Posted on 10/18/2011 9:06:03 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
“bailouts and banks and unscrupulous trading of these fraudulent securities ... the government’s role in the mess”
Those are the only things I’ve seen that we have in common with them. We shouldn’t worry about them. As US Rep. “Toots” Wasserman put it, “We (Democrats) own this economy.” So the Democrats own it and the `Occupiers.’
Obama & Co. are already trying create some sound bites for the election next year in their inimitable, cynical manner: “Why, we tried to pass a jobs bill but the GOP stopped us...”
The middle public is smarter than that and won’t buy it. Obama spent trillions, wrecked our credit rating and all we have to show for it is record unemployment, debt, a prolonged recession, dozens of failed programs and cabinet appointees, a metastasizing federal government replete with `Czars’ and their staffs, and a schizophrenic stock market to boot.
Let’s just stay out of it, attempt to mitigate damages as we can, and to paraphrase 0, just allow him to `continue digging his way out of the hole.’
ok, sorry. It was Ayers, not Soros. Soros is suppying the finances.
Blame that idiot Bloomy, for allowing these disgusting poltroons to get away with this MARXIST circus. If he had ( and he could have !) stopped this on the first day, that would have been the end of it.
Only 1/3 of these creatures voted ( for Obama, of course; though there are Paulinistas there,so maybe they voted for that idiot )in '08.
A bit more than 1/3 want this to turn violent.
Just about 99.9999999999% haven't a clue about anything at all; just read the posts to their site, that was on a thread here earlier today.
The anti-Semitism is RAMPANT!
These are adults and almost adults, who are acting like spoilt 2 year olds!
And then there is the Soros money and Union money and thugs and the old hippies/Yippies/terrorists who are kinda steering it all!
If every single one of them and those who support them, were all to die tomorrow, at high noon, it wouldn't matter one whit, to the future of this nation.....except to make it better!
The filthy goons hate free enterprise and our American capitalist system -- the engine that creates economic prosperity.
These tools of big labor are so stuck on stupid that the OWS cretins would never be able to comprehend this map and why right to work means individual liberty:
The Occupypublicparks hippie/hipster protest is nothing that any real conservative could ever identify with, support or make common cause with.
The media coverage tries to mask the vermin that are really attending these things. The “occupants” are hard core leftists and lazy kids out for a street party. The leaders are committed anti-capitalists who are the enemy of everything free market conservatives stand for.
The Democrats are trying to promote this stuff as a means of changing the subject. If the election of 2012 is about debt, deficits and the failure of government, Obama and his party will likely lose. If they can change the debate and focus on banks and millionaires, they have a better chance.
If you are an actual conservative person, you should not be sympathetic to this “occupy” garbage. There is absolutely nothing positive or good about these people. Their message and the protesters themselves stink.
Three words: high pressure firehoses.
Sept 17 was the first day.
It is being led by professional agitators who, while appearing to be the same as the masses, are:
somewhat, or often, much older
well trained in group facilitation
capable of spotting the dissenter
capable of deflecting any cognitive dissonance
capable of turning the groups against any competing grass roots leader
connected in some way to the sources of support, such as unions or college professors.
The memes were implanted in university, on TV, in the online leftist media, music, movies. The group is being given free reign in regard to sex, drugs, hygiene, loss of inhibition in order to allow them to bond. Some of the behavior, such as elimination in public, will evoke shame, so if *everyone does it*, the shame is overridden and replaced with group cohesion.
I have already read at least one article suggesting the Tea Party join up with Occupy. If I see two more, I may decide to call it a meme. If I see more than two, I will suspect political machinations. Note that there have also been many instances of media attempting to conflate the two movements.
At some point, the Occupiers will be on their last nerve and the presence of anyone evocative of *the other* will become a flash point for some of those with lower thresholds for frustration. The puppet masters want this to happen and the media will dutifully blame it on the non-Occupier. But it will take time. The longer these occupations go on without resolution, the higher the frustration level will become. Every set back, be it bad weather, thefts, sexual assaults, will have more impact as the Occupiers get more tired, uncomfortable and, more importantly, bored.
Just because they have hit on one or two points that resonate across ideological lines does not mean they can be turned to our interests. Those organizers will spot any attempt that does not resonate with their own goals and can easily turn the masses against someone, if they wish. Watch the livestream with the sound off. There are always several older guys on the perimeter. They are obviously paying attention and have acute situational awareness. They actually herd the larger group where they want, such as towards any media. Many of those speaking from the platform, usually the first speaker and always with a loudspeaker, are of this type.
It is best, IMO, for this to play out. America is seeing something they need to see and most Americans are drawing the correct conclusions. The Tea Party needs to stay away.
I also think the LEO are aware of all the above and are being very careful not to become the object of a mob flashpoint. Besides the usual leftist connections and strategy, most urban politicians are also leery of mob psychology and that is a part of why they are facilitating the camp outs. If there is an incident, much better for our side if it is against an urban politico.
OWS? I’m sorry, why occupy Wall Street. It should be occupy congress, occupy the IRS, occupy the HHS, occupy the department of education... It is government that is the problem here. Every single issue that you might agree with the OWS protesters with started with the feds. Federal insurance - hey, it’s all covered, who cares if the bank goes and does stupid things time and time again. Federal regulations - why pay attention to what the bank’s doing? The feds are watching... Federal mandates - Oh, well, sure, I guess they should make loans to people who can’t pay them, umm..right? Federal mortgage loans... It’s good to invest in America, um, what do you mean they’re paying more than the loan value?
Bailouts! Came from congress and were singed by the president after members of the cabinet urged for them, after they failed to ‘regulate’ the companies involved to ensure they stay solvent. You had one of the biggest thefts in history, the stealing of WAMU and all the assets, again, by federal mandate.
And you have the continued looting by federal employees of the public dollar through high salaries, extensive benefits, and grossly generous retirements.
And look who’s coming to the OWS party - teacher unions, transit unions, other public and private employee unions, all eager to take even more of the public dollar, since the taxpayers are becoming less and less interested in permitting the borrowing of more money to loot. They’ve just picked a nice juicy target - even though if the federal government taxed them all for every penny of profit, it still wouldn’t cover THIS YEAR’s budget deficit.
Yeah, sorry, no sale. I have nothing in common with the OWS communists. They may say things I might agree with, but what they mean is ‘gimme, gimme, gimme.’
We had been doing touristy stuff on a beautiful Indian-summer day - Statue of Liberty/Ellis Island. We were walking up Broadway from Battery Park in the late afternoon, headed for some cocktails and dinner and they came streaming down the sidewalk, flanked by police, waving signs and chanting. (We were taunting them - FReeping them as it were - yelling things like "Big Oil! Big Oil! Exxon-Mobil! Halliburton!" and some of the cops were laughing. LOL)
Zuccotti Park is right on Broadway - not a very big park at all.
I'm really glad we happened upon all of that or we'd never have known about the generators or their sales kiosks. We wouldn't have known about the Starbucks and McDonald's right across the street that are jammed with those people, either.
They're against capitalism and consumerism??? Riiiiight.
The media sure isn't showing or saying anything about any of that.
More like last March...Steven Lerner of SEIU fame and others have been planning this for quite a while....and the WH is in on it...
I see OWS as an attempt to blame successful businesses for our problems, as opposed to horrible governmental economic policy.
It’s a blame shift, or an attempted one. Wall Street is not the problem in America. Business is not the problem. A corrupt socialist economic crony economic system is the problem, and it is our FEDERAL GOVERNMENT who is to blame. Finally, we are to blame, we elected these clowns.
While I do share the offense at the bank bailouts, it was Obama who did the huge portion of that. All the banks did was take them (and some have paid it back). I also took offense at the auto bailouts, pure communism. But the government played the key role in that.
My perception from news coverage and YouTube content is that the OWS goons are extremely foul-mouthed and take the Name of Our Lord and Savior in vain with abandon. They seem dirty, crude and vulgar. I can't help but contrast that unruly mob of Ayers/Soros-backed atheistic thugs with the respectful, Christian behavior of Tea Party patriots.
That's my take from afar. Since you were there, is my reading of these creeps on target?
Many have disagreed. Just can the “zot” sh!t is all I’m sayin’. He ain’t no nooB.
Dirty, yes. :-)
We were quite surprised that they were polite and friendly with us and we had made it clear that we weren't supporters.
We FReeped A.N.S.W.E.R. and other similar scummy groups in Houston back in early '03 just before Operation Iraqi Freedom and those crowds were thuggy, rude and obnoxious.
I'm sure some of the OWS people are like that as well, but we were somewhat surprised that they were respectful of us.
Maybe it's because it was late in the day and the weed was flowing or maybe it was the very noticeable police presence (the cops we met there were awesome), but the Wall Street hippies were quite well-behaved while we were there.
But then again, I've heard that a certain Austrian Corporal was quite charming with pretty ladies, children and dogs. :-)
Seriesly, thanks for the response and the on-the-scene report, Allegra.
LOL - we didn't fall for any of that for a minute.
Several times, they invited us to "join" them (as they were doing with a lot of people in the area.)
That was never gonna happen. :-)
Having the Tea Party combine or identify with the OWS movement is the exact goal they hope to achieve. That would give big government control of the revolution, which would then turn it into the counter revolution. All the Tea Parties goals would be slowly abandoned.
That is why Obama and Pelosi support the OWS movement. They know they can control the movement. Completely. Will the OWS movement ever publicly denounce Obama ?
And now look what just happened. As if right on cue. Chris Christie thinks the OWS movement and the Tea Party have a lot in common. That is the exact role of the typical RINO. To get conservatives to work against their own interests.
Occupy Portland had generators, too, when I visited. I was a little worried for them when the rain set in. Water and 120VAC don’t mix.
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