That would only be true until 1795 when this law was repealed.
Posted on 01/02/2012 9:42:46 AM PST by SvenMagnussen
Me too, but only when I care about an issue. This is not an issue I care much about other than to keep people whom I regard to be on my side as well informed as I can.
As near as I can tell, the evidence is pretty conclusive that the "Colon" Birth certificate floating around on the net is fake. (Not that it matters at this point anyway.) I think it does a disservice to our side to repeat information which is demonstrably not true.
If you want to know what I consider important, ask me about what evidence I have in support of the correct meaning of "natural born citizen." :)
There was no hospital on the base.
As to the second link, I see nothing indicating anything about the BC in question. Should I explore all 21 sublinks?
The Certificate of Birth PDF (filed 7/21/08) under the SURREPLY to Reply to Objection to MOTION to Dismiss First Amended Complaint PDF (filed 7/21/08) is such a poor image as to be practically unreadable, let alone proof of anything.
Anyway, I'm willing to accept that the BC showing Colón as fake, and the magical no-one-has-an-actual-copy CZ BC as genuine.
McCain is not now, nor has he ever been, Constitutionally qualified to hold the office of President of the United States.
As such, he was the neutered candidate of choice to run against The Won.
As is Mitt.
Now there is an intelligent response. You have a problem with the Constitution sir?
Since his father was in service to his country and deployed abroad in that service, I don't care if he was born in a taxi in downtown Moscow, he is a natural born citizen and eligible for any office in the country.
Yes there was. Please read the article and look at the evidence.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/john_mccains_birthplace.html
"The birth certificate was signed by Captain W. L. Irvine. I have now checked that name against the Naval Register for 1936."
If you follow the link regarding "William Lorne Irving" you will see that he was stationed at the "Submarine Base Coco Solo C.Z." (Canal Zone.)
John McCain was born at Coco Solo Submarine Base Hospital,his birth certificate was signed by Captain W. L. Irvine. He was born in U.S. territory to U.S. citizens. He most definitely is a Natural Born Citizen.
I think IAGeezer 912 make 3 good points. What, he didn't want his BC to list him as negro? Why? When? One has to admit that the POS released by Obummer is a highly suspect electronic document that bears highly suspicious taints and suggests it is not real, genuine or original in nature. Why would SM be so quick to doubledown on OHomo's document when none of us have ever seen ANY documents, real paper hard documents available for investigation ON ANY TOPIC! The guy literally doesn't exist for God's sake!
That would only be true until 1795 when this law was repealed.
Panama born McCain was pretty quiet on Constitutional requirement issues as well...
Wonder why the establishment elitists of both parties are so hell-bent on destroying the US Constitution?
They are who showed up on a search for McCain's fake birth certificate.
Anyway, I'm willing to accept that the BC showing Colón as fake, and the magical no-one-has-an-actual-copy CZ BC as genuine.
As that seems to be the truth, that is what I accept as well.
McCain is not now, nor has he ever been, Constitutionally qualified to hold the office of President of the United States.
Okay, now you've just confused me. If you accept that McCain was born on the Military base, how can you argue that he wasn't eligible? (Not that it matters a hill of beans at this point.)
As for Mitt, I haven't seen any evidence that his father and mother were not American Citizens. Being born in Mexico does not make his father a non-american. It just means he doesn't have 14th amendment citizenship. He still has derivative citizenship from HIS Father.
Now I don't care much for Mitt, (H3ll, I don't trust ANY North Eastern Republicans. I like Perry or Santorum.) but I don't see any reason to question his claim on citizenship. The evidence is going to have to get a lot better before I start taking this claim seriously.
Since his father was in service to his country and deployed abroad in that service, I don't care if he was born in a taxi in downtown Moscow, he is a natural born citizen and eligible for any office in the country.
That is my opinion also. I have long said that where an American Soldier stands, there is America Also. It is INSANE to suggest that those who are in our service in foreign lands are not entitled to every right and privileged which this nation can bestow.
Not that it matters, but John McCain was born a "natural citizen" in my opinion.
Ha! You must have thought that using the “3” instead of the “e” in h3ll disguised it. Ha!
When I was a kid, there was a gas station sign in our hometown (Esso - with the funny looking backwards “3” making the “E”). I really aggravated my Daddy by insisting that it was “3”sso instead of “E”sso. (He really thought I was serious and I never told him different.) Poor guy TRIED and TRIED to straighten me out on that; but I persisted in my obnoxious way. - Then for a reward he still got me a cold drink and a pack of peanuts to pour into my drink.
Ha Ha! I still get a kick out of that. Poor guy!
So you take as ‘the truth’ something reported by a Washington Post reporter. That reminds me of when a Boston Globe reporter covered for John Kerry when he wouldn’t release something. I can’t remember what that was, however.
Vattel. Jus sanguinis certainly, jus soli no. To be a Natural Born Citizen, you need to have satisfied both conditions.
Is he a citizen? Yes, unquestionably, by all means, and by any accepted definition.
The Founding Fathers, in their wisdom, clearly intended that the President be more, that he be that clearest and purest form of American, one who was both born here, and born of two American citizen parents. They recognized that he needed to be above any hint of foreign allegiance or entanglements.
Just suppose McCain had been elected: What would be his appropriate response should what happened in Honduras have happened in Panama?
ANY response he gave, whether he supported the Panamanian Constitution or the Panamanian Zelaya would be subject to endless second guessing and challenges. (A lack of a response would be a sign of weakness...)
It does matter very much.
but John McCain was born a "natural citizen" in my opinion.
Too bad there has been no legal definition of Natural Born Citizen since 1795.
It is INSANE to suggest that those who are in our service in foreign lands are not entitled to every right and privileged which this nation can bestow.
Perhaps. The founding Fathers did have to be a bit crazy to rebel against King George.
As a Marine Corps Brat, I resented the fact that my classmates born abroad could never be president. I understand the wisdom of that now.
The Constitution exists to limit governmental power.
Huh?
That makes him a natural born citizen. "Natural born" simply means citizen by birth, as opposed to naturalization.
Some Obots want to stay focused on birth location because they know Obama's Certificate of Naturalization is the key to his ineligibility for POTUS.
What certificate? Why would he have needed to be naturalized?
Actually, no, it doesn't. As the SCOTUS ruled, natural born means "without doubt." It was a characterization reserved EXCLUSIVELY for those who are born in the country to citizen parents. If you're not, then there would be doubt. This has been shown to be so in several decisions.
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