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When Did the Team Break Up?
The Rush Limbaugh Program ^ | 13 October 2011 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 10/13/2011 4:57:33 PM PDT by COBOL2Java

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RUSH: I hate this. I really hate getting into all this. This is... We all used to be on the same team, do you realize that? I've been doing this for 23 years, and I remember the first ten, we were all on the same team. There wasn't a dime's worth of difference. Now, I don't know... I'll have to think about this. I'll have to think about when the Republican establishment finally gave up and decided they wanted to be Democrat light. I don't know -- or better stated, when did they decide they had to start taking out conservatives? Now, I know they didn't like Reagan. I know you can trace it all back and the Republican establishment always been who they are. I'm not taking that off the table. I'm just telling you that from the standpoint of media, when I started this in 1988, the next ten years, I mean, yeah, there were jealousies.

When Mr. Buckley died, everybody was angling to be the next William F. Buckley to be the leader of the conservative movement, and there were those typical fraternity-type battles. But we were all on the same team. I know the Republican establishment in 1995 hated the government shutdown. But we're not on the same team now it seems. You know, this is what's tough about this. So here's Bill Kristol, who once thanked me for defending him against some attack that had been launched against him at a party at Bill Bennett's house. That would never happen today. There wouldn't be a party at Bill Bennett's house and Kristol wouldn't thank me for anything. Anyway, I'm forced to ask here: How many constituents does Bill Kristol have at the Weekly Standard?

How many readers? What's the reach there? How many constituents do these guys Scott Reed and Vin Weber have, versus the constituents that we know Tea Party has? How many conservatives support Chuck Schumer or read the New York Times? How many conservatives crave being covered by the New York Times? How many conservatives salivate and consider it a career advancement to be quoted in the New York Times? Not many. So essentially, I guess the Ruling Class does not like "the people," and they tell us in this New York Times piece that the people are infantile, puerile, impotent, and can't win. Well, we shall see. They're doing everything they can to force a nominee on the Tea Parties that they don't want. They're trying to limit the presidential choice on the Republican side. We'll see. But I just... I do have nostalgia. I remember, folks, when we were all on the same team.

And now we're not.

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RUSH: Yep, the Republican establishment doing everything it can to force a nominee on 'em they don't want, meaning the Tea Party. They're trying to limit the presidential choice between a hard-leftist, socialist Democrat hell-bent on taking down the country and a fairly liberal Republican who doesn't want to rock the boat. That's what the Republican establishment wants: Just don't rock the boat.

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RUSH: A lot of people as I'm checking the e-mail, are weighing in on, "What was it that caused the breakup of the team?" Everybody's got their own starting point. It's fascinating to listen to some people's opinions on this. I'll share them with you in just a second. But I've got another example media propaganda. Dana Milbank, today's Washington Post: "The Tea Party Loses Another Round -- It was another great day to be a member of the Washington elite," is how Mr. Milbank writes his piece. The article goes on to crow about how the House of Representatives passed three free trade agreements. The piece makes it clear that the Tea Party doesn't like free trade agreements. I thought the Tea Party did. Michele Bachmann has pushed for these free trade agreements.

Anyway, from now on we are going to be getting a steady diet of stories like this, chronicling the demise of the Tea Party's power. I predicted this to you. Everything is coming to pass. Folks, I hate "I told you so's." You do, too. But we predicted this Republican establishment thing, too. We told you they don't like conservatives. (sigh) They don't like rocking the boat. Here's one theory as to when the team broke up: "The morning that George H. W. Bush claimed victory in 1988. Rush, all of the people that you have mentioned in the New York Times piece," Kristol, Scott Reed, Vin Weber] all these names are former colleagues of the gentleman who writes me the note. "The switch from Reagan to Bush carried with it the sense that the revolution was finally over and that the Republican establishment was back.

"It was palpable. They were ecstatic that the eight years of Reagan had come to a close. It wasn't long before Bush White House aides were giving Reagan people grief about wearing Ronald Reagan cufflinks in the White House. The Bush people were saying to the Reagan people, 'This is the Bush White House, not the Reagan White House.' 'This is the Bush White House, not the Reagan White House,' snapped someone I knew well who had been treated very well by the Reagan team and was then a prominent White House Bushie -- and it was said in the New York Times, on the record. There was far more going on than Bush versus Reagan; it was the establishment versus the conservative rank-and-file.

"Rush, you have hit the nail on the head, and by now this sentiment is clearly understood by the Tea Party. This is a considerable undercurrent in the campaign on our side without doubt." Another theory. "Rush: I totally remember the very first time I saw the split between the conservative elites and us. It was over illegal immigration, California Prop 187, 1994. They all scolded us about how wrong we were -- and that if we, the base, were seen as anti-Hispanic, there would be no future for the Republican Party. I remember how shocked we all were at being scolded by our own guys. They all were doing calculations on demogarphics. We were focused on principle. Remember how mad they all got when you emphasized principle over woeful at your CPAC speech?

"Anyway, there might have been earlier cracks but that California passion was one I noticed big time we in the base couldn't believe they be see it our way." That Prop 187, of course, was Californians were simply sick and tired of paying for welfare, health care, education for illegal immigrants and they have to do not to any more -- and a federal judge said, "Hey, you can't do that! That's unconstitutional." So, anyway, it's heating up. One of the reasons I've said that for the Tea Party to ultimately succeed, it's going to have to take over the Republican Party. You can't go third party. Third party's end of the line. You have to take over the party, and the party doesn't exist. Honest to God, can you pronounce the name of the chairman of the Republican National Committee?

You can pronounce it? I can't. Now, I'm deaf, so I've never heard it pronounced. I look at it written, but I can't pronounce it. I don't know how to pronounce it. I don't know what they're doing. I don't know what he's doing. You know, one of the reasons why there is so much attention being focused on this presidential nomination process -- and it's natural that there would be -- is that people instinctively (and perhaps subconsciously) are aware that there is not is any leadership anywhere else and that all of the leadership for what we believe is gonna have to reside in the nominee. Ergo, that's why there is so much angst about it because the establishment is pushing a nominee who is a fairly liberal Republican who has no intention of rocking the boat. That would be Romney.

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RUSH: Mike, St. Louis, great to have you on the program. Hello, sir.

CALLER: Hi, Rush.

RUSH: Hi.

CALLER: You were talked earlier about the Republican establishment and when it took over after the conservative revolution, and when that was.

RUSH: Well, what I said was that, in a media sense, I can remember when I started this program in 1988 -- which was the end of the Reagan year, the beginning of the Bush years -- I was under the impression that all of us on the conservative media were on the same team. Now we're not, and so the question was, "When did split happen?" I've been trying to think about it and other people have been calling in, writing in with their theories on when the split happened and that's what you're calling about, I'm sure.

CALLER: Right. I'm calling about the realization that I had that the Republicans didn't stand for me anymore, and that was when they didn't follow through on the Clinton impeachment. I thought that they should have taken more action there. I just felt that it showed me that all the elites are gonna stick together.

RUSH: Yeah. That was instructive. That was very instructive. That was the establishment circling the wagons.

CALLER: I think they scared themselves, the Republicans.

RUSH: Yeah. They had a case. They had a case, and look what it did to Lindsey Grahamnesty. He was one of the House managers. He was one of the House managers presenting the case in the Senate for the impeachment of Clinton. I I think, in truth, not just that, but don't forget: Newsweek spiked the whole Lewinsky story. If it weren't to the intrepid Matt Drudge that would have never hit the wires; we'd-a never know about it. I think the elites, the inside the Beltway establishment, they were just... That whole Lewinsky thing embarrassed them. They thought it was beneath them, they didn't want to go there -- and I'm talking about on our side -- and they missed the whole point about Clinton committing perjury and what it meant for a chief executive to do that. Even our guys were saying, "Yeah, it's just sex. Come on, he was just lying about sex! Everybody lies about sex."

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To: COBOL2Java

I'll have to think about this. I'll have to think about when the Republican establishment finally gave up and decided they wanted to be Democrat light.

Worth repeating. Even on this forum, some FReepers think we should cast a vote for anyone that can "beat Obama". That rhetoric gets old. I won't vote for Romney regardless of which letter (R or D) follows his name because he is a liberal with a slick haircut and forked tongue.


21 posted on 10/13/2011 5:46:34 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: TADSLOS
I agree that Rush is getting out of touch with many of the Tea Party ideals - Perry doesn't cut it when it comes to conservative values on illegal aliens receiving rights reserved to those who are actual citizens of the United States of America.

Rush introduced me to Perry when he pined about how he wished Perry would consider running for POTUS.

Either Rush had not vetted Perry or he was surprised with his amnesty through education policy for illegals.

In any case, Rush owns his Perry recommendation and while I love Rush, he needs to man up to a mistake made and move on to real conservative.

As for me, I cannot overcome Perry's posture on illegal amnesty. It too big of an issue for our Country to look the other way.

22 posted on 10/13/2011 5:48:07 PM PDT by not2worry (IF YOUR ARE NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM)
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To: COBOL2Java
Once upon a time Rush was pretty much the only voice out there for conservatism, with the rise of the internet and new media there are lots of competing voices. He is not the only one anymore. His power has probably declined quite a lot because of this.

What I find a bit confusing is, didn't rush practically endorse Romney last time around? Here are his exact words taken from Hot Air archives from Feb 5, 2008:

RUSH: I think now, based on the way the campaign has shaken out, that there probably is a candidate on our side who does embody all three legs of the conservative stool, and that’s Romney. The three stools or the three legs of the stool are national security/foreign policy, the social conservatives, and the fiscal conservatives. The social conservatives are the cultural people. The fiscal conservatives are the economic crowd: low taxes, smaller government, get out of the way.

I happen to agree with Rush that Romney is a liberal Republican, but why did he think Mitt "embody all three legs of the conservative stool" in 2008, but not now? Mitt is the same flip flopping chameleon he's always been - only now he is a much better debater and slicker candidate in general.

Also, I did not realize Rush was fully deaf? Thought he had an ear implant that allowed him to hear? No wonder he sounds a little odd to me now on the radio. Does his staff type out all the caller questions and replies to him rapid fire so he can keep conversations going?

23 posted on 10/13/2011 5:49:29 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: omega4179

And if I remember correctly, Rick Santorum defended the re-election of ole Arlen.


24 posted on 10/13/2011 5:49:31 PM PDT by not2worry (IF YOUR ARE NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM)
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To: Longbow1969
Also, I did not realize Rush was fully deaf? Thought he had an ear implant that allowed him to hear? No wonder he sounds a little odd to me now on the radio. Does his staff type out all the caller questions and replies to him rapid fire so he can keep conversations going?

Rush has a cochlear implant, which provides a "sense" of sound to a formerly hearing person.

Cochlear implants can restore hearing in patients suffering deafness due to loss of sensory hair cells in their cochlea. In those patients, they can often restore sufficient hearing to allow unaided understanding of speech in a quiet background, but the restored, electrical hearing is much less rich than natural hearing, and offers only very limited appreciation of musical melody, or speech understanding in noisy environments.

Yes, Rush has a team of captioners who type out everything the caller is saying.

25 posted on 10/13/2011 5:55:26 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: piytar
Expect a smear campaign against Rush from the “right.”

You already have that on FR!


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Do it!

26 posted on 10/13/2011 6:03:57 PM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: not2worry

Perry is a real conservative you are just to blind to see it.

Yes Perry has made mistakes, but that doesn’t disqualify everything else he has done, even Savage has said that Perry is 80% of everything he would want in a candidate, and surely you don’t think Savage is a RINO.

Here’s the deal, Perry IS an insider, but he there are different groups of insiders. Many people seem to think there are only one group of evil insiders, when their are actually several. The currently most powerful group is the one that the Bush’s control, it’s the Northeastern Rockerfeller Republicans that gained power when Reagan left office and HW Bush took over. This group has been running the party since HW Bush and they are the ones people typically think of when they talk about Republican insiders.

But there is another powerful group, lets just call them the conservatives who have been out of power since Reagan but have exerted influence in various ways. Their power base lies mostly in the south and west, Cheney was a part of this group which is why he was brought onto W’s ticket, and Perry,Buckannan, and Gingrich are a part of this group too. They are insiders currently out of power seeking desperately to reaquire it.

There are other insider groups that are much smaller, the religious right insiders like with members like Huckabee.

And then there are the true outsiders like the Tea Party people and the libertarians represented by Ron Paul.

McCain by the way didn’t really belong to ANY of these groups, which is why many insiders considered him to be an outsider AKA a “maverick”


27 posted on 10/13/2011 6:07:09 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

You are more right than you even realize...and ths is also where Rush is wrong. HE says there is no room for a ‘third’ party. The fact of the matter is that the dems and the repubs HAVE merged into one and the same party. That’s ONE party. Now we need a SECOND party and we have it. WE call it TEA.
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Whereas: The RNC and the Republican Party have disregarded Conservative Family Values and Morals to the detriment and exclusion of its Conservative base

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. Such as the acceptance into the Party of, and supporting the elections of, pro-abortion advocates knowing full well that abortion murders human babies in the womb;
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. Such as continuing to espouse the myth that Islam is a “religion of peace” knowing full well that Islam has declared war, by word and by deed, on the entirety of Human Civilization;
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. Such as over-regulating and over-taxing American manufacturing sending millions of jobs out of our own country.

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. Such as taking Christ out of Christmas;
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. Such as disallowing the Holy Bible to be read or taught or even spoken of in government schools, while forcing our children to be indoctrinated into Islam under the guise of “diversity;”

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28 posted on 10/13/2011 6:09:55 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: piytar

NOT from the right...from the left... the republican left. The days of soft selling are over... call them what they are... progressive republican elite.

LLS


29 posted on 10/13/2011 6:26:16 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: COBOL2Java; Kenny Bunk; wardaddy

Well Rush, the ‘team’ was already breaking up before you arrived on the air.

Remember “a Kinder, Gentler America”, the GHW Bush motto that sounded as if Reagan conservatism had been unkind and less than gentle?

That was an early clue that something had changed. Perhaps flattering attention from the Bush White House clouded your vision.

Some who worked with Reagan had been telling us hicks out in the boondocks that things had changed by the start of Reagan’s second term. “Personel is Policy” the Reaganites had warned us, and by 1984 the GOP time-servers and opportunists piled in to push out the weary Reaganites.

But better late than never. Good to see that Rush isn’t going to play waterboy for the GOP establishment. And it’s good to hear him name those who are more dedicated to acquiring political power than they are to the good of the country.


30 posted on 10/13/2011 6:29:54 PM PDT by Pelham (Immigrating America into just one more Latin American country.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Maybe we are not the ones who are blind. Have you seen this?
”[RINO Bill] Kristol told me just after Perry entered the race... Establishment Republicans may prefer Romney to Perry, but their assumption is that either man can be counted on to steer the party back toward the broad center next fall, effectively disarming the Tea Party mutiny.”

This quote is from:

GOP Empire's Plan to Crush Tea Party Rebels

It is a part of this thread from earlier today:

GOP Elite Declares War on TEA Party

Romney may be their favorite, but RINOs have always considered Perry as an acceptable alternative to Romney because they know he can be had.

31 posted on 10/13/2011 7:12:46 PM PDT by Waryone (RINOs, Elites, and Socialists - on the endangered list, soon to become extinct.)
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To: Pelham

I wonder if Rush will put his money where his mouth is.


32 posted on 10/13/2011 7:14:21 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: COBOL2Java

bfl


33 posted on 10/13/2011 7:14:55 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

And then there are the true outsiders like the Tea Party people -—————————————————>

Well, I consider Michael Savage somewhat on the same playing field as Ron Paul. So if he says Perry is 80% of what he is looking for in a POTUS count me out of that school of logic.

I am a Tea Party advocate so I guess I am, as you indicate, a true outsider, (unlike Perry, Bauchman and Gingrich who you indicate are out of power trying to get back into the GOP establishment.)

This is one reason I will not vote for Perry in the Florida Primary. I am really tired of the “good ole boys” and their money running the show.


34 posted on 10/13/2011 7:15:00 PM PDT by not2worry (IF YOUR ARE NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM)
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To: COBOL2Java

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35 posted on 10/13/2011 7:16:34 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Hope & Change - I'm out of hope, and change is all I have left every week | FR Class of 1998 |)
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36 posted on 10/13/2011 7:25:58 PM PDT by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: COBOL2Java
The wag that I am, I guess we just have to apply O'Sullivan's Law to the Republican party, to wit:

Any institution not explicitly conservative will become liberal with the passage of time.

37 posted on 10/13/2011 7:33:28 PM PDT by bkopto (Obama is merely a symptom of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: COBOL2Java
Hey genius, we're not on the same team as these people. They knew it all along. We only found out when we trusted them to support conservatives over democrats and got stabbed in the back repeatedly by them.

I'm not even sure what team you're on, Rush. Aren't you the guy who paid Elton John $1 million to play at your third wedding?

With the size of Limbaugh's audience, he could be a real force. He could single-handedly propel a good conservative to the GOP nomination. That he doesn't do that, but instead plays footsie with the establishment GOP should tell you something.

I've lost about 99.4% of my trust in Rush.
38 posted on 10/13/2011 7:34:56 PM PDT by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: COBOL2Java
One of the reasons I've said that for the Tea Party to ultimately succeed, it's going to have to take over the Republican Party. You can't go third party. Third party's end of the line.

I disagree with Rush on this one. When you are at a point where the RINO's are ready to stand with the Democrats against conservatives, it is time for a new party. The RINO's will never relinquish power, even though they are the minority in the GOP. Starting a new party allows the Tea Party, or whatever it would be called, to bypass the RINO's and, more importantly, allows conservatives to put forth a clear, unified vision for America. The GOP has no message right now because you have two opposing strains that cannot co-exist. The idea that somehow there will be a Kumbaya moment between the RINO's and conservatives is fiction.

39 posted on 10/13/2011 7:35:54 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (Democrat Party = Communist Party)
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To: COBOL2Java

Rush is constantly encouraging the breakup.


40 posted on 10/13/2011 7:38:31 PM PDT by Huck (9-9-9 is a SALES tax AND a VAT -- read about it at Nat'l Review: http://tinyurl.com/3w9ak3a)
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