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Posted on 10/20/2011 6:40:19 PM PDT by wmfights
In real life, the enemy is Obama. On FR, the enemy has been Perry.
I am a Cain supporter. I just can’t stand people trashing one candidate while giving a pass to another candidate who has the same position.
I’ve seen them both and read the transcripts. It is clear he is 100% pro-life and said so.
He has put millions of his own dollars into pro-life causes, he has always had a strong pro-life position that was never questioned until now.
This is preposterous. Here’s the transcript of the Morgan/Cain conversation:
http://www.salon.com/2011/10/20/herman_cains_self_inflicted_abortion_problem/singleton/
Cain’s “choice” comment was NOT referring to ABORTION, but rather whether a victim of rape should rear the child.
MORGAN: But you’ve had children, grandchildren. If one of your female children, grandchildren was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?
CAIN: You’re mixing two things here, Piers?
MORGAN: Why?
CAIN: You’re mixing –
MORGAN: That’s what it comes down to.
CAIN: No, it comes down to it’s not the government’s role or anybody else’s role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you’re not talking about that big a number. So what I’m saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make.
I posted the very words to you. Sorry the truth interferes with your mindless bot worship of St Perry.
So don’t put your hands over your ears and scream “no=no-no” because the facts do not validate your emotionally hysterically postings.
And in other place "Thou who says thou shalt not steal, do you steal? thou who says thou shalt not covet. Do you commit sacrilege?"
Once again I walk by faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ, how he died for my sins was buried and rose again the 3rd day and nailed those commandments to the cross. I am a son and the 10 does not apply to me. It applies to those who do not walk by faith. I walk by faith. "the Law is not made for a righteous man but for the ungodly"
Is the law for you? you can be sure you are not Godly because "the man who lives by them will be judged by them" and "if you offend in one you offend in all" and "who art thou oh man who judges, for when you judge you condemn yourself"
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Exactly right. And the BTW part of your comment is the real kicker.
“I don’t even agree with exceptions for rape, life of the mother”
I’m really not trying to argue, just sincerely interested in your thoughts about the ‘life of the mother’ part. Are you saying it’s in God’s hands and not intervene?
OH please, I've been a strong defender of Perry but I've never seen him being an enemy of this site. Every candidate will have rabid opponents (just like we are seeing here with people 'bearing false witness' against Cain on this vital issue). BUT, overall, this site has been pretty friendly to him. The only two candidates on our side who I really think the site is an enemy of (and rightly so) are Romeny and Paul.
BUT, overall, this site has been pretty friendly to him...
All I can say is, wow. We clearly are on two different sites.
Piers himself changed the topic from killing babies to bringing up babies.
Whatever point you or the news source you are citing thinks, those are the words.
They said Piers was a fairly decent interviewer but occasionally fell into fits of madness in mid-sentence. People laughed at the idea, but there it is ~ Piers is a nut case. He can't keep on topic more than 10 seconds.
I remember conservatives tearing Perry down. I remember them doing it because he wasn’t their favored candidate. Now I’m supposed to give Cain a pass when cain couldn’t even abide to let the rock story go? Like hell I will. There are plenty of Democrats who claim to be pro-life. There are plenty of Democrats who claim to be good catholics. When it comes to policy they are pro-choice. I don’t know what cain really is. All I know is he is mouthing the same rhetoric those pro choice democarts do. If I had to posit a guess I’d say he may be pro-life but he is trying to avoid taking a position on anything would explain why he keeps backtracking on what he says from one interview to the next without really clearing up any of his positions.
It's you and yours who are incredibly defensive and you wont even watch the interview. Insane.
You are actually agreeing with him. Look at Morgan’s question, he was asking about ‘bringing the baby up’, not aborting the baby.
People are being manipulated.. they are being told what was said in the headline or first sentence of the article, not actually digging in and logically reading what was said.
Look at it again from a old FReeper media skeptic like we used to have here. What specifically did Morgan ask, what did Cain respond? (not what we are told he asked and what we are told he responded to)..
Focus only on the parenthetical (actual quotes for those in Rio Linda), not the ‘editorialized’ comments in between.
That cannot be construed other than as a first step in a new discussion about adoption.
You do not, as it turns out, BRING UP dead fetuses.
Bottom line...Cain is PERSONALLY pro-life. He is speaking only for himself. In the end, he’s really saying he is pro-choice.
He's been doing a pretty good job of speaking this week. The two people with foot in mouth disease this week seem to be Romney and Cain.
Besides I disagree with the premise. He doesn't struggle with speaking in other settings only group debates. And he does seem to be improving. 6 months from now I don't think his debate skills would be a liability if he continued on this trajectory.
No, I’m saying that the child should not be sacrificed in a worrysome situation. Certainly drastic measures, including ending the pregnancy, might be medically necessary. But even then, the premature child should be given every chance to survive.
The “life of the mother” excuse has given doctors license to sign-off on elective abortion in less than critical cases, with no intent to let the child live.
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