Posted on 10/19/2011 9:19:20 AM PDT by sickoflibs
Thanks, a Perry-bot was claiming that Cain said a flat sales tax like Cain’s = a VAT so I found this to refute that.
The 999 plan isn’t a VAT, it isn’t even similar to a VAT. Cain has stayed consistent.
Ignore my last post.... I’ve had to say that so often here it is almost rote.
This proves that Cain is consistent with his position now AND then April 2010 on taxes.
No need to start your post with a personal insult to the OP.
Your point is the very point of the OP’s post.
This article is posted in refutation of that ridiculous thread by Polybius claiming Cain was for a VAT.
Paul hasn't gotten anything significant passed in his entire career. I think the only bills he's authored that were passed were simple statements (like awarding some congressional medal to a baseball player in his district). Phil Gramm once said Paul's bills were so poorly written and lacked any detail as to how, they couldn't even move in committee.
Seems the tea party may be losing momentum after months of body blows by the media and politicians on both sides of the aisle.
This government must be brought under control and there is no way on God’s green earth that can be done if they are given even more money to waste.
If we do not starve fedzilla it will only continue to consume much more than we can afford.
When ALL foreign aid is eliminated, a huge reduction in our handouts to the UN is stopped, all our troops are returned from Germany, Japan, S. Korea and any place which is currently not a hot war, and not a single penny to anyone here who is not in the country legally... Then, and only then, start looking at domestic spending but still no more taxes PERIOD.
I disagree that whether or not the cost of labor is deducted has anything to do with whether a tax is a VAT.
A VAT is literally a “value-added tax.” What it seeks to tax is the “value added” at each step of the process of bringing an item to market.
This, of course, not only adds a tax at every step of the way, it opens the process to political corruption because someone, out-of-sight, of course, gets to define what is “value” at every step of the process and then define when “value” is “added” and then define how to measure how much “value” was “added.”
It really doesn’t have anything to do with the cost of labor.
Further, I think those who claim the NRST is a VAT are not thinking at the level of sophistication you are anyway. They just see a tax on consumer goods and think “VAT.”
You are the third one to think I didnt read the article based on the character limited title. Anyone reading this will understand Cain said the VAT and national single level sales taxes were completely different back then as now.
This is a good thread and title. It will attract some of the people who have been misinformed about Cain, they might learn something and switch over.
As an aside, for those who claim one of the drawbacks of Herman Cain having not held political office is the lack of a record to review, this man in fact has a huge written record, not just of votes and such, but of his actual, substantive thinking and analysis on the issues of the day.
I’d take that any day or a political attendance record.
That was nice of you to handle it that way. Appreciate the civility.
Now, let’s get back to that “lineman’s push” I’ve been talking about.
That is inaccurate on so many levels.
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I guessed you missed all the brouhaha about Cain supporting a VAT that was based on a false reading of an earlier article than his.
As for searching through the Cain archives, it’s a beautiful thing. Seeing a man who believes what he believes, then and now, is a beautiful thing.
It adds to the debate immeasurably.
A sign of the intensity of the debate. Which is a good thing (so long as people are nice about when they realize they didn’t read enough before posting).
I’m personally very happy with the degree of analysis going on re 999.
Bingo as I challenged it then/there with a link to this and pinged you and you thanked me. That whole post was so edited and excerpted it smelled like crap a mile away.
This is here to be used as needed. Like I said, I cant sell his bill for him like he has the power to but I can correct intentional misinformation.
I don’t see the Tea Party losing momentum at all.
The fact that we are having a huge and robust debate on a major tax reform proposal says it all.
When Steve Forbes ran on the Flat Tax years ago, he couldn’t even get conservatives all that excited.
The time is now! And this thing is picking up steam, not losing it!
Sorry, FRiend.
YOU made the statement.
YOU defend it with citations.
Thanks.
The 9-9-9 plan eliminates all hidden taxes. What you see is what you get. We cureently have all kinds of hidden taxes that are built into the cost of goods. We actually have what resembles several VAT taxes but implementation of 9-9-9 would kill those taxes in liu of visible taxes that all can comprehend. I ran my numbers last night and I would pay $8300 less federal tax/year under 9-9-9 than I pay right now. And I assumed that I buy 100% new goods, nothing used. Find a calculator and run your numbers. You might be surprised.
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