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The libertarian case for ‘occupying’ foreclosed homes
The Daily Caller ^ | 12/20/2011 | Brian Anderson

Posted on 12/21/2011 5:14:27 PM PST by presidio9

“Do you support the Occupy protests?” people often ask me. As a libertarian, my answer to that question is long, complex and inconclusive. I’m critical of a lot of the Occupiers’ economic demands, but I’m very proud of how strong the decentralized structure of this movement has become, even if only as a populist showing-of-teeth.

Perhaps Wes Messamore best described the difference between libertarianism and OWS with a Lord of the Rings metaphor. Messamore explains that the left wants “to use the power of the state (the ring) to rein in and defeat the corporations (Sauron).” Libertarians, however, “seek to remove the source of Sauron’s power. They seek to destroy the privilege granted by governments to corporations, they seek to destroy the One Ring.”

So rather than supporting or rejecting the entire movement, I prefer to support or reject specific actions the Occupiers take.

As police action — excuse me, aggression — continues to elevate in response to public encampments, many protesters are leaving Wall Street and, instead, have begun to occupy the very homes upon which Wall Street hopes to foreclose. These attempts to get rid of the protesters may very well strengthen the movement’s overall cause. I can’t support the initiation of force

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: anticonservatives; commielibertarians; default; economy; ows; property

1 posted on 12/21/2011 5:14:30 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9
Bovine excrement and horse apples.

If property is not yours, don't take it.

Even if the property is sitting vacant.

How hard was that?

Otherwise, we have no rule of law at all. That would be anarchy, not libertarianism. Different set of rules.

/johnny

2 posted on 12/21/2011 5:19:37 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: presidio9

at what point would an actual libertarian be in favor of squatting / stealing property??

it goes counter to the whole concept


3 posted on 12/21/2011 5:22:13 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: presidio9
Like when the Bolsheviks "Occupied" Saint Petersburg circa 1917?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_the_Living
 
Uhuh.
 
Occupy this...
 
 
...ya Marxist Jackweasles.

4 posted on 12/21/2011 5:23:25 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: presidio9

The occupiers can’t be said to benefit all taxpayers in their occupying the vacant homes.


5 posted on 12/21/2011 5:27:54 PM PST by decimon
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To: presidio9

I agree with everyone else here, its not your property: don’t steal it.


6 posted on 12/21/2011 5:30:20 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: presidio9
Another excellent example of what passes for reasoned argument in the sophomoric minds of people who believe in the libertarian utopian model.

Oh, by the way, if one is going to use a metaphor, he should make certain that the metaphor is correctly used. Sauron forged (created) the ring. Corporations didn't create "the power of the state," the people and the electorate created "the power of the state"--the voters who believe in the Marxist utopia. "The power of the state" created corporations.

The author and his referenced source for the bad metaphor got it completely wrong. Another example of an unsophisticated mind attempting to deal with sophisticated concepts.

In that way, Marxists and Libertarians are very much alike.
7 posted on 12/21/2011 5:30:20 PM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: presidio9

As a cap-L Libertarian, my response is:

Is this a Govt.(policy)-induced crisis? YES.

Does that mean you have the right to seize property with that cause-&-effect political situation fully in mind? NO.


8 posted on 12/21/2011 5:31:37 PM PST by 4Liberty (88% of Americans are NON-UNION. We value honest, peaceful Free trade-NOT protectionist CARTELS)
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To: presidio9

So, if the writter leaves his car outside I can take it for my own.


9 posted on 12/21/2011 5:35:05 PM PST by stockpirate (Romney and Ann Coulture are Big Government socialists.)
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To: presidio9

The protesters aren’t, in the main, “taxpayers”. So much for that so called line of reasoning.


10 posted on 12/21/2011 5:38:55 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: presidio9

There is no libertarian case for taking something that doesn’t belong to you, to include an innocent life.


11 posted on 12/21/2011 5:46:35 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: presidio9

“The monopoly of capital becomes a fetter upon the mode of production which has flourished alongside and under it. The centralisation of the means of production and the socialization of labor reach a point at which they become incompatible with their capitalist integument. This integument is burst asunder. The knell of capitalist private property sounds. The expropriators are expropriated.”

This passage can be regarded as the final conclusion of Marx’s entire theory. There is little doubt that these words fired the imagination of Lenin and his followers. The new rulers of Russia faced a huge task of transforming the relations of ownership and of organizing and managing production in a new way. They were determined to overhaul the country’s life along socialist lines as quickly as possible and to institute a centrally planned economy. They wanted the state to control all economic activity: to define priorities, allocate resources, and determine prices and wages. In other words, from the beginning, the Soviet economy was conceived as a “command economy,” that is, one based on instructions issued from above and not on the law of supply and demand.


12 posted on 12/21/2011 5:50:12 PM PST by griswold3 (Character is Destiny)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
There is no libertarian case for taking something that doesn’t belong to you, to include an innocent life.

Perhaps, but according to Ron Paul it is unconstitutional to tell people they can't help teenagers cross state lines so they can take those lives themselves.

Ron Paul has a 56% rating from the National Right to Life Council. He is by far the least pro-life of any of the Republican candidates, including Mitt Romney.

13 posted on 12/21/2011 5:54:25 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

There is no “case” for occupying property that does not belong to the occupier. It’s called trespass. Once those who have property rights (e.g., banks ) decline to exercise those rights and prosecute trespassers as they pertain to properties in foreclosure, they will forfeit them or lose them entirely. Banks and other big businesses have for many years played to the public relations fear that prosecuting anyone for infringing on stockholders’ rights was not worth the projected loss of public esteem and goodwill and risk of being publicly excoriated by the media, all supposedly “bad” for business. So big business doesn’t prosecute instead they drop charges or settle cases out of court. That is the way the law works and it is one of the nasty little secrets the communist lawyers don’t tell you about. Once the concept of private property rights is lost through constant forfeiture and failure to enforce those rights, the entire underlying foundation for individual freedom goes with it. The two are inextricably intertwined. We are at a dangerous crossroads when private property rights are looked upon as decadent, odd, unfair or otherwise immoral by the average person in the street as well as by big business.


14 posted on 12/21/2011 6:35:42 PM PST by 4Runner
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To: presidio9

Say what?

Naaaah. This guy is a poser. There is no “libertarian argument” for stealing property. Antithetical to the entire philosophy.


15 posted on 12/21/2011 7:14:08 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: Sudetenland

“Another excellent example of what passes for reasoned argument in the sophomoric minds of people who believe in the libertarian utopian model.”

No. It’s just an excellent example of someone posing as a libertarian for the sake of causing them disrepute. No more valid than someone writing an article entitled “the conservative case for letting children starve.”


16 posted on 12/21/2011 7:16:45 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: presidio9
"The libertarian case for ‘occupying’ foreclosed homes"

Commie liars.


17 posted on 12/21/2011 7:27:33 PM PST by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: presidio9
Send the Sheriff to move 'em out.

If they resist, shoot 'em dead.

18 posted on 12/21/2011 8:14:38 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: All

Oh, and this guy gives libertarians a bad name.


19 posted on 12/21/2011 8:15:29 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: presidio9

There isn’t one.


20 posted on 12/21/2011 8:17:57 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: decimon

The fact that theses banks were bailed out at Taxpayer expense and received the most of their money from the Goverment printing press that is the Federal reserve(At dollar holders expense).


21 posted on 12/21/2011 8:49:06 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise
The fact that theses banks were bailed out at Taxpayer expense and received the most of their money from the Goverment printing press that is the Federal reserve(At dollar holders expense).

Looking at just the complaints of the OWS crowd, most Americans would likely find some common ground. But that means squat for what most of the OWS crowd would do as 'remedy.' Most advocate something socialist.

Regarding the article by Brian Anderson, I say he is trying and failing to find a libertarian angle in the situation.

22 posted on 12/21/2011 8:59:49 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

I could not disagree with you on that.


23 posted on 12/21/2011 9:18:52 PM PST by Monorprise
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