Posted on 02/02/2012 4:17:25 PM PST by fred4prez
"In July 1996, the 14-year-old daughter of Robert Gay, a partner at Bain Capital, had disappeared," the story reads. "She had attended a rave party in New York City and gotten high on ecstasy. Three days later, her distraught father had no idea where she was. Romney took immediate action. He closed down the entire firm and asked all 30 partners and employees to fly to New York to help find Gay’s daughter. Romney set up a command center at the LaGuardia Marriott and hired a private detective firm to assist with the search. He established a toll-free number for tips, coordinating the effort with the NYPD, and went through his Rolodex and called everyone Bain did business with in New York and asked them to help find his friend’s missing daughter. Romney’s accountants at Price Waterhouse Cooper put up posters on street poles, while cashiers at a pharmacy owned by Bain put fliers in the bag of every shopper. Romney and the other Bain employees scoured every part of New York and talked with everyone they could – prostitutes, drug addicts – anyone.
"That day, their hunt made the evening news, which featured photos of the girl and the Bain employees searching for her. As a result, a teenage boy phoned in, asked if there was a reward, and then hung up abruptly. The NYPD traced the call to a home in New Jersey, where they found the girl in the basement, shivering and experiencing withdrawal symptoms from a massive ecstasy dose. Doctors later said the girl might not have survived another day. Romney’s former partner credits Mitt Romney with saving his daughter’s life, saying, ‘It was the most amazing thing, and I’ll never forget this to the day I die.’
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And the answer is that they are heretical - as they are.
Of course they are blasphemous, etc.
And I will note that this statement does not set up a rating system of one heresy against another, nor does it exclude the possibility of other Christian groups with beliefs even more outre.
My point is -so what ? You are all heretics with unsound doctrines. We get along, more or less, why shouldn’t we get along with Mormons ?
I still don’t understand what you are after here.
I have never stated that the Mormons weren’t heretical.
The beliefs stated below are NOT unusual among Christian heresies, in historical fact.
I certainly do not want to be a Mormon !
I don’t want to be a Jehovah’s Witness either.
But none of these things have a bearing on who I want to vote into office, and I say that if we are willing to vote for a Catholic or Episcopalian or Baptist or a Jew or a Sikh, we should be indifferent if the candidate is a Mormon.
I am saying that if P is willing to tolerate C, and C tolerate P, and both tolerate J, B, H, and etc., then C and P should be willing to tolerate M.
C and P have a long and troubled history, If we can get over that then we can and should get over our disagreements with M.
Er, so then Mormons aren’t fit for public office because of religious differences ? The Jews are completely out of luck then I suppose.
And EVERY point in your selective list can be and has been used in religious controversies among Christian sects.
Then why do you constantly keep calling Mormons heretic, which the Catholic church says they are not?
Apparently you did not read what I wrote, so I am repeating it:
YOU SAID: The simple truth of it is that if you call yourself Christian and are not Catholic, then you are a heretic.
I REPLIED: Huh? I’ll have to let my cousin, the Nun that, she considers herself a Christian. In fact she just had a celebration fifty years in her order, nice party. As a side note she refers to herself first as a Christian who also happens to be Catholic. I am sure she will love to hear your take on the whole thing. I have on my Dad’s side uncles, aunts, and cousins galore and they ALL say they are Christian first then Catholic, I’ll let them know as well. Pretty sure they will be surprised, then laugh.
Just saw this post, if you really beleive that Unitarian are in away related to Christianity you are more delusional than I thought.
Burning - post #261
Your cousin (and my aunt) are nuns.
They are Christian
They are Catholic
They are not heretics
I worked for a Mennonite
He is a Christian
He is not a Catholic
He is a heretic
Who says they dont call them heretics ? Of course they are; as heretical as Albigensians or Bogomils.
They say they are Christian.
If you want to write the definition to exclude them, feel free to do so, but that is a quixotic undertaking. Christianity as a concept is broad and fuzzy. There are “sort of” Christians all over.
The Catholic church says that Mormons are not Christian, you use the word heretic to describe Christians, something is not adding up. Not only do you seem confused, you are doing a pretty good job of muddling through every phony Romney and Mormon defense that you can muster, but it is all a weird mishmash of gibberish and far flung, evasive, slippery, unfocused nonsense.
“Cardinal” Joseph Ratzinger, The Meaning of Christian Brotherhood, pp. 87-88: “The difficulty in the way of giving an answer is a profound one. Ultimately it is due to the fact that there is no appropriate category in Catholic thought for the phenomenon of Protestantism today (one could say the same of the relationship to the separated churches of the East). It is obvious that the old category of ‘heresy’ is no longer of any value. Heresy, for Scripture and the early Church, includes the idea of a personal decision against the unity of the Church, and heresy’s characteristic is pertinacia, the obstinacy of him who persists in his own private way. This, however, cannot be regarded as an appropriate description of the spiritual situation of the Protestant Christian. In the course of a now centuries-old history, Protestantism has made an important contribution to the realization of Christian faith, fulfilling a positive function in the development of the Christian message and, above all, often giving rise to a sincere and profound faith in the individual non-Catholic Christian, whose separation from the Catholic affirmation has nothing to do with the pertinacia characteristic of heresy. Perhaps we may here invert a saying of St. Augustine’s: that an old schism becomes a heresy. The very passage of time alters the character of a division, so that an old division is something essentially different from a new one. Something that was once rightly condemned as heresy cannot later simply become true, but it can gradually develop its own positive ecclesial nature, with which the individual is presented as his church and in which he lives as a believer, not as a heretic. This organization of one group, however, ultimately has an effect on the whole. The conclusion is inescapable, then: Protestantism today is something different from heresy in the traditional sense, a phenomenon whose true theological place has not yet been determined.”
My “what did I say about burning?” was rhetorical.
The point is that we no longer fight or persecute each other, or even hold such religious tests for our secular leaders. We no longer “burn” each other. Hence we should not “burn” Mormons.
The job of a CEO is to make things happen, especially when there is an unexpected crisis. The fact that this CEO's name didn't appear in a contemporaneous account is of no significance.
The author of the NYT article was remiss in not checking who was CEO of Bain. If she had, it might have clicked — Oh, that guy. Didn't he run against Ted Kennedy a couple of years ago?
— and the unessential detail would have enhanced her story.
That is the private view (and people are permitted to have private views in the Church)of our present Pope. It is also in fact my personal view. He is a brilliant and perceptive man, of enormous learning and compassion.
This is not doctrine however.
If he issues a decree (such as an encyclical) to this effect in his capacity as Pope then it would become doctrine.
Pope John Paul II says they aren't, but having seen many Catholics on Mormon threads, it seems that he and Catholic teachings don't carry much weight among pro-Mormon Catholics, who first loudly announce that they are Catholic, and then proceed to fight like tigers for Mormonism as a Christian church.
Like I said before, this is a response to the post-death baptisms carried out by the Mormon church. If any Mormon baptism is held to be valid then all those spurious (in the eyes of the Church) post-death baptisms risk the implication of validity. This is an inter-church spat.
One of these days (or knowing how this goes, one of these centuries) this may get changed.
It does not get to the crux of my point - It does not matter what Mormon doctrine is; we tolerate other politicians, leaders, business partners, and etc., of various faiths in spite of extreme differences and our often bloody histories. Mormons should be no exception.
The Catholic church says that Mormons are not Christian, you use the word heretic to describe Christians, something is not adding up.
Ok, here is where we are.
You defend mormonISM and call Christians heretics.
You pimp Romney and call people who do not support him anti-mormon.
You say you will support Romney over BHO even thought they are the same.
You say you are Catholic yet..........
Sorry I do not beleive you any longer.
Based on all you have posted, and all of your replies on this thread......I would say you have lying for the Lord down pat. Yep, you really did well on that lesson about answering questions that should have been answered. A+
You are Catholic?
Why would you make up such a false and insulting, and demeaning tale for the Catholic church, and Pope John Paul II?
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