or a surrender of traditional conservative values.

The gamble our current viable conservative candidates ALL share (with slight variations) is that changing our FAILED laws and FAILED immigration policy, even at a short term cost to the taxpayer, will be offset by the long term gain of more educated workers in our economy, and more US citizens by choice. Maybe even hard working freedom-appreciating conservatives like many Cubans and Vietnamese. And strategically, that will bring more internal security and stability than reinventing the Great Wall of China or Berlin Wall across our southern border.

But hey, if you want to preserve the purity of "reasonable" conservativism to round up these people and deport them, then run for office. Or find a political leader who can persuade the rest of America to elect him. He hasnt emerged yet

57 posted on 09/28/2011 8:37:38 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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Ping!


58 posted on 09/28/2011 8:38:32 AM PDT by HiJinx ("Good government is the concern of all men." ~ Louis L'Amour)
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To: silverleaf; bmwcyle
I will not vote for anyone who supports this. .... bmwcyle

There is no politician running for POTUS of either party who does not or will not support this. Some conservatives may have preconditions or qualifiers, such as requiring that the student have attended in state high school or served in US military, parents have paid state taxes, limiting it to community college and requiring that the illegals register and get on a track to citizenship (all part of the Maryland “Dream Act”). So good luck in staying home. The rest of us will choose your next POTUS for you. .... silverleaf

Rick Perry (and 98% of the Texas Legislature) has supported in-state tuition for young adults that, through no fault of their own, grew up in Texas during their high school years because of something their parents did.

In Texas, young adults that grew up in Texas during their high school years qualify for in-state tuition even their New England father, on Texas' Death Row, moved from Boston to Texas 10 years ago to become a serial killer.

Imagine the 1980's Ronald Reagan (the one who actually amnestied 3 million illegals as President) running in the GOP Primaries today. This is what Michael Reagan has to say about how he would fare in the current Purist climate.

Reagan's son Michael Reagan comments about how his father would have fared in the primaries today: ….. "If you look at my father and you just knew him as governor -- raised taxes, signed an abortion bill, no-fault divorce, and a few other things -- today, the argument against him would come from the Right; not from the Left. ….. He would have trouble getting his own nomination, but yet he ended up being the greatest president in our lifetimes. ….. We need to look at the whole package, the whole picture, everybody, and stop nit-picking ourselves to death."

In the end, however, maybe Perry is not Presidential material simply because, unlike Ronald Reagan, he is not a "Great Communicator".

On stage, Perry seems to live up to his 2.2 college GPA and, worse, it was reported that Perry (maybe because of overconfidence about high poll numbers) declined to engage in any extra debate preparation. As a result, slick talking Mitt Romney (graduated first in his college class at Brigham Young with a 3.97 GPA) is running circles around Perry in the "Thirty Second Sound Bite Game" that pass for "debates" in this day and age.

This week, the media is propping up Hermann Cain as the "Flavor of the Week" but, as Sarah said last night on Greta, the media does that for the sport of tearing that same candidate down two weeks after that.

Cain's Plan 999 will soon be dissected. The dangers of introducing a brand new tax drug (the first Federal Sales Tax ever) to a spending addicted Federal Government will come out. The fact that fixed income/low income seniors and low income workers earning $30,000 per year will get a 9% decrease in purchasing power will come out. The fact that those of us that have put in a lifetime of hard work and frugality will have our life savings next egg DOUBLE TAXED will come out. (Income Taxed once when we saved the money in the 1980's, the 1990's and the 2000's and then taxed AGAIN with a brand new 9% Federal Sales Tax when we spend it in 2014).

After that, Hermann Cain will no longer be the Flavor of the Week and the slick talking liberal with the 3.97 GPA who studied how to play the "Thirty Second Sound Bite Game" will have emerged as the GOP nominee after having played the Conservative Purists like a cheap fiddle.

And, no, Sarah is not coming to the rescue. After last night's interview with Greta, that is becoming more and more evident.

Sep 27, 2011 - 16:41 - Former Alaska governor takes on the media's coverage of GOP candidates, Chris Christie buzz, Herman Cain's success and her own aspirations for 2012

Maybe the Prefect Candidate would be an eloquent Marco Rubio, with more gray hairs and with Perry's 11 years of executive as Governor of a major state.

But, let me check ..... No, it seems that Marco Rubio does not pass the Conservative Purity test either.

59 posted on 09/28/2011 8:41:51 AM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama is Priority Number One)
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To: ScottinVA
The Bush's are mainly good, patriotic people, but I won't vote for another one for POTUS.

We all know Jeb was next in line for POTUS. If he thought he had a chance he'd be in there now----but I think his absence has more to do with GWB's colossal foreign policy flops.

60 posted on 09/28/2011 8:45:12 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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