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Penn State AD Tim Curley, VP Gary Schultz will step down after Jerry Sandusky sex abuse scandal
New York Daily News ^ | 12/7/2011 | Michael O'Keeffe

Posted on 11/06/2011 10:18:46 PM PST by Nextrush

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To: Erik Latranyi
Try this one: Paterno follows up after the fact with Curley and Shultz and they tell him the story was false and made up.

Except that everyone has testified to the opposite.

101 posted on 11/07/2011 10:57:20 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: ken5050

I was having lunch. Missed it.


102 posted on 11/07/2011 10:58:01 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: mewzilla; abb
Gricar was mentioned in the grand jury report.

I am familiar with the Gricar disappearance as it happened 15 miles from my house.

His car was found, but no car keys.

There were cigarette ashes in the car and he never allowed anyone to smoke in his car. He was also meticulously clean.

His laptop was found in the river without the hard drive. The drive was later found nearby but was severely damaged and could not be read. I have read that his home computer was used to conduct searches for how to destroy a hard drive.

The 1998 case against Sandusky was sound and it was out-of-character for Gricar to drop the case. Gricar was not afraid of taking on the powers-that-be.

I feel there is a connection here.

103 posted on 11/07/2011 11:01:24 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I like the content of his character)
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To: Nextrush
If we have eight boys that the authorities know about, its quite possible Sandusky did this with other boys.

True. He obviously had access to a large number of kids through his Second Mile organization, going all the way back to '77. And for every time a man gets caught speeding, there's probably at least dozen other times he could have been caught but wasn't. I hope that wasn't the case here but i wouldn't bet against it.

Doing it in the locker rooms at Penn State is no different than what men often do in public restrooms and parks with other men.

There's one very big difference though. A guy getting caught with another guy is nothing compared to what'll happen to someone caught doing what Sandusky was accused of doing. You get caught doing that and you're going to be in a living Hell for the rest of your life. Your reputation totally destroyed. Your relationships with friends and family most likely completely severed. Your life constantly in danger by fellow inmates wanting to inflict a painful death upon you for what you did. That is, if you survive how the witness to your act may have responded.

Therefore a man engaging with another man in a public place is not exposing himself to the same risk. Not by a long shot. Why then did Sandusky keep putting himself seemingly in jeopardy, why keep doing his horrible deeds in places where a janitor or a GA could stumble upon him in the act? Maybe sometimes there wasn't any safer place that he could find....or maybe there was just enough of "Jekyll" remaining that wanted "Hyde" to be caught so he wouldn't do more harm, thus pushing him to become more and more reckless and more and more likely to get caught.

104 posted on 11/07/2011 11:07:59 AM PST by Humbug
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To: Erik Latranyi; mewzilla

The timelines do coincide. It could be that Gricar figured things out, got lots of heat from the Power Structure (whoever that may be), couldn’t handle it, and decided to check out and/or disappear.


105 posted on 11/07/2011 11:07:59 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: NewinTexsas
Except that everyone has testified to the opposite.

No. Curley and Shultz lied to the grand jury. Why would they not lie to Paterno when he asks what happened?

106 posted on 11/07/2011 11:13:18 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I like the content of his character)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Curious. I read that he was to retire very shortly after his disappearance. Were they possibly afraid he might have something to say after he retired?


107 posted on 11/07/2011 11:13:24 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Erik Latranyi

PA State Police head says (paraphrased) that he has never seen anything like this event and it not being reported to the police. He stated that it goes right to the culture of PSU that there would be numerous noted incidents and people at PSU were afraid to properly report them to police. He referenced the 1998, 2000 and 2002 events where Sandusky was observed molesting young boys in the locker room.


108 posted on 11/07/2011 11:17:19 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas
Curious. I read that he was to retire very shortly after his disappearance. Were they possibly afraid he might have something to say after he retired?

Yes, he announced his retirement. Therefore, it does not make sense that he would just walk away or commit suicide.

109 posted on 11/07/2011 11:19:01 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: NewinTexsas
PA State Police head says (paraphrased) that he has never seen anything like this event and it not being reported to the police. He stated that it goes right to the culture of PSU that there would be numerous noted incidents and people at PSU were afraid to properly report them to police. He referenced the 1998, 2000 and 2002 events where Sandusky was observed molesting young boys in the locker room.

Yes, it is clear that Curley and Schultz lied to the grand jury to protect Sandusky. It does not make sense except they were completely arrogant.

We all know academia covers for its own. Ward Churchill comes to mind.

Major football programs are sacred and they are treated as such across the country.

I still would be surprised if Paterno knew about this and kept quiet.

110 posted on 11/07/2011 11:24:36 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi
I still would be surprised if Paterno knew about this and kept quiet.

He knew about it in 1998 while Sandusky worked for him. They even have wiretaps of Sandusky admitting to a mother that he had molested her son. A janitor testified that he saw Sandusky with a kid in the locker room but was afraid of losing his job if he reported it. A GA reported a rape to JP in 2002. Obviously he believed in the GA's character as he later hired the GA as his WR coach. It is obvious that JP knew about Sandusky all along.

111 posted on 11/07/2011 11:32:44 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Erik Latranyi
Try this one: Paterno follows up after the fact with Curley and Shultz and they tell him the story was false and made up.

They try this. Paterno hires dude that falsely accuses his assistant coach of raping a ten year old boy in the locker room. Doesn't wash.

112 posted on 11/07/2011 11:34:32 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas
"this investigation has been know to PSU officials for several years. Why just now ban Sandusky from campus? "

That nails it. And as officials go, that includes Paterno, because even if his power on campus is unofficial he has zero moral excuse NOT to wield it if he has reasonable cause to believe the crime is continuing. With children involved, his responsibility didn't end with reporting things to his "boss" as long as he saw ample opportunity for continued horrific crimes to continue.

113 posted on 11/07/2011 11:38:47 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Erik Latranyi
Can you show me Paterno knew about the 1998 investigation? I doubt it.

They have Sandusky on tape admitting that he molested the young boy in Paterno's locker room and you are thinking that no one bothered to talk to Joe about that?

114 posted on 11/07/2011 11:39:24 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas
They have Sandusky on tape admitting that he molested the young boy in Paterno's locker room and you are thinking that no one bothered to talk to Joe about that?

Then why wasn't Sandusky prosecuted?

115 posted on 11/07/2011 11:40:53 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi

Unfortunately, DA Gricar ain’t around to answer that question.


116 posted on 11/07/2011 11:49:52 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“Bill Plaschke: In wake of Sandusky scandal, Joe Paterno must resign”

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/11/bill-plaschke-joe-paterno-resign-jerry-sandusky.html


117 posted on 11/07/2011 12:40:33 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Erik Latranyi
Then why wasn't Sandusky prosecuted?

That's what the lead prosecutor under the AG would like to know.... (Can you say 'cover-up'?)

118 posted on 11/07/2011 12:41:52 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas; abb; mewzilla

OK, let me throw a “hail mary” pass at a theory.

RFG is Ray Frank Grico, former DA of Centre County Pennsylvania.....the man who dropped charges against Sandusky in 1998 and then went missing in 2005 only months before he was scheduled to retire.

RFG had evidence against someone. Rather than prosecute, RFG received payments from this individual that were sent directly into a foreign account. This could be extortion by RFG or a bribe paid to RFG. It does not matter.

RFG kept the damning evidence on the hard drive in whatever laptop he carried with him as insurance that the payments would continue or he would release the evidence.

In 2005, something happened that convinced RFG he must destroy the evidence and disappear. He did not want to leave his daughter without money, so he had to ensure she could get his savings, life insurance, etc.

Could this evidence be the Sandusky evidence and either Sandusky was paying or officials at Penn State were paying to keep it quiet?


119 posted on 11/07/2011 12:45:03 PM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi
Could this evidence be the Sandusky evidence and either Sandusky was paying or officials at Penn State were paying to keep it quiet?

Another toss: The AG decided not to prosecute in 1998. S goes into retirement in 2009. S negotiates special priviledges related to his relationship with PSU following retirement. I would expect that Spanier had to approve these special privileges. Obviously Spanier had to know about the 1998 investigation and the tape recordings. This stinks to hog heaven. Everyone knew that Sandusky was protected. The janitors of the locker room and their supervisors saw Sandusky molesting children but were afraid to report what they saw. I would be too if I knew that Joe Paterno, AD Curley, VP Schultz, President Spanier and AG Gribar were protecting him.

120 posted on 11/07/2011 12:59:06 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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