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8 soldiers charged in private's 'apparent' suicide in Afghanistan
LA Times ^ | December 21st, 2011 | AP

Posted on 12/21/2011 1:50:42 PM PST by KantianBurke

In October, Danny Chen, a U.S. Army private from New York City, was found dead in a guard tower in southern Afghanistan. The official statement said he had sustained "an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound."

On Wednesday, the Army announced that eight fellow soldiers have been charged in connection with his death. And a spokeswoman for the Chen family expressed doubts that Chen's death was actually a suicide.

In naming the men, the Army listed the charges faced by each one and said that more information would be published as it became available. The charges include dereliction of duty, maltreatment, assault and involuntary manslaughter.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimesblogs.latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; suicide
Sad. Hope justice is done.
1 posted on 12/21/2011 1:50:44 PM PST by KantianBurke
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To: KantianBurke

Perhaps napping on the job???


3 posted on 12/21/2011 1:58:17 PM PST by easternsky
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To: DeathBeforeDishonor1

“involuntary manslaughter”

Defined as “Homicide that is committed without the intent to kill, but with criminal recklessness or negligence.” Doesn’t sound like bullying to me.


4 posted on 12/21/2011 2:00:13 PM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke

This is a pretty pathetic story. What was the motive?


5 posted on 12/21/2011 2:03:29 PM PST by stevem
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To: KantianBurke

Sleeping during guard duty? I wonder...


6 posted on 12/21/2011 2:07:25 PM PST by LambSlave
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To: KantianBurke

That charge is typically a training accident, accidental discharge, etc. If the guy is found in a tower with a round through the bottom of his chin then it’s either suicide, murder, or someone shot him by accident from the ground. They aren’t charging murder, so it’s an accidental shot or the soldier killed himself, and the army is claiming the charged soldiers drove him to it.
I’m guessing the guy was a queer, got harrassed, popped himself and the army is going to make an example of these eight soldiers that queers will not be bothered.


7 posted on 12/21/2011 2:08:24 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: KantianBurke

A blanket party was not sufficient?

If a guard falls asleep on duty he risks everyone elses life. Not that this was the case.


8 posted on 12/21/2011 2:13:14 PM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to profreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: KantianBurke; DeathBeforeDishonor1

I don’t believe it for a minute. We had Koreans, Filipinos, ex-Cubans, Chinese, Puerto Ricans, and practically everything else when I was in the Navy and I can tell you that any “bullying” they are reporting is nothing but good natured teasing. If anyone got out of line, the rest of us would put him in his place. There is more to this story that they aren’t telling or more likely deliberately leaving out.


9 posted on 12/21/2011 2:15:59 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: KantianBurke; DeathBeforeDishonor1

I don’t believe it for a minute. We had Koreans, Filipinos, ex-Cubans, Chinese, Puerto Ricans, and practically everything else when I was in the Navy and I can tell you that any “bullying” they are reporting is nothing but good natured teasing. If anyone got out of line, the rest of us would put him in his place. There is more to this story that they aren’t telling or more likely deliberately leaving out.


10 posted on 12/21/2011 2:16:09 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
Nobody harrasses homos. If anyone is aware that they are homo mutants, it is because the homo mutant was already harrassing humans.

If the suicide was a homo, and the homo was harrassing humans, then justice has already been done.

11 posted on 12/21/2011 2:16:15 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

I read it as his fellow soldiers were engaging in horseplay - threatening to shoot him in the head with his service pistol - from the reading of the charges probably “jokingly.” A round inadvertently goes off and he’s dead.

Not sure why everyone is fixating on a possible gay angle. If he were gay that angle would have been played up. It’s more likely the case that cause of all this was lowlife criminals who acted accordingly.


12 posted on 12/21/2011 2:17:47 PM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke

Didn’t read those details. Definitely changes everything if so.


13 posted on 12/21/2011 2:19:19 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Inclined to agree with your assessment.


14 posted on 12/21/2011 2:23:12 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: KantianBurke

I don’t care what this kid may have done wrong.

As a NCO, you don’t allow this kind of treatment (if the allegations are true) of soldiers. Period. There are systems in place to get rid of people who can’t hack it in a line unit.

You incorporate these young soldiers in your daily functions in a positive way. Not alienate them and treat them like garbage. There are more constructive ways to discipline someone.

If you can’t mentally or physically hack it in the Infantry, you don’t belong. If you are a disgusting human being with no honor or moral character ( like the article suggests ) then you don’t belong either.


15 posted on 12/21/2011 2:26:41 PM PST by And2TheRepublic (People like freedom of speech, but only when it's sweet to their ears.)
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To: KantianBurke
I read it as his fellow soldiers were engaging in horseplay - threatening to shoot him in the head with his service pistol - from the reading of the charges probably “jokingly.” A round inadvertently goes off and he’s dead.

Idiots should have taken an NRA firearms safety course, because apparently the military isn't teaching that to them like it should. Don't point your gun at anything you do not intend to kill, horseplay or not.

16 posted on 12/21/2011 2:31:47 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: DeathBeforeDishonor1
I wouldn’t be surprised if he was a radical flamer and they were sick of his pro homosexual garbage.

Good point, that certainly would justify whatever actions drove the private to suicide...../s

You're speculating Dude with absolutely no evidence to support your ignorant statement. You are one sick bastard and a disgrace to this site.......

"DeathBeforeDishonor"? You've just dishonored whatever military attachment you may claim.........

17 posted on 12/21/2011 2:34:54 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Be good, Santa is coming)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I don’t believe it for a minute.

Agreed. Any one who has made it through basic and is in a deployed unit understands the brotherhodd between the soldiers, regardless of race/creed/color. Sure, there are those who never get it, but they are spotted quickly and hopefully weeded out. My son's guard unit had a Muslim soldier who was okay with the USA, but for some reason had a burr up his *ss about India and was outspoken about wanting to kill Indians. Needless to say, he was discharged.

18 posted on 12/21/2011 3:00:15 PM PST by ExpatCanuck
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To: RC51

Whatever degree of force is needed to stop an assault, or a sexual assault, or a pattern of such assaults, is justified.

Traditionally, a jury of one’s peers would determine whether excessive force was used; however, the concept and process of trial by jury of one’s peers has become as corrupted as every other corner of our society.


19 posted on 12/21/2011 3:03:51 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Actually I was speculating in order to illustrate how the media twists a story.
But being your ignorant response, Ill oblige..

I also know military members who refuse that “sensitivity” crap towards flamers.Nobody cares about their private life, but if they “tell without asking” which is Obamas new doctrine, theyll let it be known they should stay in their closet.

Bottom line, noone made that pathetic gutless whimpering coward off himself.If he was a man, he’d have sucked it up and still be alive instead of taking the cowards way out.


20 posted on 12/21/2011 3:05:11 PM PST by DeathBeforeDishonor1
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To: ExpatCanuck

We had plenty of known gays male and female that were just as much part of our unit as anyone. When your overseas and far from the USA, your sexual preference is pretty low on the priority list.


21 posted on 12/21/2011 3:13:58 PM PST by Tailback
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To: DeathBeforeDishonor1

“Bottom line, noone made that pathetic gutless whimpering coward off himself”

Did you even read the article? It does not appear to be a suicide. It was merely assumed to be so initially.


22 posted on 12/21/2011 3:17:05 PM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: DeathBeforeDishonor1
Actually I was speculating in order to illustrate how the media twists a story. But being your ignorant response, Ill oblige..

And I'll oblige your obvious ignorance too. 8 members of the military have been charged in the death of this soldier and will be tried under the UCMJ, that's all I need to know.......

If you want to rely on speculation, then I speculate you're a closet homo who suffers from self hatred due to your deviant sexual desires so you take out your anger towards everyone else who you deem may be homosexual too because of your subconscious sexual attraction towards those males......

You're one sick dude.......

23 posted on 12/21/2011 3:18:24 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Be good, Santa is coming)
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To: Hot Tabasco

24 posted on 12/21/2011 3:27:30 PM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke

Armed forces under the Democrats,always turns into a violent and pathetic environment where everyone is willing to screw over everyone else.The idea that that kind of an environment produces rough but tough soldiers is pretty much just that...a myth.

It is not the kind of place where people get along with each other,a shame the Army under former President Bush was probably more willing to accept other cultures because of the real dangers it faced and because there was an honest to God character to a lot of the leadership and the soldiers there.


25 posted on 12/21/2011 3:30:20 PM PST by Del Rapier
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To: Del Rapier

26 posted on 12/21/2011 3:46:28 PM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: ExpatCanuck

I would guess that the Muslim in your son’s unit was Pakistani. My guess is that Chen was too fresh out of boot camp and had not assimilated into military life.


27 posted on 12/21/2011 3:52:06 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Del Rapier
Armed forces under the Democrats,always turns into a violent and pathetic environment where everyone is willing to screw over everyone else.The idea that that kind of an environment produces rough but tough soldiers is pretty much just that...a myth.

It is not the kind of place where people get along with each other,

I served from 1969 - 1972 and would vehemently disagree with you. The homosexuals I served with were known to all, kept their preferences to themselves and performed their jobs as any professional would be expected to do and everyone got along just fine..........

As another posted said above, you are in the military overseas, tasked with performing your job, your sexuality takes a far backseat to all the daily stresses you are forced to endure.........

But back to this story, there is no mention in the article that this soldier was a homosexual (not that it should make any difference) and so I take extreme displeasure at anyone here who would imply that this soldier was. He was an enlisted member of our Armed Forces and there are now 8 fellow soldiers being charged with his death.........That's all I need to know.........

28 posted on 12/21/2011 3:57:27 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Be good, Santa is coming)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“I don’t believe it for a minute. We had Koreans, Filipinos, ex-Cubans, Chinese, Puerto Ricans, and practically everything else when I was in the Navy and I can tell you that any “bullying” they are reporting is nothing but good natured teasing. If anyone got out of line, the rest of us would put him in his place. There is more to this story that they aren’t telling or more likely deliberately leaving out.”

So we can extrapolate from your experience, all that goes on in the military?

I experienced quite a range of situations, often racial, during my time.

I’m not surprised to have problems like this occur.


29 posted on 12/21/2011 4:04:25 PM PST by truth_seeker (l)
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To: truth_seeker

Yes, I think I can. I was on a ship with 5000 other men and we pretty much got along. Next question?


30 posted on 12/21/2011 4:52:44 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I can believe it. Things have changed a lot in the past ten years in this society. Amorality has come of age...not for all but a lot of yutes.


31 posted on 12/21/2011 6:33:44 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Yes, I think I can. I was on a ship with 5000 other men and we pretty much got along. Next question?”

My experience in the US Army in Germany had several racial incidents.

—Previously reported deadly fist fight, started by cracker cook pvt.

—Gunshots at a 1st Lt. using 45 stolen from armory.

Racial issues were serious enough to prompt the top command to run a study of such matters.


32 posted on 12/21/2011 7:06:15 PM PST by truth_seeker (l)
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To: SaraJohnson

Perhaps. Kids coming out of public schools are very different than when I was in the Navy.


33 posted on 12/21/2011 7:47:16 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: truth_seeker

Interesting. Maybe I am just from a different time when civility was expected from the service members.


34 posted on 12/21/2011 7:49:41 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I didn’t even read he was a homosexual,I was referring to the man’s homosexual preferences.I served from 2003 to 2009 then I did some IRR special for about a year.

I care little about culture,homosexuals don’t usually “work” in the military but again as you pointed out they keep it hidden.The only time I learned soldiers I’d served with,in Iraq,were possibly gay(again I don’t particularly care)was afterwards.

Hmmm to be it was about addressing this nationwide rot that kicks in everywhere,with everyone,once the Dems take control.The Army always seems to get so much worse.

By getting along with each other,I do mean agreeing not to have issues with certain people no matter how “funny” they are or what their ethnicity is,everyone that went to Iraq eventually got along with everyone as long as they were squared away.To me that was the doctrine that took place during the Bush era.After the Dems took over......it turned into an @ss-kissing parade.


35 posted on 12/21/2011 8:12:28 PM PST by Del Rapier
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To: Blood of Tyrants

US Army, Germany 1969-70. (Almost all draftees went to US Army).


36 posted on 12/21/2011 9:23:06 PM PST by truth_seeker (l)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Ill propose you are the “sick dude” freak for condoning the fudgepacking, human Habitrail lifestyle.


37 posted on 12/22/2011 8:24:50 AM PST by DeathBeforeDishonor1
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To: Scotsman will be Free
I’m guessing the guy was a queer, got harrassed, popped himself and the army is going to make an example of these eight soldiers that queers will not be bothered.

If he was gay, all kinds of pro-gay groups would have been crawling out of the woodwork trying to be a part of this story. From the article and from other articles, it sounds like it was some light hazing/horseplay.
38 posted on 12/22/2011 10:01:23 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

Yeah, from later info I think that you are right.


39 posted on 12/22/2011 10:13:03 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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