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Santorum's Fight for Welfare Reform
National Review ^ | 1/4/2012 | Brian Bolduc

Posted on 02/16/2012 1:47:07 PM PST by FresnoRobert

As the junior senator from Pennsylvania, Rick Santorum shepherded welfare reform through the U.S. Senate in 1996. Given his limited tenure — he’d been elected to the Senate only two years before — the fact that Majority Leader Bob Dole selected Santorum to lead the effort is nothing short of remarkable, Santorum’s former colleagues say. It also is a testament to an overlooked virtue of the ex-senator’s: his pragmatism.

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For those who say Rick has accomplished nothing. He shepherded the welfare reform legislation through the Senate and according to those who were there showed remarkable leadership.
1 posted on 02/16/2012 1:47:19 PM PST by FresnoRobert
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To: afraidfortherepublic; American Constitutionalist; Antoninus; AuH2ORepublican; BlackElk; ...
Santorum for President Ping List.

FReepmail “Antoninus” to be added or removed.

2 posted on 02/16/2012 1:52:44 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: FresnoRobert

I have really been pleased with the Sen. Santorum surge.

I know Mr. Gingrich would be a pretty good POTUS but his negative perceptions are so strong, even among the right, I don’t know if they can be overcome.

But I am OK with either getting the nod — both are viable if they play their cards right.


3 posted on 02/16/2012 1:55:42 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: freedumb2003

Interesting .... but how do you feel about voting for a Romney/Santorum ticket?

That’s the plan.


4 posted on 02/16/2012 2:08:46 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Right_in_Virginia

>>Interesting .... but how do you feel about voting for a Romney/Santorum ticket?<<

Don’t get me wrong, but are you female? B/c Mrs. FD always does that “so, if I died would you remarry?” or “if I was so sick I couldn’t take care of myself, would you put me in a home?”

I try to avoid the avoidable until it becomes unavoidable.


5 posted on 02/16/2012 2:14:05 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: freedumb2003
Romney/Santorum is what the GOP establishment has planned.

I guess the GOP establish wants to know just how large a defeat it can orchestrate before the party is replaced.

6 posted on 02/16/2012 2:20:41 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: freedumb2003
I agree. I like Newt too but his negative public perception (unlikability) would be the topic of the election instead of Obama’s failings. Why allow them the ability to change the conversation and put forward a candidate that has to overcome that large of an uphill climb just to get people to like him?
7 posted on 02/16/2012 2:22:50 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: FresnoRobert
>> a candidate that has to overcome that large of an uphill climb just to get people to like him?<<

Look around this country and tell me if some guy who where’s 60’s and 70’s sweater vests and has the goody, goody image he does will poll better than a guy who has a lot of the same failings as most in this country have. Santorum may poll well with the 30% of conservatives he does at this point but in the general he’s going to be excoriated.

8 posted on 02/16/2012 2:51:46 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: FresnoRobert

We know that Romney is totally unelectable, and that Santorum lost his Senate seat in an 18 point, epic wipe-out of unelectability.

I think that being the nominee, the conservative Newt would win in the head to head, spending equal, Presidential election.


9 posted on 02/16/2012 3:00:42 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: CynicalBear

Maybe he rubs you the wrong way by wearing a sweater vest, but he is far more liked than Newt or Mitt and he’s winning and polling well. Why are people voting for him instead of Newt? It seems obvious to me. Even a significant amount of Republicans don’t like him. I can overlook Newt’s negatives and vote for him versus Obama, most conservatives can. That is not the problem. The problem is that Independents and cross over “Reagan Democrat’s” won’t. As a group, women just don’t like him. That will not change in the general election. My wife is very conservative but she thinks he is a two timing cheater.


10 posted on 02/16/2012 3:00:57 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: FresnoRobert
Negative perception. When I see Santorum with his wife standing by his side, I see a woman with a strong back, yet she collected $350,000 from you and I for it by suing her chiropractor. Then there's his Specter active support.

And Rick supports her action with the same stubbornness that Mitt defends his signing onto insurance mandates!

Just a question, what did Santorum do before entering politics, did he ever have a job, will it be vetted?

Newt taught for years.

11 posted on 02/16/2012 3:16:22 PM PST by duckln (Mr. Newt holds the record as most tossed under bus politician around and still kicking.)
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To: FresnoRobert
>>Why are people voting for him instead of Newt?<<

IMO it’s because of the meme that Newt is unelectable because of his negatives which is nonsense. But after all it’s what you have fallen for also right? It’s also because Santorum is that last “not Romney”.

12 posted on 02/16/2012 3:17:09 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Romney & the establishment have made it plain how much they dislike Santorum. He wouldn’t touch Santorum with a 50 foot pole.


13 posted on 02/16/2012 3:30:30 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Romney & the establishment have made it plain how much they dislike Santorum. He wouldn’t touch Santorum with a 50 foot pole.

This debate pull-out is just too orchestrated. Why else would Santorum drop out if there isn't a promise for him down the road?

14 posted on 02/16/2012 3:36:25 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: nickcarraway; Right_in_Virginia
I missed that hate fest, the best I can tell is that Santorum loves Romney, Romney loves Santorum (both within the strains of having to run against each other at this moment), and that Santorum is the second choice, or beard for the open and hidden, Romney supporters.

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15 posted on 02/16/2012 3:40:49 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: duckln
The chiropractor crushed two vertebra, told her to go home and take aspirin. He was clearly guilty of gross malfeasance. $350,000 was paid from the chiropractors insurance because he was clearly at fault. It was not paid by you or I.

I would have sued also. My wife had neck surgery for a car rear-ending her. Having hip bone taken out and a stainless steel plate screwed into your spine is not a fun endeavor. My wife now 12 years later has a normal appearance. Her neck still bothers her and her range of movement is permanently limited.

As far as Rick supporting Specter; there was an agreement that if Rick supported him that he would fight for our judicial candidates. We have two excellent Supreme Court Justices as a result. If that is not a factor for you, you can always look at Newt's support of liberal candidates versus conservative ones. There are three occasions where he has done so.

In the 2009 special election for Congress in New York’s 23rd district, Gingrich was outspoken in his support of liberal Republican nominee Dede Scozzafava, up to the moment she finally quit the race after conservatives had rallied behind Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman.

Long after most prominent conservatives had endorsed Hoffman, Gingrich held firm in his advocacy for a liberal candidate who supported Obama’s stimulus plan and the pro-union “card check” proposal, among other bad positions.
In that NY-23 race, for instance, Gingrich went so far as to attack conservatives who supported Hoffman (whom Gingrich belatedly endorsed himself), saying: “So I say to my conservative friends who suddenly decided that whether they’re from Minnesota or Alaska or Texas, they know more than the upstate New York Republicans? I don’t think so.”

Gingrich also aggressively supported and campaigned for liberal Congressman Wayne Gilchrist (R-MD) when he faced a conservative challenge from current Congressman Andy Harris who won in the primary.

In 2006, Gingrich also backed liberal Congressman Joe Schwarz (R-MI) when he was challenged by the conservative candidate, Congressman Tim Walberg who won in the primary.

Regarding your question, if that is your standard then Mitt should be your guy. He has the most private enterprise (business) experience of ANY of the candidates. So if that is your standard, you may want to re-evaluate.

16 posted on 02/16/2012 3:43:46 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: ansel12; All

Lets see. You are saying that everyone who endorsed Romney over McLame in 2008 is not to be trusted? You do know that Romney is more conservate than McLame right? So everyone whe every endorsed Romney in 2008 is off your list? You know that includes:

Jim DeMint
Tom Tancredo
Jim Talent

Also From Wikipedia:

As of November 5, 2007, The Hill’s running tally of endorsements from members of Congress showed Romney leading McCain 38 to 28 for the lead among Republican candidates.[102] Conservatives in the Republican coalesced around Romney after the January 29 Florida primary. Former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum endorsed Romney on the talk radio show of Laura Ingraham. The talk radio community, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, William Bennett, Mark Levin, Dennis Prager, Glenn Beck, Hugh Hewitt and Laura Ingraham endorsed Romney, in an anti-McCain move. In spite of their efforts, Romney was out of the race and McCain became the presumptive nominee less than two weeks after Florida

Looks like Rick was in good company and you have a mouth full of sour grapes.


17 posted on 02/16/2012 3:49:15 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: FresnoRobert

Mitt Romney himself is running, and one of the biggest fans of Mitt Romney is running, one anti-Romney conservative is running and has been endorsed by freerepublic.

Out of those three, I don’t trust the first two.


18 posted on 02/16/2012 3:53:41 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: FresnoRobert

Interesting how on so many threads, Santorum supporters bleed into Romney defenders.


19 posted on 02/16/2012 4:00:11 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12
For being such a big fan, he sure seems to be taking Mitt to the wood shed. To me it looked like Newt bombed the last two debates. He was totally ineffective. Rick is the one who put a chink in Mitt's armor. He tore him a new one on Romney-care in the debates while Newt stood there saying nothing.
20 posted on 02/16/2012 4:00:57 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: ansel12

Facts are stubborn things aren’t they? But with the Rick haters, facts don’t matter. When they lose an argument based on facts it quickly degenerates into personal attacks or conspiracy theories. Sad really...


21 posted on 02/16/2012 4:06:03 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: FresnoRobert

The unity of the left, the media, the GOP-e, the history making unity of all three on “Bloody Thursday”, the eagerness of a sizable number of Santorum supporters to defend, or lean towards, or offer up Mitt as better than Newt, and the fact that freerepublic endorses Newt, tells us who the real threat to Mitt Romney is.


22 posted on 02/16/2012 4:07:24 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12

Based upon your logic, it’s obviously a conspiracy.


23 posted on 02/16/2012 4:14:59 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: CynicalBear

You are saying the fact that he hasn’t cheated on his wife is a major negative for a candidate?


24 posted on 02/16/2012 4:22:59 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: FresnoRobert

The fight between the moderates and the conservatives within the GOP, and the media always siding with the moderate GOP until the primary is over, is eternal, you don’t need to call it a conspiracy.


25 posted on 02/16/2012 4:31:06 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: nickcarraway
>>You are saying the fact that he hasn’t cheated on his wife is a major negative for a candidate?<<

Now there’s a typical liberal tactic. Where in my post would you have gotten that from. Surely you’re not twisting my words like the good liberals do are you?

26 posted on 02/16/2012 4:31:35 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: ansel12
You are the one stating Rick is a “beard” for Mitt. Even though Rick has Mitt in a panic over Michigan. Sorry, but that sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

There were formerly accusations that Bachmann & Cain were “beards” as well in past postings by others. It seems to be a common theme.

27 posted on 02/16/2012 4:41:51 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: FresnoRobert

For many, Santorum is the latest beard.

Those of us who have been fighting Romney for many years, something that you clearly think was wrong, have watched as when JR made it impossible to openly push Romney, Romney’s supporters switched to the next none threat to Mitt, as their beard, while continuing to attack Palin, or today Gingrich.

That happens in the media as well, Beck is an example of that, he can always attack the conservative threat to Mitt by promoting the less threatening conservative enough, beard.


28 posted on 02/16/2012 4:50:25 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12

You can assume what you like. I like Rick because he has had fewer lapses in judgement and was on the right side of TARP, Global Warming and Healthcare Reform. The second choice for me is Newt & I will absolutely support Newt if he is the nominee. He is second in my book because he has wandered and has high negatives (unelectable). Finally, if God forbid Mitt takes the nomination, I will hold my nose & vote for him. I just think he is a flip flopper politician in the worst way. I understand that there are those who refuse to do that but clearly Mitt is less damaging for our country than Obama and a refusal to vote at all is no different than pulling the lever FOR Obama. Our nation cannot withstand another 4 years of this. I care too much about the country to allow that to happen.

Your theory that Romney supporters are secretly supporting others (Rick, Michele, Herman) so Newt will fail is just ridiculous on it’s face. If there were that many Romney supporters, they could simply vote in unison for Romney and he would have already rolled to the nomination. The truth is just too much for you, so you concoct this elaborate reason why Newt cannot carry the day. It just doesn’t hold water.


29 posted on 02/16/2012 6:39:06 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: FresnoRobert
Your theory that Romney supporters are secretly supporting others (Rick, Michele, Herman) so Newt will fail is just ridiculous on it’s face. If there were that many Romney supporters, they could simply vote in unison for Romney and he would have already rolled to the nomination. The truth is just too much for you, so you concoct this elaborate reason why Newt cannot carry the day. It just doesn’t hold water.

Nonsense, those of us who have been fighting Romney here for years have watched that take place, freepers that we have been engaged in constantly since 2007 on almost a daily basis, we watched them pull that routine as they fought against Palin, most of them got banned because the beard routine was not enough to hide their secret Romney agenda, but some of them are still here, and we watched as they went from beard to beard, all the while as their subtext was a Romney agenda.

Even for those who choose Santorum first, Romney is second choice for many of them, I am on some of those threads right now.

30 posted on 02/16/2012 6:57:08 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12

Well, I guess we just disagree. I can see that Rick is trying to win. Newt shot himself in the foot by tring to go tit-for-tat with the highly negative Romney campaign. He was already on thin ground with those that were pissed about him pulling the rug out from under Paul Ryan. He seemed to confirm the concerns people had by attacking capitalism of all things when going after Romney. That was the last straw for many that were giving him the benifit of the doubt and already had serious concerns. Rick benifited from the Newt exodus. That is Newt’s fault and Ricks lucky timing, not anything else.


31 posted on 02/16/2012 7:11:08 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: FresnoRobert

What happened is that everyone who is against the right, including Romney and his millions in funding, have done their best to stop Newt, 1 year ago, or 2 years ago, or 3 years ago, we could not have named who would be in the Newt position as the conservative threat to Romney, but we knew exactly what the response would be and how thorough it would be, and we conservatives worried about how effective it could be.

One thing that seems to be true about this move back and forth between Romney and Santorum supporters here at freerepublic, I cannot think of any of the past Romney fans, who are backing Newt.


32 posted on 02/16/2012 7:42:45 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: FresnoRobert; moder_ator; onyx

Good Gosh, you are another sleeper account who just showed up last month to bash Newt Gingrich.

1 post in 2005, 1 post in 2007, 1 post in 2008, 1post in 2009, and suddenly this non stop month of attacking Newt.


33 posted on 02/16/2012 7:55:34 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: FresnoRobert
I've had a back problem and avoided surgery by going to a chiropractor. In about 5 weekly sessions, him cracking each vertebrae down to the tailbone, I was 'cured'.

It's a chance you take. Live with it, surgery or manipulation. I don't buy the chiropractor cracking two vertebrae. The chiropractor paid nothing of the $350,000 , it was passed on to his patients, you and I.

Sorry about your wife, there are legitimate claims. But imo claims of back and neck pain is in too many cases a way to scam the system.

Granted, Newt supported Scozzafava, Gilchrist,Schwarz, and also Specter, but, and important but, he did not represent the states of the 4 of them.

When Gingrich in a GPO fund raiser said they would support a pro choice candidate to gain control of the house, I stopped being a contributor. Newts' job was to keep control of the house, Santorums' was to respresent his constituents wishes.

Newt did his, although I disagree, but Santorum did not.

34 posted on 02/16/2012 9:56:33 PM PST by duckln (tossed under bus politician around and still kicking.)
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To: ansel12

I’ll have to ask you to point our some of these Santorum people who are actually closet Romney people, as I don’t personally know any such.
I can vote for Santorum easily, and have had notions that it would possibly be good for him to run for years, thanks to his frequent radio spots with people I listen to.
He is upbeat and hopeful enough that moderates and independents could vote for him - though I am sure in the general he will be caricatured as somewhat to the right of Hitler (sic). The campaign against him now could actually help in that circumstance.
Romney can’t get my vote at all, why put someone in office whom the Republicans will not fight as he implements the same odious policies any (D) would?
I don’t see these two becoming political bedfellows at all, but I suppose I could be wrong. If it came down to a Romney Santorum ticket, see point two above. I am not going to vote for a heart attack again, did that last time.
Gingrich, I can vote for, but know many female conservatives who can’t stand him, and I am not sure I didn’t feel cheated on myself, well before his infamous pictures and positions on MGW.


35 posted on 02/16/2012 10:39:15 PM PST by Apogee
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To: Apogee

See that quote from Santorum in post 15 to see that they are political bedfellows. Romney was Santorum’s choice for President last time, now Romney talks of Santorum being his veep, one thing they share, defeat that conservative guy Newt.

Your defense of Santorum is typical, that he is moderate and not very conservative, non threatening to those that abhor or fear conservative candidates.

That is why the Palin/Reagan, conservative branch of the Republican base supports Speaker Gingrich, while the Romney/Santorum branch support their favorite between those two.

You have a 1999 sign up date, if you were conservative you would recognize the Romney followers that you would have been doing battle with for the last 5 1/2 years.


36 posted on 02/16/2012 10:51:47 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12

I am not really a fan of the “don’t run someone so conservative they offend the masses” theory, I think it is a mistake that got us McCain, and continually gets the GOP in trouble with conservatives, who tend to win the masses when left to campaign on their own. So I am a little disappointed to find myself appearing to offer such a defense. Perhaps I need to reword it later when I have time/sleep.
I see Santorum as consistently conservative in areas that matter, and presumably will trickle down to economic areas where he seems a little weaker. When I hear him speak, I hear someone likeable, whom I know to share many core values with me.
Despite Gingrich’s riding the conservative groundswell in the nineties, I haven’t seen him as consistent, except as a politician. He got a raw deal, but he also failed to deliver on commitments (perhaps he was outmaneuvered, I do not know). When I listen to him, I like what he says, but I do not know if I know or trust him in the same way.

My take was that the Contract with America was evidence that we want unabashed conservatism and will vote for it. Then, once in power, the GOP began to act like it needed to cross the aisle, and be non offensive, and not be all the things it claimed when courting our vote, I suppose to try to get the votes of the people it did not need to sweep in, anyway, or perhaps just to be liked.

Back to post 15 - I suppose the smartest course would have been to endorse no one. What a wretched field we had when everyone had to point to Romney as the most conservative horse in the race.


37 posted on 02/16/2012 11:55:35 PM PST by Apogee
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To: ansel12

Whatever. Sounds like you just found another conspiracy.

I lurked here for years before I started posting. I do not go about attacking Newt. I am excited about Rick and I defend Rick because he is my pick. Seems to me that there are a few hard core Newt supporters who think it’s OK to post falsehoods or articles with no context that are right out of the DNC & Romney playbook. I have seen attacks on Rick’s family, on Bella, on his wife that I find pretty disgusting and right out of the pit of hell. If you think that is a conspiracy then fine. You should be a Ron Paul supporter. There is a new conspiracy around every corner.


38 posted on 02/17/2012 8:42:10 AM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: ansel12

I was never a past Romney fan. Some people think Rick is the better choice and some people just can’t live with being wrong.


39 posted on 02/17/2012 8:45:32 AM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: Apogee
I am not really a fan of the “don’t run someone so conservative they offend the masses” theory,

Since you made that up, care to explain it? I know that you moderates blocked the two term California Governor from the Presidency aqainst Nixon, and then against Ford in 1976, and then we conservatives managed to get past you in 1980, it worked out pretty well.

You got your way again with HW Bush, Bob Dole, and John McCain, now you have Romney or Santorum fighting for the safe moderate position, since you guys fought a battle to the death against Palin for 3 years.

You reveal yourself when you denigrate the historical move to the right that Gingrich helped orchestrate in the 1990s, a pay off of many, many years of his behind the scenes strategies, and actions, even the manipulating of cable TV.

Gingrich had great success with the Contract with America, the man that Santorum wanted to be President in 2008 was against it of course.

40 posted on 02/17/2012 9:57:32 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: FresnoRobert

Whatever? conspiracy?

Finding an almost 7 year old sleeper account with 4 posts total to it, suddenly burst into an anti-Newt publishing house in the last month, is merely an eye brow raising discovery, not a “conspiracy”claim.

Newt has been endorsed by freerepublic, and a sleeper account claims that FR is posting “”right out of the DNC & Romney playbook””, this from a sleeper account that labels everything and everybody “conspiracy”, sounds revealing.


41 posted on 02/17/2012 10:29:37 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: FresnoRobert
I was never a past Romney fan.

We can't know that, you signed up almost 7 years ago but never posted until Newt was getting ready to take out Romney in South Carolina last month, you only showed up then, suddenly you have a great passion to become a prolific poster.

42 posted on 02/17/2012 10:39:13 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12

Well I think you are a secret Romney fan because you are trying to take out Rick Santorum, the only guy who can win in the general election. Maybe you are secretly wanting Obama to win!

See, it’s easy to create conspiracy out of thin air, just like YOU!


43 posted on 02/17/2012 11:40:32 AM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: FresnoRobert

I don’t know what your obsession with conspiracies is, but I have a very clear and long posting history that you can examine.

Although you signed up well before me in 2005, you only have a months worth of posting history to examine, for 6 1/2 years there was nothing, just a dead account with 4 meaningless posts, one about every 19 months, and then you suddenly explode on the scene, prolific, aggressive, and with a single temporary goal, that sure looks like a sleeper account.


44 posted on 02/17/2012 12:10:03 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12

Please read your posts. They constantly refer to conspiracies, beards, etc. Not mine. Your last one did so again. You are obviously oblivious to it.


45 posted on 02/17/2012 4:12:25 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: FresnoRobert

No they don’t.

You are merely obsessed with the idea of conspiracy, an individual using a beard is not a “conspiracy”, who is he conspiring with?

As a sleeper troll who just activated your almost 7 year old account this month, I saw you as just an individual trying to stop Newt Gingrich, your obsession with the word conspiracy is starting to seem almost like a declaration, it doesn’t make sense to keep using it in every post.


46 posted on 02/17/2012 4:26:45 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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If this is going to degenerate into name calling, then look for a conversation elsewhere. There are plenty of people to call names or accuse of being a troll or hatching plots against your candidate elsewhere. I don’t have time for games.


47 posted on 02/17/2012 5:33:33 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: ansel12

If this is going to degenerate into name calling, then look for a conversation elsewhere. There are plenty of people to call names or accuse of being a troll or hatching plots against your candidate elsewhere. I don’t have time for games.


48 posted on 02/17/2012 5:33:33 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: ansel12

If this is going to degenerate into name calling, then look for a conversation elsewhere. There are plenty of people to call names or accuse of being a troll or hatching plots against your candidate elsewhere. I don’t have time for games.


49 posted on 02/17/2012 5:33:34 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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What name calling?

As far as time, you suddenly seem to have unlimited amounts of it in the last month, for almost 7 years you had zero interest in using your account, or in politics, or posting on anything, even the 2006 election, the 2008 election and Palin or Obama, or the history making 2010 election, or anything at all, until Gingrich became a threat to Romney in South Carolina, last month.


50 posted on 02/17/2012 6:03:15 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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