At least I know where Gov. Perry stands.
Cain’s “fatal” flaw is that he actually answers question honestly.
He was asked about whether a rape victim should be forced to “keep” her baby. It was implicitly about adoption, and a poorly worded question.
It was quite clear to me. He is against abortion and will install Judges that will enable an overturn of Roe v Wade, but he will not be a king and impose his personal choice on any individual. He is against it in all cases and has a history of a pro-life activist. That is a constitutional conservative voicing his love of individual liberty. No one in America orders free men or commands them. The Libs are trying to trip him with gotcha questions to make it appear confusing just as they are with the 9-9-9.
"I believe that life begins at conception. And abortion under no circumstances," Cain said. Morgan asked Cain if that meant he felt the procedure was impermissible in cases of rape and incest, which many anti-abortion activists and conservatives carve out exceptions for. Cain reiterated that there were "no circumstances" under which he supported abortion. "If one of your female children, grandchildren was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?" Morgan asked. Cain said that Morgan was "mixing" questions, but then replied: "No, it comes down to it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you're not talking about that big a number. So what I'm saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue."
Morgan had asked a new question regarding 'bring her up as your own'- Cain was responding to raising the child (versus giving up for adoption). People are incorrectly responding to that as if he was saying if abortion should be legal.
There is no one on Free Republic more anti-abortion than me. I don’t even agree with exceptions for rape, life of the mother, etc.
That said, government cannot force people to live honorably.
Our societal rot cannot be solved by Washington, even by good leaders in office. Abortion, as well as immoral behavior of all other kinds, grows from hearts full of evil in a society that not only condones but applauds it.
Cain is absolutely correct that free people make choices to behave badly. Washington cannot help that.
We’ve let our society deteriorate to the point that we are now in a miserable and godless time.
The answer is to change hearts. The question is whether it is too late.
Bearing False Witness is still a sin.
What is being reported here , and what was actually said by Cain, are two completely different things.
"I believe that life begins at conception. And abortion under no circumstances," Cain said. Morgan asked Cain if that meant he felt the procedure was impermissible in cases of rape and incest, which many anti-abortion activists and conservatives carve out exceptions for.
Cain reiterated that there were "no circumstances" under which he supported abortion. "If one of your female children, grandchildren was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own??"
Morgan asked. Cain said that Morgan was "mixing" questions, but then replied: "No, it comes down to it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you're not talking about that big a number. So what I'm saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue."
I don't know how he could make it any clearer then this.
People around here who are emotionally tied to other candidates in the campaign need to keep in mind the 9th Commandment is not a suggestion. Bearing false witness is still a sin.
Cain says life begins at conception and he opposes abortion. So does John Kerry! But Kerry also supports abortion rights through government. Sounds like Cain believes government has no role in the abortion issue.
Which is it, Herman?
Cain is 1005 PRO LIFE and says life begins at conception on Hannity interview today - good enough for me
If you do not like being exposed as liars, quit lying.
Thanks for the Perry-bot pretzel logic.
CAIN: I believe that life begins at conception. And abortion under no circumstances. And here’s why —
MORGAN: No circumstances?
CAIN: No circumstances.
MORGAN: Because many of your fellow candidates — some of them qualify that.
CAIN: They qualify but —
MORGAN: Rape and incest.
CAIN: Rape and incest. Cain is specifically rejecting exceptions to anti-abortion laws that other candidates have put forth allowing abortion in cases of rape and incest.
MORGAN: Are you honestly saying — again, it’s a tricky question, I know.
CAIN: Ask the tricky question.
MORGAN: But you’ve had children, grandchildren. If one of your female children, grand children was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?
CAIN: You’re mixing two things here, Piers?
MORGAN: Why?
CAIN: You’re mixing —
MORGAN: That’s what it comes down to.
CAIN: No, it comes down to it’s not the government’s role or anybody else’s role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you’re not talking about that big a number. So what I’m saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make.
Cain clearly states he is anti abortion.
Cain then answers Morgan's stupid question about a mother "BRINGING UP" a baby.
Guess it’s me but someone’s stand on abortion, their religious views etc are personal issues and I really don’t give a rats ass about what one candidate or the other thinks about it.
You can say that, “defines” the person and I still don’t care because it’s a personal opinion. My main concern for any presidential candidate is reducing the size of and getting government out my life. I want someone who believes in and will defend the Constitution 100%, is a fiscal conservative, supports a strong military, protects our borders and will eliminate the IRS, NEA, EPA and any federal administration that is useless.. which is most of them.
If I find a candidate that does that, then the rest will probably fall in line inclduing any Supreme Court potential nominees. If they do the above but are pro-choice, then I’ll settle for that flaw because I’m looking for the greater good no a single stance on a single issue. There is no perfect candidate and in reality abortion, relgious issues etc should be settled at the state level NOT the federal level, it’s not their purview. The federal government has limitations..
Why focus on who is the most pure? It makes more sense to focus on who is the most effective at curtailing abortions. If some purist candidate wins and can't get Thing One accomplished, then what good is he?
I posted the very words to you. Sorry the truth interferes with your mindless bot worship of St Perry.
So don’t put your hands over your ears and scream “no=no-no” because the facts do not validate your emotionally hysterically postings.
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Piers himself changed the topic from killing babies to bringing up babies.
Whatever point you or the news source you are citing thinks, those are the words.
They said Piers was a fairly decent interviewer but occasionally fell into fits of madness in mid-sentence. People laughed at the idea, but there it is ~ Piers is a nut case. He can't keep on topic more than 10 seconds.
That we have to do semantical gymnastics to figure out where he really stands on this issue should trouble everyone, What we need to hear is something like this:
Cain: “I will appoint pro-life justices to the Supreme Court. We’ve lost our moral compass with regard to human life, and I will use the power of my presidency to set us on the right course.”
That’s all he needs to say. Plain and simple.
But you can nullify executive orders that were issued to do things like provide abortions on military bases and things.
While not yet fatal, when considered in the context cited above and warned about in that vanity, these gaffes increasingly betray a weakness in the candidacy of Herman Cain which could be fatal if he carries it into the general election campaign as the nominee.
