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Appeals court upholds Obama’s health care law
The Washington Times ^ | November 8, 2011 | Paige Winfield Cunningham

Posted on 11/08/2011 4:04:15 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The biggest problem America faces today is that too many Americans think that our government works and the democratic principles will right all wrongs.

Centuries of politicians have corrupted our government to the point where it is today. We are NOT the representative republic that the Founders created, we are a true democracy (mob rule!) - the 17th Amendment altered that.

Amertica isn’t just in trouble, America is in deep doo-doo and too many people fail to see it. Our fate no longer rests specifically with the people we elect to represent us in Washington but, more commonly, with non-elected jurists whose judgements are rendered based their politics and NOT on the law.

Obama and his lawlessness didn’t just happen overnight, the road was paved for him by decades of corrupt politicians making slight alterations here and there until we reached the level of massive corruption we currently have today. And, ulike Europe, there IS no United States to sweep in and save us from our own folly . . . . WE will have to save ourselves!!!


21 posted on 11/08/2011 4:32:13 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Gator113

AMEN!!!


22 posted on 11/08/2011 4:35:10 PM PST by SirLurkedalot (OccupyMinefield, you communist filth!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does this ruling render the Ohio healtchare vote today moot?


23 posted on 11/08/2011 4:35:16 PM PST by Fedupwithit ("Live free or Die: Death is not the worst of evils" - Gen. John Stark)
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To: DLfromthedesert
How is Health Care a “National” problem?

It's not a national problem at all. Those who have jobs are just fine. That's 53% of the population. It's the non-working DEMOCRAT base that has the problem.

The Republicans need to pass another bill equal in size to Obomacare, and pass it first so everyone can see what's in it. Demand all Americans work for a living and support themselves - it's for the national good!

I'd support a Republican 'Back to work for everyone' bill. Would this court do the same?

24 posted on 11/08/2011 4:36:04 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: The Sons of Liberty

They can’t be required, it’s unconstitutional. But who ever said this country is run by people who follow the constitution? And Obama is a so called “Professor of Constitutional law”?? You know it’s funny how just about every problem in this country is caused by a Harvard grad. Barney Frank, Jamie Gorelick, Ted Kennedy, Noobama. How in the name of God did this school EVER get this “primo” rep? My 5 year old has more logic than these morons, like he said a few months ago “Daddy why does the President want to take peoples money if they have no jobs?” FIVE years old and he has 1000 times more common sense and logic than a Professor of constitutional law from HARVARD! Like Herman Cain said “IT’S TIME TO GET THE STUPID OUT OF WASHINGTON!”


25 posted on 11/08/2011 4:45:55 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Mark Halperin - Learned the hard way what happens when you speak the truth on PMSNBC.)
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To: hattend
makes you buy insurance at the point of a gun...

That's exactly what this is.

26 posted on 11/08/2011 4:46:14 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: constantvigilance
Unfortunately the guy who wrote the opinion was a Reagan appointee who had previously been a rock-ribbed conservative. Wonder who got to him!?

As a lower court judge, he has to follow Supreme Court precedent. If you read his full opinion, he obviously doesn't think this is a good idea, but he believes that Supreme Court precedent has put virtually no limits on the Interstate Commerce power.

27 posted on 11/08/2011 4:55:53 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."

We'll start with the ones on the bench.


28 posted on 11/08/2011 5:05:20 PM PST by Vlad The Inhaler (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself)
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To: DLfromthedesert
The Supremes will undo this,

You live in Dream Land. The Supremes will put this one. It will be up to the next administration to undo, if there ever is one.

29 posted on 11/08/2011 5:20:27 PM PST by itsahoot (There was a bloodless coup in 08, and no one seemed to notice. God help us.)
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To: SkyDancer
PS - wouldn’t it be up to the Supreme Court for the final say?

That is what I am waiting on. Their decision directly impacts my own as to where I live out my days.

Thought popped in my head the other day. How much longer can this judicial volleyball go on? When is it steadfast on the SCOTUS' door step that they can no longer side step this beast and have to rule on it?

30 posted on 11/08/2011 5:27:47 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: itsahoot
The Supremes will put this one.

If they do, then there will be insurrection.

The commerce clause must have limits. If the Supreme Court makes a ruling which essentially says the commerce clause grants unlimited power, then the People can lawfully, and in good conscience, begin armed resistance to such Tyranny.

31 posted on 11/08/2011 5:32:07 PM PST by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: The Sons of Liberty
I still don't understand how 200 million people can be "required" to buy anything,

That's interesting right there. If Obamacare (have to pass it to know whats in it!!!) is ruled un-Constitutional based on "required" purchases by the individual; what's to stop lawsuits against the United States for being "required" to pay taxes for the "American Industrial Military Complex" for example? Or me filing against the United States for all the social services it provides not expressly enumerated in the Constitution that I am "required" to pay for via taxes?

32 posted on 11/08/2011 5:36:28 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Ronaldus Maximus was a little too PollyAnna for me..


33 posted on 11/08/2011 5:41:56 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Their logic is going to get nuked and nuked till it’s glowing.

...no different than requiring businesses to serve all customers regardless of race?!?!?

The customer in their scenario has the FREEDOM to determine IF THEY WANT TO USE THAT PARTICULAR BUSINESS OR NOT!!!!

Also businesses still have the right to refuse service if they have a dress code, a sanitary code, if the customer is disruptive, the store has closed, or can’t pay for something they want.

Demanding people buy a product is totally different than a company being required to serve people of all races.

What stupid moronic ignoramuses we have running our legal system. It’s just incredible how dumb they are. Incredible.


34 posted on 11/08/2011 5:49:04 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: constantvigilance

[ Unfortunately the guy who wrote the opinion was a Reagan appointee who had previously been a rock-ribbed conservative. ]

Reagan was not a rock ribbed republican himself.. he was a RINO leaning toward conservative..
Not to be compared to current RINOS.. who are basically democrats..
Not many ex-democrats are rock ribbed conservatives..

Its hard to remove the democrat from the democrat..
what made them a democrat in the first place is still “in them”..

Democrats love democracy thats why they are called democrats..
Democracy was, is now and always will be Mob Rule by mobsters..


35 posted on 11/08/2011 5:50:34 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: hattend

They were already armed.

It’s just that now, 20,000 more are armed.


36 posted on 11/08/2011 5:51:41 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: sargon
then the People can lawfully, and in good conscience, begin armed resistance to such Tyranny.

"Who" defines tyranny? This country has a gaping split down the middle as to "what" America is these days (IMO, those of us who want left the hell alone; and the others who want to take our wealth).
Chesty Puller could squeeze one off in Zero's dome and FOXNews would be calling him a crazed gunman.

So, "Who" defines tyranny because we have a sizable population completely obtuse to the idea of liberty and personal responsibility.

37 posted on 11/08/2011 5:54:11 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: hosepipe
He might have been reading a concurring opinion in another Commerce Clause case written by Scalia the Elasticist:

...the authority to enact laws necessary and proper for the regulation of interstate commerce is not limited to laws governing intrastate activities that substantially affect interstate commerce. Where necessary to make a regulation of interstate commerce effective, Congress may regulate even those intrastate activities that do not themselves substantially affect interstate commerce.

J. Scalia, concurring in Raich

39 posted on 11/08/2011 6:30:54 PM PST by Ken H (They are running out of other people's money. )
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To: Ken H

Probably the two justices Bush put in are the progressive lock on the court..
I sensed that when he did it..

Soon after he bent over and assumed “the position”.. for the democrats..
OK.. before that too..


40 posted on 11/08/2011 8:55:49 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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