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Posted on 02/04/2012 3:04:36 AM PST by JSDude1
We conservatives (and tea partiers, ect) feel trapped in the Republican Party, right?
With the Republican establishment on the verge of foisting another "moderate" (-see liberal-leftist) on us as the supposed "conservative" standard-bearer (against one of the worse Presidents in US history). I believe the establishment figures 'hey where ya gonna go'?
Well the have a point to a degree, and I am about on the verge of saying "screw the Republican Party" lets vote 3rd party (conservative).
Of course our system of being in nature a representative republic, as well as not a parliamentary system, and the monopoly of ballot-access laws (passed by both Republicans and Democrats) makes it difficult for a 3rd party to arise (also the nature of the public which through both name recognition and fear will find it hard to vote 3rd party).
With that said I have a few ideas on how to successfully create a 3rd party (conservative) political party. And to succeed and win at this.
1st, I believe most 3rd parties make the mistake of focusing on national elections rather than local election, and then state races. In our system it is easier to win locally and statewide, and to gain "access to the system". The next successful conservative political party needs to do this (especially in cases where the local republicans are just as corrupt and/or liberal as the national party-or WORSE).
Secondly we need to advocate for a change in ballot access laws so that 3rd parties can exists with a "fusion system" (The New York State political system), where in one party can "cross-nominate" candidates from other political parties: take one race in district "A" and in it might exist a real Reagan Republican/Christian Constitutionalist and in district "B" might exist a former democrat george-sorros/establishment "moderate" republican. In this instance the new conservative political party might decide to cross endorse in district "A", but in district "B" the will decide to field their own candidate against both the liberal-Republican and left-wing Democrat. Obviously drawing the logical conclusion here you can see how this would Force the Republican Party to accomdate the conservatives in that state-otherwise risk losing to the liberal Democrat (or in best case scenario being replaced by) the conservative in that race!~
Once government has been proved good by local races "won" by new conservative politcal party members-that party can then expand easily state-wide then regionally because of its good-governing reputation!
Of course at the same time: we will want to continue the effort to "take-over" our national, state and local "Republican Parties"-as the Tea Party is currently doing (and I know that many of you are going to suggest as an alternative).
Also I believe the conservative movement should continue to exsist outside the Republican Party-and even to reach out to groups that we may have common interst with but haven't connnected to so far- conservative minorities, immigrants (legal!), as well other so called "Reagan Democrats".
I am just sick of the monopoly and the old saying "hold your nose" because the Democrat is worse!~
Just my 2, -J.S.
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Laurencia would be a huge step up from Obama or Romney! I’m holding out for Gingrich, but I may write in Fierro if Newt does not get the nomination.
Two simple words: Runoff Elections. Without that I am not interested in third parties, period.
America will get the President they deserve.
We have a huge disadvantage compared to them. They think power comes from the barrel of a gun, used to impose their will, and that the best form of power and the highest calling in life are through government control. Their best people (don't laugh just because Obama is the one they put in our White House - he was selected as electable despite his absence of American values because of white guilt, while we would have rejected any other communist) are attracted toward positions of power. We think individual freedom comes from the barrel of a gun, used to defend against criminals and tyrants, and that the highest calling in life is through service to God and to others in free and voluntary interactions, where individuals choose whether they wish to accept what we produce and offer. Our best and brightest are repulsed by the corruption, cronyism, and overreach of government.
There is a solution, but it will be hard for us because decent people are not drawn to government in the way that communists, thugs, and tyrants are. We have to stay as serious about politics as we were in 2009-2010. We have to serve either in elective office at the local and state level, or in an advisory or consulting capacity to support conservatives in those offices. We have to make all decisions as political decisions. Just as many conservatives are boycotting GM forever, we need to refer to our values in all economic decisions, since that is where we have the most political power. We need to shun all corrupt companies and businesses and stay involved rather than going home when we win. The other side doesn't go home when they lose - they keep at it. They don't rethink their position when they are rejected at the ballot box, they try for administrative regulations, court orders, criminal intimidation, threats of civil lawsuits, and any other ploy they can think of. We accept the will of our neighbors, while they ignore what others want and seek only to impose their will. Most of all, we have to hijack the GOP, work tirelessly to put electable conservatives on the ballot in the primaries, to elect those conservatives in the general election, and then to support them in their work and if they remain faithful to individual freedom and limited government to reelect them.
A viable alternative!
AFTER the 2012 Election (when we’re stuck with The Messiah for a second Term of Destruction) is when a 3rd Party movement will be productive. Doing it now would only ASSURE a Second Term, with a split vote between Romney-the-RINO, and His Emminence.
A two party system in America is a myth. There is only one party, the BOHICA Party, with two factions who argue only about degree, not substance.
One faction, the late, unlamented GOP, tries to be moderate. The other faction continually moves toward totalitarianism; which the next shift to the left, the other faction needs to stay in the middle thus it moves leftward, also.
Pretty soon you have candidates, such as McCain (2008)and the presumptive Romney (2012), that are the hollow men.
Third parties don’t succeed unless one of the existing parties is collapsing. The Republicans were a successful third party, replacing the Whigs. Other third parties have their platforms adopted by major parties, as was the case with the Progressives in the 1890’s. And, of course, the Socialists, who had all their policies adopted by the Democratic Party.
Do you want push for Constitutional amendments that would make us more like a European parliamentary system. I think it would be easier to volunteer time and take over your local GOP and do the change from the bottom up.
The lesson here is that the Republican establishment promotes a slower form of creeping socialism....that is less honest than the in-your-face socialism of the present regime. At least we know what we are fighting against with Obama, with Romney we'd never know.
The Libertarian Party was established over 40 years ago in direct response to the perceived statism of the then Nixon administration. They’ve been laboring in the wilderness for the last 40 years and contrary perhaps to the opinion of many FReepers, they’re a relatively bright and motivated bunch. If they couldn’t pull it off after 40 years, then traditional conservatives aren’t going to pull it off either.
The last third party to achieve major party status was the GOP in the 1860’s.
“Third parties don’t succeed unless one of the existing parties is collapsing.”
Is it such a bad idea to help speed that collapse along? If we reject a Romney nomination and stay home in November, that may be what happens. But it may kill the republic, too.
“Rather than trying openly to outpoll the top two in America, they simply hijacked the party closest to their beliefs. It took a few decades, but they now have absolute control over what used to be a patriotic Democrat Party.”
Bingo. Third parties can either try to buck the establishment, or they can try over time to become the establishment. The second path is usually the more successful one.
A rhetorical question to think about: what do you think Ron Paul and his merry band of libertarians are up to?
Imho we don’t need to “vote” third party.
We need to create a third party. The Tea Party.
The GOP is collapsing.
Look at it. What does it stand for?
Patriotism? (no). America? (no) Faith? (no)
As far as I can tell, the only thing the GOP stands for anymore is importing crap from communist China.
The Tea Party power and success was a reactive mood swing of the electorate against Obamacare being shoved down its throat.
However, Obamacare is not yet seen or felt by design.
Political psychologists could see a reaction of anger would dissipate over time in Obama’s 1st term as nothing much happened as a result of passage of the healthcare bill.
Romney’s people are positioning moderately to not repeal the Act but to selectively eliminate portions of it.
Obamacare is now law of the land and it will be upheld by the Supreme Court because it will be presented as a tax much in the same way that Social Security overcame its challengers by relying on the 16th Amendment to characterize it as a tax.
As the slowness of the change of Obamacare and other anger generators such as all the bailouts progress, the solidarity of the Tea Party will dissolve and the statists will consolidate power.
Look at the history of Poland for answers.
SOLIDARITY is what the Poles retained to overthrow their Communist dictators
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/opinion/the-rise-and-fall-of-solidarity.html
but it was not the trigger nor the catalyst. The catalyst was the visit of Pope John Paul II, particularly the visit to the Blonie Field:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122479408458463941.html
(Scroll down about half way to read about the Blonie Field). The writer says 2 or 3 million people showed up maybe more, but in fact more than 7 million people showed up. And consider that Poland’s population at the time was about 40 million people.
The Statist takedown of the United States will not end until God wants it to end. In the meantime the American people should focus on their relationship with God and be ready.
Pray for leaders that will invigorate the soul of the American spirit, that will be trusted beyond what the statist media attempt to portray.
Solidarity of purpose in the Tea Party may perhaps wane but can resurge under the inspiration of leaders that make Americans proud to be American and who highlight a clear contrast with statists.
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