Military Is Telling Catholic Chaplains What They Can And Can't Say About the Obama Administration

Business Insider ^ | Feb 3, 2012 | Michael Brendan Dougherty

[bkopto]

The emerging conflict between the Catholic Church and the Obama administration may have a new front: in the U.S. military itself.

The Catholic Church is fighting mad about an HHS ruling that would have them buy insurance for things they consider sinful–contraception, sterilization and abortion.

All the bishops in the country sent out a letter to be read in their parishes promising that the Church "cannot-and will not-comply with this unjust law."

Even Archbishop Timothy Broglio, who is in charge of Catholic military chaplains sent out the same letter.

But after he did, the Army's Office of the Chief of Chaplains sent out another communication forbidding Catholic priests to read the letter, in part because it seemed to encourage civil disobedience, and could be read as seditious against the Commander-in-Chief.

More than one Catholic chaplain who spoke to us off the record confirmed that many chaplains disobeyed this instruction and read the letter anyway.

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The letter also tries to clarify to priests that the Archbishop's letter "concerns a moral, not a political issue."

While it is true that soldiers do not have an unlimited right to free speech or political action, the military does not want to strain relations with the Catholic Church and its chaplains who provide services to many service members of all faiths.

[Quix]

He’s a danger to freedom.

That has to be the understatement of the year . . .

He's been shredding our freedoms as fast as his pen could sign regulations on all his breaks from the golf course and vacations.

His Marxist, globalist, socialist bosses who reared, trained and installed him . . . have been shredding our Constitution and our freedoms for AT LEAST 60-110 years.

And he's just getting started . . . Near total destruction of our economy is well underway.

As ordered . . . he's set up utter chaos, riots in the streets and martial law close at hand--BY THEIR DESIGN. . . . probably followed by WW3.

Puhlousey knows what's ahead. That's why she said what she did about Newt.

[OldEagle]

" The home front is never mobilized for war, nor willing to do what it takes to vanquish our enemies. The whole thing is a charade."

I totally agree with you and came to the same conclusion during the Vietnam conflict. In WWII this entire country was mobilized. My brother and I collected tin cans for the war effort and were rewarded with a Saturday war movie.

Totally different when I was in Vietnam and ever since.

[OldEagle]

"The voters are in charge of the government."

You are absolutely correct however, the government has voted out the voter.

[tillacum]

We’re holding a fund raiser here for a local Republican. I don’t trust the RNC. In fact I’m a bit concerned about this campaign. I also wonder WHY a convention is needed, seeing as how rumney now has ?? so many more delegates than anyone else campaigning. It would be a waste of money and according to the RNC, they need every penny they can get to remove nobama from OUR whitehouse.

[tillacum]

This government has NO shame. Listen to the grifter in OUR whitehouse tell one lie after another. His minions in the democrat side are no better than he is, as are some of our own republicans. Republicans, instead of standing against this administration they sit on their hands.

[tillacum]

I’ve not heard what Puhlousey said about Newt. Good or otherwise?

[redgolum]

Not judging any priest for this, but if the Military says you have to go against your faith to stay a chaplain, then you tell the Military no.

I can see why an individual would feel they had to comply with the fedgov, but you have to decide who you are going to serve.

[redgolum]

Third, one hopes the chief had some strategy in mind that missed the eye, because otherwise he deserves a dunce cap.

It was a demonstration of power. Basically, telling the Catholic chaplains that Caesar demands his pinch of incense, and the Pope can go pound sand. It worked just as planned.

The Chaplain core (which you are/were a member of if I remember right) was just told that they serve the State, not God. Similar tricks have been done in other places. There will be more pressure, to the point where either the core goes away or becomes some sort of State religion.

[Quix]

Something to the effect that there was no way he’d end up in the Whitehouse—that she knew of something that was going to happen and it

“just was not going to happen” that he’d end up in the Whitehouse. No way.

from her perspective.

[verga]

From your lips to God’s and their ears FRiend

[Nowhere Man]

Does it seem to you as if WWII never ended? Because it sure is beginning to seem that way to me.

Yeah, either that or the Cold War never ended either. It just shifted gears from an external arena to a domestic one. We are in an ideological Cold War between us and them, we know who plays for which sides. I do see things getting hotter as time goes on starting with the 2000 elections to today.

I once asked when I was 17 in 1983, a few day after KAL-007 went down. I did out just for "craps and giggles" but actually to provoke a serious discussion as well. I asked, "what if the USSR became the USA and the USA became the USSR?" I then added, "what if we became the Evil Empire?" Dead silence but we had discussions of "What ifs." I know Russia is not exactly like the USA of old, but in many ways, she is getting close or there, but we seem to be headed to where the USSR was or even past it. Heck, some boozo was talking about regulating sugar, not even the USSR did that, yeah availability might be a problem from time to time but at least they didn't tell you want to eat. Getting back to my thought experiment, I think we are going to see it carried out in real life if things do not change.

[butterdezillion]

Not if the murder is legal “on its face”.

People don’t know that Adolf Hitler was very careful to couch his murderous plans in legalisms. The Nuremburg Act basically made Jews human livestock, just like the Dred Scott decision in the US, which if you look closely was reinstated through the language of Roe v Wade - which denied that the 14th Amendment’s use of the word “person” meant BIOLOGICAL person. They said it meant “legal person”, and if that is true then it never applied to Blacks because the Dred Scott decision (declaring Blacks to be human livestock in the eyes of the Constitution) was never overturned.

So basically Hitler passed a law all by himself that nullified the German Constitution (a power that the Reichstag actually handed over to Hitler in the Enabling Act of 1933) and declared that Jews did not have the legal protections as if they were “legal” persons. The people who exterminated the Jews were following LEGAL orders.

REalizing that puts a whole ‘nother bent on the scummy lawyers who were talking about how Lakin had to do whatever the chain of command tells him, as long as it is not criminal. I addressed the Nuremburg excuses of “I was just following orders”. If I had realized then what I know now I would have made sure they realized that the Nuremburg excuse was, “I was just following NON-CRIMINAL orders”.

And that’s exactly what forcing CAtholics to perform abortions is doing. Abortion is not criminal because the persons being killed are only BIOLOGICAL persons, not “legal” persons. The government has defined some biological persons out of legal personhood.

When sharia comes it will be really, really easy for them to take that precedent and with a great show of legality declare dhimmis to be only biological persons and not “legal” persons.

This is the Holocaust all over again. We are in the beginning stages of the Holocaust, and most people don’t see it even though their guts feel queasy and they can’t quite pinpoint why.

[butterdezillion]

“State religion” is the definition of sharia.

The Israeli press reported that in a TV interview the ambassador of Egypt had said he had spoken to Obama who had told him privately that Obama was and still is a Muslim who supports the Muslim agenda, and that the Muslim world should be patient with him because he had to finish up some domestic stuff (shoving Obamacare down our throats) before he could start working on the Islamic agenda.

The world Islamic agenda has always been the destruction of the US and Israel, and the establishment of worldwide sharia.

And sure enough, once Obamacare was crammed down our throats Obama set to work on “Arab Spring” - which has resulted in secular Middle East governments (who were supporting us in fighting the radical Islamists) being overthrown by radical Islamists.

Now we find out that Obamacare is going to be used to get Christians to give up Christianity. Once they’ve done that it will just be a matter of inserting sharia as the official state religion. All this going on while Hillary is meeting with radical Muslims to hear how they want the US to change to accommodate Muslims - these are people who say infidels are to be beheaded, and Hillary is taking advice from them on how things in our government should be.

The whole thing is surreal. We are watching the Muslim-in-Chief instate sharia right under our very noses. If we’re stupid enough to watch it happen, then we deserve what will be coming, and it’s not gonna be pretty.

Like Revelation level stuff. Because that’s where we’re at right now. The two beasts - corrupt government and corrupt religion - serving Satan the dragon.

I am astounded at the speed with which this is all happening. And Scripture makes it clear that the power-wielding is accomplished through economic means. Satan would control the economy. Interestingly, George Soros believes he is God, his entire fortune has been made by manipulating economies, and his allies are communists (corrupt government) and Islamists (corrupt religion). And Obama ascended to the White HOuse after somebody (who has managed to remain anonymous this whole time) made a run on the bank that sent the world into crisis.

People, we are in serious, serious uncharted territory here. On a Biblical level.

[hoosiermama]

Here's my take on the RNC. They are on the verge of suicide and don't even know it. .

REASON: The FL Fiasco. They have no way of knowing how the American people will vote in the next few months. If it is close immediately before the convention (when the rules committee meets,) they are in the precarious position.

No matter which side their decision falls (Romney gets-all or Newt's challenge wins/the vote is awarded proportionately) the GOP looses. It will be one large group VERY angry or the other larger GROUP even angrier.

The only winner is BhO.

The answer is to solve the issue NOW so the party has time to heal.

OR the push for Romney so he wins in such high numbers, they don't anger the conservatives right before convention.

It is important that the message to settle the conflict now is sent to national repeatedly and by many or we end up with Romney.

Please help spread the message. Encourage others to contact National RNC, early and often. Get them to decide the Florida Fiasco NOW!!!!!!. website@nrcc.org

[hoosiermama]

She was using step #7 IIRC from the ALinsky twelve step attack list....If you don’t have them they are in the FR Archive somewhere.

HAVE YOU USED A RULE FOR RADICALS TODAY?

Maybe Jim can put a link up where it is more convenient to find, so we can identify which step, Romney, the MSM and 0’s team are using against Newt and WE the People....(At least well know what hit us.)

[Vaduz]

He’s set up utter chaos.

He has made many powerful enemies and I’m sure they have planed well to remove him from any power he seeks.
His His Marxist, globalist, socialist bosses will be helpless.

[xzins]

As I see it, the bishop’s letter to the parishes was pure Catholicism. The opposed contraception and abortion and said they “cannot and will not comply”.

That was what EVERY OTHER parish is the US of A received. The Catholic parishes within the army were told something different because of government intervention.

Now, you tell me. Which is Catholicism? The Bishop version or the Army version? And if the army version isn’t allowed to be fully Catholic, then what religion is it, and whose religion is it?

This strikes at the heart of religion in America. And it strikes at the heart of the legitimacy of the Chaplain Corps.

The Chief blew this one big time. The Chief should have said, “No Catholic doctor, nurse, medical assistant, or medic should participate in any of these procedures due to their still legal religious beliefs.”

I think it was in Desert Storm that Chaplains were told to remove their crosses since they might offend muslims. That was “official”. Some wise lead chaplain called it BS and stood his ground until the crosses went back on.

Now that was leadership.

[wagglebee]

The Chaplain core (which you are/were a member of if I remember right) was just told that they serve the State, not God. Similar tricks have been done in other places. There will be more pressure, to the point where either the core goes away or becomes some sort of State religion.

This is essentially what was done in Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and Red China. The state finds some clergymen that they can influence and forms the STATE'S Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist, etc. Church and simply eliminates any theological doctrine they disagree with and then the state outlaws all other churches.

I've been saying for a long time that it's becoming increasingly necessary for orthodox Catholics and Protestants to get along with each other, because it won't be long before our common enemy puts us in jail cells and gulags together.

[hoosiermama]

Read your comment about the RNC wanting BO to win and wanted to share my thoughts at post above.

IOW they’ve got their tit in the wringer.

[RJS1950]

No, chaplains can speak out against the moral evil of forced abortions but they cannot, as military officers, couch it directly in the context of the civilian leadership and their policies.

Yes, der Fuehrer has declared war on Christianity and on Jews as well. He may at some point truly step across the line of abrogating the Constitution that even those in the military will not tolerate. At that point it won’t matter what prohibitions are in place regarding what the military says that the troops cannot do or say.

FUBO & FAD