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Live Thread: Republican Presidential Debate on National Security 8 P.M. EST 11/22/11 on CNN
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 | Kristinn

Posted on 11/22/2011 3:37:12 PM PST by kristinn

Hosted by the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute, the theme of tonight's Republican presidential debate is foreign policy and national security.

The debate is being held at Constitution Hall in Washington, D.C.

CNN is carrying the debate live at 8 p.m. EST.

Participating candidates are: businessman Herman Cain, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, former Speaker Newt Gingrich, Reps. Ron Paul (TX) and Michele Bachmann (MN), former Gov. Jon Huntsman, and former Sen. Rick Santorum.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012debates; 2012gopdebate; bachmann; cain; cnngopdebate; debate; elections; gingrich; gop; gopdebate; gopsecuritydebate; huntsman; nationalsecurity; nationsecurity; paul; perry; romney; ronpaul; santorum
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To: federal__reserve

Cain will probably get 20%. That is enough. The idiot white vote gets him nothing,


1,951 posted on 11/22/2011 11:43:48 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress

Let me correct that. The idiot white vote gets OBAMA nothing. They are poor and pissed.


1,952 posted on 11/22/2011 11:46:31 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Revolting cat!

A million and more illegals would self deport if they were denied welfare, free health care, and schooling, and if every employer were fined $1000 per day per illegal.. Easy. We just have to have the balls to do it.


1,953 posted on 11/22/2011 11:47:46 PM PST by Yaelle (Herman Cain: the clever conservative with cojones.)
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To: mylife

“Newt just said something pretty smart about Iran. They only have one refinery. Weak point on Iran.”

I’ve said it for a long time now. A few years ago when Iran was saber-rattling (again), Cheney quietly went to the Saudis and next thing we know, Saudi Arabia raised the price on the gasoline they sold back to Iran after refining their oil. That ended the problem...for awhile.

If we had a decent president, we could put a major hurt on Iran (and get cooperation of enough countries to join us as well), by cutting off their Central Bank. Real banking sanctions would cripple Iran.


1,954 posted on 11/22/2011 11:49:59 PM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: caww

caww posted - “”Maybe they do look it the illegal problem too simplistic as there was a time when one could do so...that time is long past. They’re here and it’s a matter of getting the border secured determining how and who to allow to stay....which btw that alone might get some of them off the welfare rolls if they target those on them.””

What about simply securing the border, while simultaneously removing the free services that draw them?

FRegards,
Tatt


1,955 posted on 11/22/2011 11:50:02 PM PST by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." DorothyBernard)
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To: thesearethetimes...

ping for later


1,956 posted on 11/22/2011 11:54:21 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: llandres

Big time.

Redefining isn’t that difficult but these yazoo’s are yazoos.

Texas leads the world on refinery’s


1,957 posted on 11/22/2011 11:56:28 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: thesearethetimes...

Look, the government as it operates now is disfunctional in most everyway...so how else are we going to replace it? We have to start somewhere and the people have made it clear in these elections we are ready for that.

What do you do with any train gone off track and stuck in a quaqmire....you dig it out...and get it back on track...but in this case we have to do the heavy lifting of putting it not only back on track but changing the direction almost entirely.

There’s many agencies in our government that can be quickly dissolved...the Czars and their elarged staff can go immediately...and there are more just like them. But at the same time you have to impliment those to carry out the plans needed, as with immigration etc. There will be alot of overlapping.

But yes I do believe it can be done and I do believe if it’s ever going to even get done it will be from the President who takes charge in 2012...and that of the representatives we’re going to replace the others with.

Nobody wants to hear the MExicans who have broken our laws by coming here are going to get to stay....I sure don’t..but what are the options which can really be put into place and workable? It’s just too dang late to kick them out...and that is a tear-jerker when you try to accept it...because it has been an invasion into our country just as the muslim invasion is happening now.


1,958 posted on 11/22/2011 11:57:37 PM PST by caww
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To: mylife

You really need to read my post more carefully next time. But since you are a nice person, I will repeat what I said...

95% of black vote went to Obama in 2008.
Cain will get more of that 95% than any other GOP candidates.
There is a good thread from Morehouse college today on FR which confirms this. Cain could get between 20 & 30% of the black vote leaving Obama 70 to 80%. That will defeat Obama.


1,959 posted on 11/23/2011 12:00:13 AM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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To: eyedigress

Maybe you should focus on your own mission....then again I think you have done just that...report yourself troll.


1,960 posted on 11/23/2011 12:00:57 AM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: South40

I’m angry.. sorry.. not at you.


1,961 posted on 11/23/2011 12:02:24 AM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: BagCamAddict

It won’t hurt to stay informed!

Syria Oil - exports: 263,000 bbl/day (2009 est.)

http://www.indexmundi.com/syria/oil_exports.html


1,962 posted on 11/23/2011 12:03:08 AM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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To: thesearethetimes...

I’m up for that as well. But there’s going to be an enormous outcry from the Mexican Government as well as all those who have to return. No matter how it’s approached it’s not going to be acceptable to those who have to go...and we’ll be hearing from them in due time.

The fact candidates are speaking out once again on this is going to create problems. One of which another mass run for our borders before anything takes place..and that on a international scale from the terrorists who want to harm us.

It’s a horrible mess no matter how it’s appraoched.


1,963 posted on 11/23/2011 12:03:23 AM PST by caww
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To: Yaelle

It won’t hurt to stay informed!

Syria Oil - exports: 263,000 bbl/day (2009 est.)

http://www.indexmundi.com/syria/oil_exports.html


1,964 posted on 11/23/2011 12:03:41 AM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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To: Marcella

Sorry, I have family in UK and they could not work until they had govt clearance.....


1,965 posted on 11/23/2011 12:04:00 AM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: antceecee

I know. And you have a right to be angry. The Republican Party has been overrun with liberals...we should all be angry.


1,966 posted on 11/23/2011 12:10:10 AM PST by South40
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To: secondamendmentkid

“and Huntsman continues his pontification and condescending routine on every subject he came across.”

Yes, ad nauseum. He keeps bragging “I’ve lived overseas four times.”

To which I say - how about a 5th? Only longer this time, where he can use his “fluent Chinese” and the various other languages he speaks (the best of which is Double-Talk).


1,967 posted on 11/23/2011 12:13:23 AM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

The Pakistani’s are laughing their a$$ off over continuing “bakshish” coming from Uncle Sam like clockwork. “It is sooooo easy to fool the Americans”.


1,968 posted on 11/23/2011 12:17:52 AM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball
Have you ever managed people?

You know when you assign someone a project or a task to complete, and they come into your office and start giving you excuses about why they didn't get it done:

“Well it's not my fault the subcontractor didn't show up on time. And the product he brought was sub-par, so we had to re-order the supplies, and then we had 3 days of bad weather, and then the Inspector didn't pass the plumbing....”

And as the Boss or Manager, all you're thinking is, “I don't care who's fault it is and I don't care about any of these excuses, all I care about is whether the job got done or not.”

So you finally interrupt the guy and cut to the chase and say, “When can you get it done?”

Because the bottom line is, excuses don't matter. What can you get done, and when?

I think with Cain, what you see (that you and others perhaps don't like) is that he boils things down to their most simple elements. And he makes a decision based on that, and then he moves forward. As a CEO, he knows it doesn't ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING to stand around and talk about the problems ‘till we're blue in the face, giving excuses about why the project wasn't done on time. All that matters to Cain is “What are we going to do about it, and when?”

So when you say that “Santorum displays a depth of knowledge on the issues,” I really think what you're seeing is that Santorum (and others) can talk about these things all day long. They can talk and talk and talk. What good does it do to TALK? What does it solve to be a good talker? Cain wants to actually DO something, and he doesn't want to waste his time or ours in talking about it.

At least that's the way I see it.

And I think that's why Cain polls better with men than with women. Women like a lot of words, a lot of touchy-feely (women like Romney). Men like to cut to the chase and accomplish something. Men like to get ‘er done.

1,969 posted on 11/23/2011 12:21:31 AM PST by BagCamAddict (If Perry had been asked about the Cain 999 plan, he would have said: 9, 9, .......what?)
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To: llandres
I’d put Newt and Cain up against an unscripted BHO before Romney, although he does have the looks of Central Casting for a president.

Oh I completely, and respectfully disagree. I think Romney looks absolutely common. He looks to me like the owner of a Used Car Lot. Or an Insurance Salesman.

1,970 posted on 11/23/2011 12:27:47 AM PST by BagCamAddict (If Perry had been asked about the Cain 999 plan, he would have said: 9, 9, .......what?)
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To: caww

I see it very differently, in that I think it is extremely important for the Republican candidates to amplify the message the American people have been sending since well before 2010. That the gravy train has jumped the track - for people who are looking for free rides, AND for politicians, (regardless of party), who want to pay for power, using our money to buy votes.

The upshot of that message should encourage freeriders here to leave, and give those who were considering coming something to think about.

IMHO “Constitutional” candidates who are advancing ideas about how securing our borders is too difficult, and about how to include individuals who break our laws, are not Constitutional at all.

We cannot right this ship with the business as usual, good cop/bad cop politics, where the “two parties” are simply different sides of the same coin : /

One thing we can agree on though, is that we are indeed in a horrible mess, and I fear for our nation. If we do not get it right this time, there may well be no next time.

May God guide our course.
Tatt


1,971 posted on 11/23/2011 12:42:26 AM PST by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." DorothyBernard)
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To: BagCamAddict

Extraordinarily Well Said BUMP! Thank you, and may MANY read it and come to understand it.

BagCamAddict - “”I think with Cain, what you see (that you and others perhaps don’t like) is that he boils things down to their most simple elements. And he makes a decision based on that, and then he moves forward. As a CEO, he knows it doesn’t ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING to stand around and talk about the problems ‘till we’re blue in the face, giving excuses about why the project wasn’t done on time. All that matters to Cain is “What are we going to do about it, and when?”

So when you say that “Santorum displays a depth of knowledge on the issues,” I really think what you’re seeing is that Santorum (and others) can talk about these things all day long. They can talk and talk and talk. What good does it do to TALK? What does it solve to be a good talker? Cain wants to actually DO something, and he doesn’t want to waste his time or ours in talking about it.””


1,972 posted on 11/23/2011 12:50:07 AM PST by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." DorothyBernard)
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To: caww
This summer, I worked with a crew of 50 Hispanics, and they came from 10 different countries. The work was hard, it was hot, it was not glamorous, and at times it was frightening for some of the workers. They all worked their tails off, with good attitudes, no complaints, and for low wages. We worked 12-14 hours a day, 7 days a week, unless we got shut down for weather.

We couldn't get Americans to do the same work for the same wage. But every one of these people were grateful to have the work. And every one of them was able to save money to send something back home to their families. Most of them went to church together, and they played soccer together after work or on an off day.

I don't like “our money” going out of this country any more than anyone else does. But if Americans are going to be too lazy and too proud to get their hands dirty and do a hard day's work, then these people deserve the money, and they deserve to do with it whatever they want.

I have nothing bad to say about hard-working Hispanics who come here to better their lives. They weren't citizens, but they were either here legally, or their documents were good forgeries.

1,973 posted on 11/23/2011 12:53:37 AM PST by BagCamAddict (If Perry had been asked about the Cain 999 plan, he would have said: 9, 9, .......what?)
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To: federal__reserve
and Cain is likely to get the most votes from the 95% black voting group for Obama in 2008. That just may be the difference between winning & losing a close election.

And here's what people haven't thought about much: Cain isn't even courting the Black vote yet. Cain knows that the Republican nomination is about the White vote. He'll start courting the Black vote if he gets the nomination. He's not wasting his time on that segment of the population right now, but you can bet he will go after it HARD if he gets the nomination.

1,974 posted on 11/23/2011 12:58:01 AM PST by BagCamAddict (If Perry had been asked about the Cain 999 plan, he would have said: 9, 9, .......what?)
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To: federal__reserve

No, it doesn’t hurt to stay informed.

What’s your point?


1,975 posted on 11/23/2011 1:01:03 AM PST by BagCamAddict (If Perry had been asked about the Cain 999 plan, he would have said: 9, 9, .......what?)
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To: federal__reserve

My “What’s your point?” came out far more harsh than I meant it to.

I merely meant, “What am I missing?”

Sorry about that.


1,976 posted on 11/23/2011 1:08:16 AM PST by BagCamAddict (If Perry had been asked about the Cain 999 plan, he would have said: 9, 9, .......what?)
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To: indpndtguy

bah, I had considered voting for Newt... but on second thought ... I just don’t think it would be “humane”


1,977 posted on 11/23/2011 1:08:16 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: Jane Long

The Galvaston example came from Perry’s book, “Fed Up!”


1,978 posted on 11/23/2011 1:41:26 AM PST by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: BCrago66

At least her Rino isn’t pro amnesty.


1,979 posted on 11/23/2011 2:13:20 AM PST by anton
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To: thesearethetimes...

Cain/Santorum 2012 .. because ? we want to cut out all the unnecessary talk and get things actually done.


1,980 posted on 11/23/2011 2:26:32 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: BagCamAddict

Cain/Santorum 2012 .. because ? we want to cut out all the unnecessary talk and get things actually done.


1,981 posted on 11/23/2011 2:27:08 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Irish Eyes

Correct
its not Perrys,nor the state of Texas fault theres illegals everywhere.Thats the Federal Government’s responsibility.
And by the way,Perry has never once said,in all my years living in Texas,that he was for amnesty,nor has he ever been for the Federal DREAM Act.The Governor cannot deport illegals,only ICE can.We have passed legislation here in Texas denying drivers licenses to illegals,requiring voter i.d. to vote.Perry did call on an emergency special session of the Texas State Legislature to ban sanctuary cities,but the bill was stalled.
Please,come off the lie that Perry and Texas is soft on illegals because thats complete B.S.


1,982 posted on 11/23/2011 2:34:50 AM PST by LBarraza
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To: af_vet_rr

You aren’t listening to me. I want to provide cover for an operation against the Iranian nuke capability.

If they get those nukes, then we’ll wish we’d worked hard at getting access.

I do believe Ahmadinejad is mad, and that he will use them. I also believe he will use a clandestine delivery system and not a conventional one.


1,983 posted on 11/23/2011 3:03:38 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: okie01; P-Marlowe; TitansAFC

Your ideas do not take into account those who’ve been here and have children who have been born here and/or grandchildren born here.

There is no removing these folks. US citizens are permitted to have their parents and grandparents visiting with them. That throws EVERYTHING out of kilter.

We need to change the anchor baby law, but that will not be retroactive to those already made US citizens.

Everybody seems to forget the anchor baby law and visitation by relatives being fine and dandy with immigration. But the US Constitution forbids any ex post facto law.


1,984 posted on 11/23/2011 3:07:23 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: mylife

And a visa is “legal”.

Besides, we always forget about anchor babies...children and grandchildren who are by law US citizens.

Their parents and grandparents can get visas to visit all they want. It’s just the nature of how the system works.


1,985 posted on 11/23/2011 3:15:38 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: RitaOK

LOL. You’re OKRita

:>)


1,986 posted on 11/23/2011 3:17:38 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Graewoulf

Most illegals don’t work like that. It’s under the table. There is no paper trail.

I just hired out putting down a wood floor, molding, some work on our doors. I know the guys who are doing it, but there is no paper transaction between us. I pay them, and their reporting to the government is strictly on their terms with however they do taxes at the end of the year. I don’t have a clue.


1,987 posted on 11/23/2011 3:20:49 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Grunthor

Nonetheless a work visa is a legal document. Therefore, the presence is not illegal.


1,988 posted on 11/23/2011 3:22:02 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Hoodat; P-Marlowe; TitansAFC

I have no problem with not giving benefits to guest workers. That’s as it should be.

However, all of this is moot until the anchor baby law is changed. Once a child is born in the US and is a US citizen, then the entire picture for the parents and even grandparents changes. If nothing else, they could be on visitor visas for the rest of their days, but there is NO WAY that the US is deporting one of its own citizens, i.e., that anchor baby. It’s just a fact.


1,989 posted on 11/23/2011 3:25:00 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: federal__reserve

Newt is going to take the Perry plunge down in the polls.


1,990 posted on 11/23/2011 3:26:28 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: huldah1776

The immigrant job issue to me is a non-issue.

Tell that to the millions of Americans who have lost their jobs, due to this economy.
they see Illegals doing jobs, they would do to save their house, their car, their way of life.


1,991 posted on 11/23/2011 3:27:40 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: American Constitutionalist

Perry took the plunge because people saw him in a couple of debates and realized he’s a goofball. Newt will be the nominee.


1,992 posted on 11/23/2011 3:46:42 AM PST by kjam22
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To: tennmountainman

The jobs I see Illegals doing are mowing and concrete work. I’m not sure how many women who were laid off are gong to jump in there and do those jobs. And, I’m not sure how many of their husbands really want to do that either. Certainly the wall street wackos don’t want to do real work.


1,993 posted on 11/23/2011 3:48:21 AM PST by kjam22
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To: BagCamAddict

Finally, a well written description of the type of work these ‘savages’ perform. We see them on the highways, on construction sites slaving away - while we drive to our airconditioned cubes and tap out computerized data.

We overlook that their ‘illegal’ journey into this country is reminiscent of earlier ‘slave traders’. This nation was built on the shoulders of subservient millions - willing to sacrifice all to survive.

The Government allowed an invasion of 30 million foreign nationals across our borders and is responsible to offer a correction. Practical men and women realize that deporting each and every non-documented resident is not physically possible or even desirable.

We accept undocumented refugees from war-torn areas. What is the difference? Workers want to work. Refugees will not fight for their homeland - will they fight for ours?

I agree with the posters who make the point: Once an illegal immigrant applies for free benefits - they go home. This is true for legal immigrants - they have to be sponsored or self-sustaining....no freebies.


1,994 posted on 11/23/2011 3:54:22 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Gingrich-Cain 2012)
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To: BagCamAddict

Very well put summary of Cain’s management style.


1,995 posted on 11/23/2011 3:59:23 AM PST by Vide
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To: glock rocks

Yikes, they got the Vicks Vapo-rubout treatment.


1,996 posted on 11/23/2011 4:38:03 AM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: federal__reserve
The Pakistani’s are laughing their a$$ off over continuing “bakshish” coming from Uncle Sam like clockwork. “It is sooooo easy to fool the Americans”.

I know...I'd light em up. Freakin' Pakirs.

1,997 posted on 11/23/2011 4:45:43 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: TitansAFC
You Cain folks are RIDICULOUS in trying to use this when your guy is to Gingrich’s LEFT on immigration.

I am neither for nor against Cain and Gingrich. My point was just an extension of Michelle Bachman's position.

If we "legalized" the illegals suddenly, then we might as well hoist up a white flag instead of the stars and stripes. We should then advirtise in all countries below the border, in Spanish, that all you have to do is come to America, pay taxes and behave yourself and voila, you will be legal.

1,998 posted on 11/23/2011 4:53:15 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (The unemployment problem only can be solved when Obama is unemployed.)
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To: kabar
Any legislation that legalizes the status of those who broke our laws by entering our country illegally and allows them to stay is amnesty.

...

And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification

The problem with your post is that you equate Newt's plan to amnesty, even though he specifically states they would NOT get citizenship. Then you cite the Heritage Foundation on the consequences of amnesty being chain migration. Yet you are missing that the Heritage Foundation is specifically defining amnesty as granting citizenship. Only the families of CITIZENS are entitled to family reunification.

1,999 posted on 11/23/2011 4:57:09 AM PST by Stat Man
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To: kristinn
Fortunately, I missed this latest installment of the the Left putting the Right in their MSM circus side show and calling it a "debate." Curious about where our candidates allowed the left to steer the focus of attention this time (from the comments, sounds like immigration issues - usually a subject as far away as possible from the failings of "The One We Have Been Waiting For."

Notice how if anyone starts to get close the real problem - Obama's economic, political, and anti-American train wreck, they're quickly cut off and the subject is changed?

Why are we letting the Left hold us hostage like this?

2,000 posted on 11/23/2011 5:01:13 AM PST by PapaNew
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