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Catholic Outcry Over Obama Administration's Birth Control Decision Could Factor In Presidential Race
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| February 06, 2012
| James Rosen
Posted on 02/06/2012 10:18:11 PM PST by Steelfish
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posted on
02/06/2012 10:18:21 PM PST
by
Steelfish
The Roman Catholic Church, as a matter of doctrine, opposes the use of birth control.
In an op-ed published Monday in USA Today, the presidents top health official, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, defended the ruling as striking the right balance between respecting religious freedom and providing critical health services to women.
In fact, the edict from Obama goes far beyond birth control as FOX News eludes to, the edict also includes drugs that induce an abortion. Further, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius is a liar because no one, irrespective of their Religious Faith, is exempt. This destructive edict eviscerates the First Amendment of the US Constitution.
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posted on
02/06/2012 10:41:11 PM PST
by
pyx
(Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
To: pyx
"This destructive edict eviscerates the First Amendment of the US Constitution." I'm not sure the Church is really concerned about the Constitution; it is a global, if not universal, religion. IMHO - Obama isn't stupid and he won't endanger his reelection chances. He made this move to extract something from the Church, as opposed to just giving away an exemption. Obama owns the MSM and will control the dialogue. The Church has a history of cutting deals with "state control" oriented people like Obama* and will probably just do that again. Obama knows the history.
Don't be surprised if you see photo's him signing something before the election with Catholic Church leaders standing beside him smiling. The agreement will limit Church power in some way and the Church will get an acceptable exemption. The media will spin it for Obama.
* Yes, Mussolini and Hitler, but I didn't want to upset readers before I made my point.
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posted on
02/06/2012 10:59:17 PM PST
by
LZ_Bayonet
( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
To: FReepers; FRiends
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posted on
02/06/2012 11:01:49 PM PST
by
onyx
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To: Steelfish; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; ...
Great if they turn against Obama.
I keep seeing these ‘Catholic leaders’ show up on MSNBC complaining how they fought to get Obama-care passed while being promised by Obama(specific) exemptions of birth control coverage mandates on Catholic church related employers.
The more I think about their argument the less sympathy I have for them(these specific liberal Catholics) . If you think about it they supported Obama-care mandating that men have to pay for coverage for women's chest x-rays and reproductive services that they don't get, when they thought they would get this specific exemption for birth control coverage mandates.
My message to them : Welcome to the serfs club. Much like those who helped win the communist revolution in Russia found themselves sent to the Gulag.
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posted on
02/07/2012 12:39:29 AM PST
by
sickoflibs
(You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
To: Steelfish
It could help Santorum or even Gingrich, both Catholics.
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posted on
02/07/2012 12:42:50 AM PST
by
Yaelle
(Go Santorum!)
To: pyx
My question is: Do the Catholic medical institutions receive federal funding in any way?
If they do, if they take money from the feds - this is what happens. They have to dance to what the feds want.
The Catholic leadership went along with Obama on Obamacare, thinking that they would get an exemption, but now that has blown up in their faces. They made a deal with the devil and this is what they reap.
I know this is a different topic, but this is one reason I’m not sure I like the so-called “voucher” money for school choice. Once private schools take the voucher money, I can see the feds saying they are taking public money and must abide by government mandates.
To: Steelfish
I believe this is the first indication that Obama knows he's not going to be reelected, therefore, a scorched earth exit from the White House will be the standing order-of-the-day from here on out for all of the globalist progressives that he has surrounded himself with.
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posted on
02/07/2012 1:18:21 AM PST
by
Puckster
To: Steelfish
I think Obama the Universalist and Sibelius the atheist/ Wiccan (? )are going to find the Catholic majority on the Supreme Court is more Catholic than they thought. This is likely to do more to overturn ObamaCare than the individual mandate.
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posted on
02/07/2012 3:00:50 AM PST
by
gusopol3
To: rusty schucklefurd
My question is: Do the Catholic medical institutions receive federal funding in any way?
If they do, if they take money from the feds - this is what happens. Um, as Mark Steyn pointed out yesterday, filling in for Rush, it doesn't matter whether they take money from the feds or not -- the ruling applies to everyone. Also, since the rules cover insurers as well, there won't be any insurers who can offer anything but the ObamaCare standard.
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posted on
02/07/2012 3:05:07 AM PST
by
maryz
To: Steelfish
This is a huge setup. The White House will back down and “win” the Catholic vote once again. It’s just classic. And the Bishops will look like they used their authority — it’s a win-win for Big Church and Big Gov all at once. Sorry to be so cynical but there it is!
To: Steelfish
Our bishop put a how to vote Catholic flier in our October 2008 bulletins. The most important issues on how a Catholic should vote, according to him, were the issues of universal health care as a basic human right and the recognition that no humans are illegal. Now he doesn't like a provision in obama care. Well he has awakened covered with flees. He is also Joletts problem now. We're waiting for a new bishop.
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posted on
02/07/2012 3:46:51 AM PST
by
goodwithagun
(My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
To: LZ_Bayonet
What religious freedoms did the Catholic Church give up to Hitler or Mussolini?
To: Steelfish
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posted on
02/07/2012 4:28:31 AM PST
by
jmaroneps37
(Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
To: rusty schucklefurd
If they do, if they take money from the feds - this is what happens. They have to dance to what the feds want. For the 5,000th time on FR:
- This has nothing to do with "taking money from the feds". It's a mandate on ALL employers. It affects Catholic schools, which get no money from government at all, just as much as Catholic hospitals.
- You can't have a full-service hospital in this country and not take government money. Emergency rooms are required to treat all comers by law, or shut down. If you don't take Medicare and Medicaid, that means you treat a good 1/2 of your patients -- many of whom are the sickest patients you see -- for free. That's a recipe for bankruptcy, and quick bankruptcy at that.
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posted on
02/07/2012 5:07:10 AM PST
by
Campion
("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
To: Steelfish
This is only going to "factor in the presidential race" if a fair number of Catholics decide to vote against the pro-abort candidate, even if that is the candidate promising them more of other people's money.
I am skeptical, but not completely without hope.
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posted on
02/07/2012 5:11:01 AM PST
by
Notary Sojac
(Liberalism: Ideas so good, they have to be mandatory!!)
To: LZ_Bayonet
You must think Obama is the only one who remembers history. Study up on how many Catholics were martyred under the Communists and the Nazis sometime.
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posted on
02/07/2012 5:20:34 AM PST
by
Campion
("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
To: sickoflibs; NYer; The Mayor; Sun; Salvation; Condor51
FREUD WOULD HAVE A FIELD DAY WITH THIS GUY
Obama is very, v-e-r-y disturbed.......he exhibited the depths of his psychoses with this move against Catholics.
Obama seems to have a deep-seated need to devalue others (and their dearly-held beliefs).......as a way to bring others down to his level.
Devaluing others shores up Obama’s pathetic lack of self-esteem.
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posted on
02/07/2012 5:23:15 AM PST
by
Liz
To: LZ_Bayonet
After the Jews, Hitler went after the Priests. But since there wasn't 4,000,000 of them it got little press. Like the Gypsies and other trouble makers they're mostly forgotten now.
an aside: When I was a kid, a parish priest, Father Tony, was a 'guest' at one of Hitler's numerous 'Vacation Camps and Spas'. /s
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posted on
02/07/2012 5:38:35 AM PST
by
Condor51
(Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
To: Campion
Don't begrudge them another opportunity to rail against the giant Catholic edifice that haunts their imaginations.
I mean, so what if they alienate the numerous Catholics on this site who obviously didn't vote for Obama or support Obamacare? We must be complicit in some way, by failing to influence someone or not "excommunicating" someone else.
It must provide them with some kind of comfort.
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