Posted on 11/08/2011 11:40:43 AM PST by bjorn14
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Joe Paterno’s tenure as coach of the Penn State football team will soon be over, perhaps within days or weeks, in the wake of a sex-abuse scandal that has implicated university officials, according to two people briefed on conversations among the university’s top officials.
The board of trustees has yet to determine the precise timing of Paterno’s exit, but it is clear that the man who has more victories than any other coach at college football’s top level and who made Penn State a prestigious national brand will not survive to coach another season. Discussions about how to manage his departure have begun, according to the two people.
Paterno was to have held a news conference Tuesday but the university canceled it less than an hour before it was scheduled to start.
At age 84 and with 46 seasons as the Penn State head coach behind him, Paterno’s extraordinary run of success — one that produced tens of millions of dollars for the school and two national championships, and that established him as one of the nation’s most revered leaders, will end with a stunning and humiliating final chapter.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
Sandusky was NEVER cleared in the 1998 investigation. The DA elected to not bring charges. The police were puzzled why not as they a open and shut case against him as he was on tape admitting to molesting a little boy in Joe's shower room.
You betcha. The janitors were absolutely afraid of being fired. Their testimony.
You: GIVE ME A BREAK.
OK, Sandusky was not investigated by police in 1998 and cleared. Just ignore what's in the Grand Jury report.
Paterno, who is omniscient, clearly knew the police were wrong and should used his omnipotence to appear before the DA and demand a prosecution.
You have your break.
Facts show that they did not and Joe knew they did not. Facts show that Joe kept quiet and allowed Sandusky to rape little boys for seven more years.
Corrected.
The Grand Jury report says they did not. The report does not indicate that Paterno knew they did not.
And that's all we know about it at this point isn't it?
Everything else is an assumption.
You want to believe the worst I can't stop you.
Joe knew that it had to be reported to Child Services or the Police. Joe knew it was not reported. Joe had a legal requirement with PSU to report that PSU officials were violating state laws. Joe kept quiet while Sandusky kept raping.
Not at all. The worst would be if JP was humping kids also but I don't believe that at all.
In 1998, the University Police investigated multiple incidents involving Sandusky and boys in the Penn State showers. We do not know if that was two incidents or more. We just know that it was more than one.
We also don't know when the incidents occurred. We only know they were investigated in 1998. If there were multiple incidents, there is the possibility that one or more occurred in 1998 and that in the course of the investigation, incidents before 1998 were investigated.
We simply do not know much about the 1998 report.
We know that Sandusky was considered the 'heir apparent" to Paterno, but he tendered his surprise early retirement in 1999. At the time, and now, it was reported that he was told he would not follow Paterno as head coach. That's believable. However, it's entirely reasonable to believe he was told that he would not follow Paterno because it was rather widely known that Sandusky was showering with little boys in the football locker room showers. I've lost most (well, almost all) of my respect for Joe Paterno since Monday morning (and I can't emphasize how much respect I had) - but I have no problem visualizing Joe Paterno telling his close friend "you're not going to be the head coach" in 1999 because the guy was showering with little boys.
That's why he has been charged with failing to report it. /s.
Look, you have some emotional issue with Paterno, and don't seem all that concerned about what happened and why.
If Paterno was involved in the cover-up, hang him. Right now there is no evidence for it other than people loudly asserting it and claiming that he knows, and controls, everything that happens in Happy Valley.
Hey, maybe you think he was behind that D.A.'s disappearance too.
You said wait for the cross examination. Why don't you just do that?
No. I suggested you relax till the cross examinations. You seem to be a little too emotionally caught up in this to speak rationally.
The GJ report says that McQueary told Joe what he had seen. Joe thus knew that a child rapist was continuing to shower with kids. Joe let it happen.
“McQueary should have stopped the rape and physically restrained Sandusky while he called the police. If Sandusky happened to accidentally slip on the soap and hit his head against the tile several times, or miraculously slip upwards and impale himself by the shower head on his rectum while the police were on their way . . . well . . . those thiings happen.
McQueary was a coward and his behavior was probably the most reprehensible of anybody in the bunch.”
You are my favorite FReeper! Now please do not file any claims of harassment of any sort against me! But what you say is EXACTLY what should have happened. This guy, mcQUEERY is positively vile.
Well, apparently, Paterno let him leave the program with dignity and emeritus status.
Sandusky wasn't cleared in 1998. The DA decided he didn't have enough evidence to prosecute Sandusky for molestation. That's not "cleared." (And I may be wrong, but I think the University Police file wasn't available to the DA; the DA's case was based primarily on an audiotape that a mother made of a call from Sandusky).
But even if he wasn't prosecuted for molesting them, Sandusky was still showering, nude, with preteen boys, in the Penn State football locker room showers. The first question is, would you have seen anything wrong with that, if you were Paterno?
Then, in 2000, a janitor caught Sandusky orally sodomizing a boy in the Penn State football locker room showers but was too afraid to report it to police. Why was he afraid? Afraid of Sandusky? Afraid to bring shame on Penn State? Afraid because Sandusky had been Joe Paterno's good friend for 30+ years?
And I have a hard time believing that Joe Paterno wouldn't have been told that his friend of decades, his former defensive coordinator - the guy whose defense won the national title for Penn State against Miami in the Orange Bowl - the guy who 'retired early and unexpectedly' after the University Police investigations into his showering with preteen boys - was back in the showers with a small boy.
One of the best things I loved about Joe Paterno is that it was his program. He was the benevolent grandfather who knew what was going on and ran a tight ship. Players walked the straight and narrow are were disciplined . . . because Paterno's network let him know if they missed curfew, even if they were in a small town twenty miles away.
I understand I'm making some assumptions. I either have to assume that Paterno was like every other football coach of any reasonably successful program, called the shots, and was tapped into the intelligence of his program . . . or I have to assume that Paterno was incredibly incompetent and naive, that he was left in the dark when everyone else knew, that people intentionally didn't tell him things, that he didn't know the open secrets that everyone else knew, that people were either so scared of Paterno or disrepected him so much that they let the Penn State showers be used by Sandusky for years to molest boys; and that Joe Paterno was clueless and grossly negligent since 1998 or before.
Which assumption should I choose?
HamiltonJay? The adults who aided Sandusky in some way could fill a section at Beaver Stadium.
Take The Second Mile, the program to help troubled youth. If Curley and Schultz actually contacted them in 2002 about Sandusky (the Grand Jury determined that they did, although The Second Mile denies it), The Second Mile continued to let Sandusky work with youth until 2008.
Of course, we don't know what Curley and Schultz told them. They may not have used the word "anal rape," because that may have caused a scandal for Penn State.
If this were Fort Smith, Arkansas, in the late 1870s, Judge Isaac Parker couldn't build a scaffold large enough to hand all of the adults that the citizenry would drag forward, by the time we learn all of the facts we're going to learn.
Go back to 1998. Wendell Courtney was the attorney for Second Mile. Can you guess the name of the PSU attorney that reviewed the 1998 files for PSU?
Well, the mother was interviewed and that fact didn't find its way into the GJ presentment or report.
That doesn't mean it isn't true.
It can mean that the mother's statement wasn't necessary to indict Curley and Schultz and it opens up a can of worms that the DA doesn't want to open up.
As I've said - you read these documents once to see what's in them, and once to see what's not in them. What's not in them is often just as important.
The mother's story sounds plausible. But I would phrase it as "the mother says" rather than as a fact. I know that we're stating what's in the GJ documents as facts . . . and we could write "the GJ presentment says . . . ", but at least we're referring to statements made under oath or to a law enforcement official. A mother's statement to a news agency, even if it sound plausible, is not quite the same thing.
That's right. I forgot. Holy cow, this thing is incestuous, isn't it? One big happy Penn State-associated family.
You know that Sandusky was idolized by Penn State fans, right? Sandusky was a defensive genius. Penn State is/was known as "Linebacker U," and Sandusky is the reason. Dignified Penn State beat cocky Miami in the 1987 Orange Bowl with hard-hitting defense, changing schemes. I'm not much of a college football fan, but that game is considered one of the greatest National Championship games of the modern era.
And Sandusky's defensive plan is credited with winning it for Penn State.
If you are talking about the 2002 case, he was told about that. There does not appear to be any more cases that involved the football team's facilities after that. The abuse uncovered in the 2008 case that blew the lid off this occurred off campus mostly at Sandusky's home.
Then, in 2000, a janitor caught Sandusky orally sodomizing a boy in the Penn State football locker room showers but was too afraid to report it to police. Why was he afraid? Afraid of Sandusky? Afraid to bring shame on Penn State? Afraid because Sandusky had been Joe Paterno's good friend for 30+ years?
Or maybe he was just afraid of getting involved. The other janitors told him to report it. They didn't seem concerned about Paterno's reaction.
The expressed their concern to him that they might lose their jobs if he reported it. He told his supervisor. His supervisor gave him a name of someone to report it to. It was never reported.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.