Posted on 12/08/2011 10:56:08 PM PST by tcrlaf
The 17 eurozone states and six other EU countries agreed early Friday to create a new treaty that will allow them to introduce stricter fiscal rules in the hope of containing a worsening debt crisis, but Britain's prime minister immediately threatened to block the new accord.
The failure to get agreement among all 27 members of the European Union at a summit meeting in Brussels reflected in large part a deep split between France and Germany on the one hand and Britain on the other. France and Germany are the two largest economies in the eurozone; Britain does not use the euro as its currency.
Britain's Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron said Friday "the institutions of the European Union belong to the European Union, belong to the 27" member states.
Cameron wished the eurozone nations luck in finding a solution to the crisis, which he conceded was in the interst of Britain, too, but said it was not in the U.K.'s interest to join the new treaty because he could not get special safeguards for the country's financial center.
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It isn’t working to Germany’s advantage NOW, but then that is because the Europhiles have tried to push the EU beyond what it originally was - a common market where goods could be moved round the continent relatively unimpeded. Nobody signed up for this “united europe” nonsense. In fact the peoples of Europe have consistently rejected the concept in numerous elections (the results of which, naturally, have been ignored). Now by trying to push through that which is simply not attainable they have brought about a massive economic crisis, and Germany is going to be left to hold the can.
What’s the difference between a Eurozone country and a member of the EU? Are the non-Eurozone countries lesser partners? UK have never been in the currency have they?
Can’t wait for farage to unleash against von rupoy this week!
Keep in mind one thing: The coverage we get of this we get on this side of the pond is the most shallow imaginable. Your post implies that Germany is, today, in great shape as far as general solvency and the state of its banks. Not so. Sure, in comparison to Greece, LOL. (What more need be said?!) But Germany is today no model of fiscal conservatism. Its’ banks are just about as hosed as the others.
But..but what about the ‘green shoots’ and, and the .4 drop in the jobless rate and the 1st time claims dropping 21,000 last week?
Obama and CNBC said things are better. They wouldn’t lie to us...would they?
Try 17%.
Try 17%.
For the life of me I cannot understand why, if we are to be the police of the world we cannot charge these Nations for the use of our "services" which protect them. It could be strictly voluntary with larger nations paying more, smaller Nations less and those who pay nothing being on their own if the SHTF.
Angie already said if this thing isn’t addressed it could lead to war.
I think you're joking with the question but just in case you weren't -- tiny Vatican City has no other practical choice but to use the prevailing currency of the surroundings, at least in today's world. No argument was made for joining and Vatican City is not a member of the European Union.
IOW the EU is tryng to have a means of kicking out bad comrades of the EU state.
hard to believe 23 states are this blind.
Scotland and Northern Ireland are part of the UK so it goes without saying you wouldn’t see them on the list
Britains of all stripes should be very thankful Blair and others couldn’t force the UK to dump the GBP for the Euro.
Cameron made the right move in saying no to the treaty, and to the “Robinhood Tax” that would really have stuck it to the Brits for problems they didn’t cause:
“UK Was Right to Say No to Treaty: Analysts”
“...Bill Blain, senior director of special situations group at Newedge, agreed that Cameron had done the right thing and added that the financial transaction tax had been used to make Britain a scapegoat for not getting a full treaty change through...
It’s a great way to blame Britain for the failure of 17 other Europeans agreeing anything, let’s not worry about it,” he said.”
http://www.cnbc.com/id/45610153/UK_Was_Right_to_Say_No_to_Treaty_Analysts
And there it is for anyone that wondered about my tagline...
Not all members of the EU are members of the Eurozone (i.e. countries that adopted the Euro as currency which UK did not).
We (the UK) need to continue taking back what is ours.
Our American FRiends are probably not aware of the absolute nightmare that the EU is.
Imagine your worst nightmare, a powerful political body controlled by fanatical libs and socialists, better still, imagine the US joining a union with S American nations and Canada, being told it was an economic union, on the surface sounds good doesn’t it? Lots of benefits of trade to be had. However it evolves without you having a damn vote on it and being dictated on everything from financial policy to cultural policy, who can fish in your waters etc......it is an out of control Nazi inspired project that has almost destroyed my once great country. Merkel and Sarkozy can burn in hell, they are two evil pieces of crap as far as I’m concerned.
They have so much power over sovereign nations you have no idea, it is hell.
Hopefully this is the first step of its demise, Britain needs to assert herself, I didn’t think Cameron was the man to do it, I still have major doubts, but this is positive. He needs to realize the ball is in our court, we don’t need to ask for their permission, we should take back FULL control of our decision making sovereignty, take back fully what is ours and if they don’t like it tough, what the hell are they going to do, kick us out and bankrupt themselves?
I pray to god he sees sense and raids this Nazi socialist organization. Britain needs to lead the way once more or we are almost certainly doomed.
Fortunately the Cyclops (Brown) was for all his other faults, an Atlantacist and Eurosceptic who put enough obstacles in the way to stop Blair getting us into the Euro.
I doubt that there is anyone other than a few fanatical Euro-loyalists who could seriously suggest with a straight face that Britain should ever consider joining the single currency. Not even Labour are that stupid.
Although I do kind of wish they would campaign on a ticket of Europhilia. It would be total electoral suicide for Labour and that would truly be a cause for celebration.
As for the Lib Dems, I’m not quite sure I would want them to leave the coalition government just yet because that would trigger a general election and I’m not confident that the Tories would be able to win an outright majority. If I was, I’d be all for the Lib Dems quitting. IMHO its better for the Lib Dems to be part of a mediocre Tory government than see the return of Labour misrule...
Governments are like drug addicted teenagers, and taxpayers in Germany and the USA are like the parents who gave their drug addicted teenager a credit card. You know those credit cards are going to get maxed out to help out their buddies, since Greece, Italy, etc. are already broke. Our government is also irresponsible, but it can still borrow money.
While our own media has been superhalfassed in describing the EU troubles there are other sources doing a decent job. I don’t know what Direct TV has but we use Dish and there are three channels that have been doing a journeyman job reporting on the Eurotrash finances——Chicoms have CCTV9, The Germans have Deutche Welle, and Al Jazeera (English) has also done a good job. Their perspectives are totally different but X-checking their dope gives a pretty good sense of just how much trouble EuroSocialDemocrats are in.
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