Your Move, Beijing: Big Year Ahead for Chinese Navy

AOL Defense ^ | December 23, 2011 | David Axe

[sukhoi-30mki]

Your Move, Beijing: Big Year Ahead for Chinese Navy

At a meeting in Beijing in December, Chinese president Hu Jintao had a powerful message for officials from the People's Liberation Army Navy. "Prepare for war," Hu said, using a Mandarin term -- junshi douzheng -- that means "conflict in general."

Amplified and misrepresented by the foreign media, Hu's words echoed across Asia and the Pacific Ocean, alarming observers in Japan, India and other nations and eliciting a cool response from the U.S. Navy. "Nobody's looking for a scrap here," Adm. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman, told AFP. "Certainly we wouldn't begrudge any other nation the opportunity to develop naval forces."

"Hu was highlighting the importance of continued naval modernization," pointed out M. Taylor Fravel, a professor of security studies at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. The Chinese president's statement "does not refer to a desire to go war, much less preparations for specific combat operations," Fravel said.

But the tizzy over Mandarin semantics belies a more serious issue. In a little less than a decade -- about as long as it takes the U.S. to fund, build and commission a single aircraft carrier -- the PLAN has evolved from a coastal defense force to the early stages of a blue-water navy worthy of concern.

As part of its 11th five-year military plan beginning in 2006, China has: commissioned dozens of new frigates, destroyers, submarines and amphibious ships; begun sea trials of the country's first aircraft carrier, the former Soviet Varyag; deployed ships overseas for the first time in modern Chinese history; and developed a "carrier-killer" system that combines ocean-surveillance satellites, drones and maneuverable Anti-Ship Ballistic Missiles.

The past few years have

[randomhero97]

That's the quote of the poster I responded to.

Oh, and I agree. However, neither of those nations would get close enough for us to need to use our guns. They can barely project power on their own Continent let alone across the oceans. Our ability to project power is unheard of in the history of civilization. Great Britain could do it but not with the precision we can.

I'm not a "homer" by any means but I do know a little bit about our capabilities.

[ROTB]

I looked it up after I asked you. Destroyers, Frigates, Subs, ...

I still don’t understand why torpedoes can’t be programmed to dodge or go under everything and head straight for a carrier. If so, can torpedoes be shot down the way patriot missiles can shoot down Scuds?

[ROTB]

“Worse, China and Russia have formed a military alliance even bringing Pakistan into their military alliance; the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. “

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2810247/posts

Russians are an oil exporter, and the Arabs have as much as us, and Venezuela has plenty.

Please read the following also.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2681926/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2677073/posts

[ROTB]

Please read the following. They are all against us, and they have plenty of help from the inside, especially if the Right or Left revolt against the government.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2810247/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2681926/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2677073/posts

A civil war would invite invasion. We’d be too distracted to defend.

[Recon Dad]

“Worse, China and Russia have formed a military alliance even bringing Pakistan into their military alliance; the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. “

.....Cooperation Pacts aren't worth the paper they're printed on when it comes to energy and raw materials. The Chinese have had their eyes on Siberia forever and Pakistan plays the part of Italy in this triumvirate.

[Recon Dad]

“Worse, China and Russia have formed a military alliance even bringing Pakistan into their military alliance; the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. “

.....Cooperation Pacts aren't worth the paper they're printed on when it comes to energy and raw materials. The Chinese have had their eyes on Siberia forever and Pakistan plays the part of Italy in this triumvirate.

[sukhoi-30mki]

However there’s one big distinction there.

Germany and Japan for all the Axis power propaganda were essentially lone rangers with no realistic allies. China has created an alliance of rogue states at vital locations, including with nuclear weapons.

Draw a line from Iran via Pakistan via Myanmar via North Korea. They seem conveniently close to China’s oil routes from the Gulf.

[American Constitutionalist]

" There is no power without oil. "

There is no electricity in China without USA's coal, or food without the USA's ability to produce food.

[American Constitutionalist]

" There will be some manufactured incident, but the real cause will be OIL. "

Not only Oil, but, coal, clean water, raw materials, and the ability to transport it all safely over wide open or strategically dangerous open seas.

[American Constitutionalist]

You won't even need to attack any Chinese strategic military assets ( as if they actually got any other than their nuclear force ) just cut off their ability to produce anything... in other words, cut off their ability to produce or transport oil, the ability to feed their coal operated power plants.
Oh, yeah ? cut off their food supply.
They got some major dams that our military could make havoc with.
Mainland China is about or almost the size of the continental USA ?
Who has the greater ability to be self sustaining ?
What is China's ability to produce food to feed their population ? they are about the same size as the continental USA buy with a much greater population who will be hungry when their food supply with be cut off, they will be busy fighting us and their domestic population.

[American Constitutionalist]

" But they wouldn't. We don't allow ourselves to fight wars in ways in which civilian casualties might be a possibility."

It depends what kind of war your talking about.... a politically correct war, then, yes, your right, but in a all out full fledged war where your fighting to survive ? all is fair in love and war... wonder if our generals will say " the heck with this political correct crap, deploy the nukes " .... it will come down to Obama ( Capt. Philip Francis Queeg ) against our generals...

[American Constitutionalist]

" What’s to keep any subs from any country from launching a full spread against any of our carriers and taking it out? "

Because they would be taken out in short order ? and they know it ?

[American Constitutionalist]

I would go with the USA's plan A with developing our own oil and gas and pay down our debt and see where it develops from there.
We can always engage in a war in Iran to keep oil prices high for the very purpose to keep fuel prices high for China.

[American Constitutionalist]

” The Cubans and Venezuelans would be obliterated in a day with just one carrier battle group. “ or strategically placed small nuke, or bunker buster.

[American Constitutionalist]

" Do you know what consists of a battle group? "

It should be reworded " Do you know what consists of a battle group that you don't see or that is obvious "

[American Constitutionalist]

“Worse, China and Russia have formed a military alliance even bringing Pakistan into their military alliance; the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. “......

How did that security pack with Nazi Germany work out for the Soviet Union during WWII ?

[American Constitutionalist]

If we can produce our own oil and gas, the gulf will lose it's importance in the long run other than oil prices rising on the world markets, but from a military perspective, it's a strategic advantage to have your own oil fields. i.e. North Dakota oil boom going on now.
How hard would it be ? for us to convert out diesel powered ships and military equipment to natural gas ?

We are now exporting more oil and natural gas than we ever have in the last 30 years.

[American Constitutionalist]

China simply does not have coal reserves as we do, nor do they have the ability to produce food as we do, not that they actually care about their people.
China won't be able to produce anything without their power plants.
No coal, no electricity.

[ROTB]

“Worse, China and Russia have formed a military alliance even bringing Pakistan into their military alliance; the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. “
.....Cooperation Pacts aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on when it comes to energy and raw materials. The Chinese have had their eyes on Siberia forever and Pakistan plays the part of Italy in this triumvirate.

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They would break the pact AFTER wiping us out. Then they could divide the USA.

[ROTB]

” What’s to keep any subs from any country from launching a full spread against any of our carriers and taking it out? “

Because they would be taken out in short order ? and they know it ?

*****

The sub or subs? Isn’t that a good trade? give up a sub, nail a carrier?