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MSNBC Analyst Says Occupy Wall Street Needs A 'Kent State' Moment
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Posted on 10/14/2011 4:33:20 AM PDT by Pacothecat

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To: C210N

A congressdroid? Which? I have a vague recollection that someone other than the SC gov made the suggestion.

BTW: I suggest FReepers get involved in their local elections board - to ensure elections happen. Harder to suppress voting when someone makes sure the ballot box is open come he11 or high water.


41 posted on 10/14/2011 6:13:00 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Note the gov’t took over student loans. The O’s $2.4T slush fund (thanks, Republicans!) can take care of that in short order.


42 posted on 10/14/2011 6:14:17 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Pacothecat
Here's a link to an excellent detailed analysis of what really happened at Kent State...

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"the purpose of all this agitation at Kent State was to recruit as much cannon fodder as possible, and then to provoke a "major confrontation." When it came, it would be neither accidental nor spontaneous. It would be exactly what the revolutionaries wanted.

On April 8, 1969, S.D.S. toughs marched through various campus buildings, disrupting classes as planned, chanting "Ho, Ho, Ho chi Minh," and striking campus police officers. One of these hoodlums pleaded nolo contendere to a charge of assault and battery, and drew a fine and jail sentence. The university scheduled a disciplinary hearing for two others on April sixteenth, at which time about one hundred revolutionaries smashed into the Music and Speech building where the hearing was being held, destroyed property, and again attacked police officers. Of the fifty-eight demonstrators arrested, ten were not even students at the school. At the rally preceding the march on the disciplinary hearing, non-student Jim Mellen told the audience as follows: "We're no longer asking you to come and help us make a revolution. We're telling you that the revolution has begun, and the only choice you have to make is which side you're on. And we're also telling you that if you get in the way of the revolution, it's going to run right over you." Mr. Mellen's remarks were included in a liberally distributed S.D.S. pamphlet, which began with a quotation from Mao Tse-tung and the following warning: "The war is on at Kent State University ...."

At a meeting in Williams Hall on April 28, 1969, revolutionary Communist Bernardine Dohrn said that people fighting "oppression" would have to carry weapons for "self defense." On May sixth, at another campus rally, Joyce Cecora called for armed rebellion: "They used guns at Cornell and they got what they wanted. It will come to that here!" And at still another rally on campus on May twenty-second, S.D.S. member Rick Skirvin said this: "We'll start blowing up buildings, we'll start buying guns, we'll do anything to bring this motherf***er down."

Michener quotes a student named Ken Tennant as follows: "With me it goes back to the music festival they held at Fred Fuller Park in September, 1969. Four Weathermen came down from Chicago, with insignia on their bib overalls. They were selling their organization newspaper, and I said, 'I'll buy a copy if you'll tell me what your outfit stands for.' They said, 'We're going to destroy this corrupt American society and build a better.' I asked how, and they explained, 'We've decided to close down schools all over the nation. We're going to start in Chicago. But we have our eye on Kent State, too. It could be ripe.' "

Bear in mind that we have room here to cite only a few examples of the inflammatory agitation and propaganda on the campus at Kent State for almost two years. The evidence establishes—in the words of the revolutionaries—that the goal of S.D.S. was to provoke a violent confrontation in which somebody would be hurt, or even worse.

And the most incredible such example took place on April 10, 1970, when Jerry Rubin spoke on the campus at Kent State. Jerry Rubin is a Communist, of course. We can be absolutely sure of that because he has said so repeatedly. In fact he said he was a Communist when your reporter asked him about it at the Democrat National Convention in Miami in 1972. At that Convention Rubin also said that, when he and his Comrades take over, your reporter will be gassed. At Kent State, Communist Jerry Rubin said this: "The first part of the Yippie program is to kill your parents. And I mean that quite literally, because until you're prepared to kill your parents, you're not ready to change this country. Our parents are our first oppressors."

Your first reaction on reading a thing like this, of course, is that maybe I have taken it out of context. You refuse to believe that anybody would say this. But Rubin really told the students what you just read. It is important to remember that, at the time, Jerry Rubin was a convicted criminal—he had been convicted for leading the turmoil at the 1968 Democrat National Convention in Chicago, where terrorists attacked the police—which raises the question of how such a man could be permitted to address students on a university campus in Ohio.**

Rubin also told the Kent State students to burn down the suburbs. "The American school system will be ended in two years," he explained. "We are going to bring it down. Quit being students. Become criminals. We have to disrupt every institution and break every law. We should have more laws so we can break them, too. Everybody should have their own law to break." As for the campus itself, Comrade Rubin told the students to ignore their professors, and to "burn all the books. It's quiet here now but things are going to start again."

The campus was now ready. Almost two years of intensive Communist propaganda had their effect. A sufficient number of students was willing to serve as cannon fodder for the revolutionary "cause." The Communists needed only an excuse to provoke their "major confrontation." Three weeks later they got their excuse.

MUCH MORE AT LINK:

http://25thaviation.org/facts/id960.htm

43 posted on 10/14/2011 6:15:46 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Pacothecat
From the same article I just linked to...

"...it is important to quote at length from the state grand jury report on the affair: "Fifty-eight Guardsmen were injured by rocks and other objects hurled at them as they moved across the 'Commons' to Taylor Hall Hill and down to the practice football field, and were then forced to retreat .... it is clear that from the time the Guard reached the practice football field, they were on the defensive and had every reason to be concerned for their own welfare .... The circumstances present at that time indicate that 74 men surrounded by several hundred hostile rioters were forced to retreat back up the hill toward Taylor Hall under a constant barrage of rocks and other flying objects, accompanied by a constant flow of obscenities and chants such as 'Kill, Kill, Kill.' Photographic evidence has established, beyond any doubt, that as the National Guardsmen approached the top of the hill adjacent to Taylor Hall, a large segment of the crowd surged up the hill, led by smaller groups of agitators approaching to within short distances of the rear ranks of the Guardsmen.

"The testimony of the students and Guardsmen is clear that several members of the Guard were knocked to the ground or to their knees by the force of the objects thrown at them. ..."

44 posted on 10/14/2011 6:16:42 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: John W

Yeah, it sounds like a lot of fun until you find you might be putting your life on the line.


45 posted on 10/14/2011 6:20:12 AM PDT by tiki
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To: Pacothecat

She obviously has forgotten that Kent State caused THE END of the protests.

Understanding history is not one of the strong points of the Leftist movement. Come to think of it, understanding itself is not one of their strong points.


46 posted on 10/14/2011 6:34:03 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Pacothecat
Big difference...they no longer control the flow of information the way they did then.
47 posted on 10/14/2011 6:37:53 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: ctdonath2

No, you are correct... I was thinking of the SC Gov, but somehow wrote congresscritter... my bad.


48 posted on 10/14/2011 6:40:53 AM PDT by C210N
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To: Pacothecat

I think the guy was just saying the movement needs a catchy protest song - not that the movement needs dead protestors. But then again I could be wrong.

But if a song he wants, I did start the words for one. Crosby, Stills, and Nash - feel free to use it.

More soldiers and Cain is coming,
We’re finally had a bath.
This Fall I hear the FOX News,
We move one inch we loose.

Gotta get down to it
The Rich on the menu today
Should have ate them long ago.
What if we spew here
Who will clean up the ground
And where do we pee when we go?


49 posted on 10/14/2011 6:48:20 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo

All we are saying...

...is give fleas a chance


50 posted on 10/14/2011 6:51:02 AM PDT by cripplecreek (ALCS/NLCS playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2789907/posts)
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To: Pacothecat

I’m listening to MSNBC through Ameritrade. What a bunch of freaking leftist bastards.


51 posted on 10/14/2011 7:07:17 AM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: vanilla swirl

Who?


52 posted on 10/14/2011 7:36:38 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Pacothecat

Children die, rating hit the sky...


53 posted on 10/14/2011 7:38:48 AM PDT by GOPJ (Occupy Wall Street Zombies Lastest Chant: 'You Can Have Sex With Animals')
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To: Pacothecat
Donny Deutsch . . . Hopes For A 'Kent State' Type Moment So The Occupy Wall Street Movement Can Really Resonate With Yhe American People

He should call Eric Holder to see if they could gather any remaining 'Fast and Furious' weapons and turn them over to the FALN terrorists he helped pardon. They can do the deed for you, Donny.

54 posted on 10/14/2011 7:59:28 AM PDT by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: C210N

It is really the Gov. of NC, Bev Prudue let’s not forget this Ms. Prudue is a DEM.


55 posted on 10/14/2011 8:05:09 AM PDT by devildognc (We've lasted through the preliminary bouts; the main event is coming up. But it's not for sissies.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

As I remember Kent State lost to the National guard 2 to nothing.


56 posted on 10/14/2011 8:07:53 AM PDT by duckln
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To: ETL
...it is important to quote at length from the state grand jury report on the affair: "Fifty-eight Guardsmen were injured by rocks and other objects hurled at them

A couple of years after Kent, I talked with a Marine EOD guy who helped clean up. He said they were picking up 78 RPM vinyl records that had double-edged razorblades taped to the edges. The protesters were skimming them like Frisbees at the troops.

57 posted on 10/14/2011 11:17:37 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Pacothecat

Radical Son by David Horowitz goes into detail on the left’s ploy of radicalizing students by using them unwitingly as cannon fodder “victims” with the police. Charlie Manson has nothing on Leftists.


58 posted on 10/14/2011 12:06:19 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Travis McGee; csmusaret
The movement ended when the draft ended. A fear of fighting in Vietnam led to the movement. Without the draft, they didn’t care.

You are sooo correct. Except for a few hard core red diaper babies, the anti war movement was more about the cowardly sons of upper and middle class saving their own ass preventing the deaths of any Vietnamese people.

Oh and banging hippies.

Which is why the OWS will NEVER have the numbers of the cry baby boomers.
59 posted on 10/14/2011 9:16:56 PM PDT by RedMonqey (A politician's integrity is usually only as strong as his poll numbers.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Pacothecat.
60 posted on 10/30/2011 3:42:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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