Skip to comments.Romney and Paul successfully call Santorumís conservatism into question
Posted on 02/22/2012 8:27:14 PM PST by detective
Rick Santorums front-runner status in the GOP presidential race is predicated on the idea that he is the consistent conservative alternative in the field.
And that image had some serious holes poked in it at Wednesdays debate in Arizona.
Mitt Romney and Ron Paul tag-teamed the former Pennsylvania senator much of the night, calling into question his conservatism on issues ranging from earmarks and fiscal policy to his endorsements and even what is often considered Santorums most solidly conservative credential social issues.
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“Besides, I not only saw it, I tapped it.”
Tapped it is a slang expression for had sex with the person. How was your sex with Mitt? Did Romney and Paul tag team you?
You sound like a screaming Lefty you hate him so much.
His take one for the team answer alone sunk him. Forget about his convoluted earmarks answer. If you watch the debate again (as I just did)he looks like a typical insider explaining all his big mistakes (like No Child Left Behind) by saying that’s the way Washington works, or giving a ridiculously inside baseball answer.
You seem to think that I care about your about page. I don’t.
You seem to think that I care about your about page. I don’t.
While I think my girl friend is goofy because she thinks I’m “hot”, I don’t.
You equate a belief in the existence of evil with “installing an American Ayatollah”?
Did you wander over from DU by mistake? That is what they believe, and the NY Times/Washington Post/CBS/NBC/ABC.
Santorum’s views on gay marriage match Obama’s and the majority of voters in California, of all places.
Social issues are winners for Republicans.
Romney has clearly promised Ron Paul Chairman Ben Bernake’s job...
>> Santorum is BY FAR the best candidate still in the race. And light years ahead of the others in terms of conservative beliefs.
Amusing, BY FAR.
Oh really? Which debate were you watching?
Dang brother...you didn’t hear? There was a debate earlier tonight out of Arizona. If you try, pretty sure you can find it online somewhere...
It was a great evening, I loved it.
Look for Saint Ricky’s polls to start to tank.
President Newt Gingrich—”Our beloved republic deserves nothing less.”
Either put down the weed so you can experience reality or give me some so we can share your altered reality in all its glory.
The Romney-Paul campaign could not be more obvious could it? and do you think the WashPost might be a little biased against the more conservative candidates?
Just a smidge?
I wonder how long before the debate the article was written.
I have no doubt that even before the debate started tonight, the media narrative had already been written to declare Santorum the loser and Romney the winner.
“And his story about Specter still doesn’t hold water”
Did Arlen help get the Right guys on SCOTUS or not?
“The press is running with this and Santo is in serious trouble. If not, then the Press is losing it’s grip. Time will tell. “
And you side with the “Press”?
>> Did Arlen help get the Right guys on SCOTUS or not?
He supported the wise Latina and the mall cop. So what’s your point?
Did Arlen help get us Obamacare? Hell, yes he did.
In the debate Paul was Romney’s hand puppet. Paul was Romney’s attack dog.
Maybe; but, I doubt it. Let’s face it. Rick imploded last night. Just like Newt did after he became the front runner coming out of SC. Rick just wasn’t ready for Prime Time as the front runner. As much as I hate to admit it; RINO-Rom was just smarter than him and mopped the floor with him over his voting record. He had Rick explaining why he voted for what he really didn’t like or believe in: Earmarks, Arlen Specter, No Child Left Behind, etc. RINO-Rom just outsmarted the boy. Now, the only hope we have is that Newt will rise again. If not......... Hell, I’ll consider a Third Party. If the GOP could not give us a better slate of candidates than we’ve had this year; then to hell with the Republican Party. Let Obozo have four more years to finish destroying this nation, and, if we’re still around in four years, maybe the GOP will be older and wiser. Nah... I doubt it. Obozo should have been easy-pickings for defeat and once again, the GOP has pulled defeat from the jaws of victory.
Santorum is very mainstream in his political views.
That’s his biggest problem......mainstream Washington, D.C.
Santorum dismantled Ron and Romney tonight.
O. K., BloodAngel..... lay down the crack pipe and back away.
While he might not have won it technically, he did enough to keep the momentum from shifting.
You can wake up now; you’re dreaming. RINO-Rom won Michigan last night. Rick imploded. He was the worst on stage.
Mitt accused Newt of the same and he turned around and covered for both Rick and himself in saying Mitt did the same yet accusing others of what he did himself. Like Mitt was implying it’s wrong for others but not for himself. Newt had the info about mitt demanding the catholic hospitals to follow the birth control laws that were in place and I was waiting for Rick to jump in and agree with Newt. Mitt was wrong and it would have taken mitt down a great deal. There was a thread about the catholic hospitals and mitt’s birth control insistance awhile back. I just wondered does Rick know about it? I can’t imagine that he doesn’t so I couldn’t understand why he remained quiet. Mitt got a huge pass on that one. If Rick followed Newt - Mitt would have gotten the treatment that Ron and Mitt were giving Rick. Squeeze him from both ends and that was a perfect opportunity to see Mitt loose it and stutter his way out of it.
Buff gov and psycho sidekick corner wonky weakling, kick sand o’er him. Life’s a beach.
We look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it. Rick Santorum
So Santorum thinks mainline Protestants are so sinful they are no longer Christian?
This will rightfully alienate a vast number of Christians voters.
78.4% of adult Americans are Christian.
51.3% of adult Americans are Protestant.
Even people who are not Protestants would find this condescending and extreme.
The Democrats will make commercials featuring this Protestant-hostile statement. Santorum wouldnt have a snowballs chance of winning the election after this exposure of his personal beliefs. No wonder they call him Senator Sanctimonium.
I personally do not support Santorum because he is an authoritarian masquerading as a conservative. He has voiced his opposition to the Tea Party, and he wants to regulate the internet.
Having big government enforcing a right wing agenda is not much better than big government forcing a left wing agenda. His condescending views toward Protestantism are the last straw for the viability his candidacy. As you may have noticed, not all Christians are for freedom of speech or the honest capitalism of free markets. He, like some religious conservatives sell out our freedom for the advancement of his personal religious views.
Here is another relevant quote:
They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldnt get involved in the bedroom, we shouldnt get involved in cultural issues.
That is not how traditional conservatives view the world. There is no such society that Im aware of, where weve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.
Apparently Rick Santorum thinks that the government should get involved in the bedroom. Apparently having what goes on in your bedroom be your own business is radical individualism. Whether you agree with him or not, that kind of intrusion will not fly with the electorate. He cannot win.
Nothing has changed for me. I’m still root’n for Newton.:)
They could really not care any less, nor understand any less, the truth that for capitalism to succeed for any extended length of time religious principles of morality must reign and be protected.
It is much like the Tea Party failure...which could have been a long-lasting success story. One cannot claim to be “principled” (i.e. moral) while denying the importance of and the existence of the one and only foundation for true morality (Judeo-Christian principles).
Secularism, regardless of whether it is on the right or left, fails to protect and fails to prosper, for any real length of time.
Mainline Protestants are only 15% of the adult population. I think you are confused, regarding the term Mainline Protestants.”
Mainline Protestants are by and large Marxists/Socialists.
I watched the debate and I do not buy the media conclusion about those who performed the best.
Again, the star of the show was the moderator who intentionally stirred attacks against candidates with “flame questions” such as the “fake” question to Ron Paul.
For the most part, Santorum did as well as anyone for the major part of the debate EXCEPT for the omnibus bill questions.
Gingrich did well on every question and was not touched at all by anyone.
Romney answered his questions well EXCEPT for the Romneycare questions really get him visibly flustered. There is a huge dishonesty about the man regarding conservatism, and every time he pretends it I see his actual past rather than his rewritten past. The most telling dishonesty was signaled by Gingrich’s “are you kidding” look at Romney and then Gingrich reemphasizing his point about Romney’s deceit by quoting an article written on the issue.
Paul always seems hesitant every time he answers anything. It might just be a voice quirk. I also sense a basic dishonesty about his responses such as getting troops off the Pakistan border and putting them on the US border.
Gingrich was the best.
Santorum has to better explain why an omnibus bill with some evil mixed with some good and a lot of average in it must be supported. There needs to be a clincher argument on that one, and not just a passable answer.
Romney is an unrepentant liar, but a good one.
Paul’s quavering voice hides something wrong, but I’m not sure if it’s a touch of uncertainty about is positions or a touch of instability.
But, I saw no knockout blows yesterday at all.
I thought Santorum did fine *shrug*
I did not watch the debate last night out of two reasons. #1 was that I already have my candidate for whom I will vote in our primary. #2 I knew the CNN moderator would not ask the questions that are on the American people’s minds like the high prices of gas and the Fast and Furious scandal
And can we all admit that Paul is NO kind of conservative? Did you notice last night that the only times Paul even said the word conservative he did so as a pejorative? His right leaning libertarian shtick is a lie. He's a leftist libertarian and should not even be in our peimary.
I wonder what it cost Mitt to bus in that audience last night? What a bunch of goons.
That's the stupidest, most unfair and dishonest thing I've read so far today.
Romney has successfully called his own conservatism into question, for many years now.
Wrong. The majority of truly Christian Episcopalians, Lutherans, Methodists and Presbyterians sadly agree that their denomonations have left Christianity. Many on this forum say so forcefully.
Those 'mainline protestant' denomonations are dwindling in membership because they are so involved in the communist, pro gay, pro abortion, anti-freedom agenda that they've forgotten all about Christ.
You need to do a little more research.
You're absolutely right. I'm disappointed that he wasn't better prepared for that line of attack from Romney...of course having that evil little troll at your elbow screeching out "see I told you...that's how evil congress is'...at every answer wasn't helpful for Rick's responses. There was a Romney-Paul tag team aat play last night.
All it comes down to is an effort by the GOP-e to take out another conservative.
I strongly disagree. I admit the Romney campaign set up the atmospherics well. The Washington Post had a prewritten article that attacked Santorun. Drudge was doing Romney's dirty work all week, smearing Santorum.
In the actual debate Romney had his supporters in force and very vocal in the audience. He had Paul as his attack dog. In fact, Romney should have given Paul some puppy treats and said “good doggie” after the way Paul repeatedly attacked Santorum every time Romney ordered Paul to sic him.
But on the substance Santorum did fine. Romney's attacks were answered intelligently. Santorum did not lose control when he was deliberately provoked over and over again by Romney, Paul and the crowd.
Could Santorum have done better? Yes, of course he could. But he took the best Romney and his attack dog could dish out. He was ganged up against 2 against 1 but he stood his ground.
Overall he came across as a decent man beset upon by a pair of bullies.
Newt sat composed and happy as he watched his chief opponent being shredded by the two other candidates. He said he felt happy or cheerie or something. How much better for Newt could it have been.
Santorium was shown to be a false prophet and Newt did not have to lift a well-informed muscle.
Also The deal about Spectre, who turned coat and allowed the winning vote for Obama Care, makes his attacks on Romney more hollow. Fatc is Toomey would have been a better Senator and no (behind the scenes deals) will counter that. Made him look like a scheming pol, making deals with the devil.
Finally, he has indicated he was steadfast on no bailouts, then it was revealed he did vote for the bailouts of the airlines and his explanation there was more political talk...somehow it didn't count when he did it, when he had just slammed Romney on his voting for the Wall Street but against Detroit. He let Romney suck him in and score there.
Bad night for Santorum. I still believe he is the most conservative...but he was successfully (IMHO) portrayed as another go along to get along Washington insider Pol last night, and that did not do him well.
The idea of Romney and Paul tag teaming him is nothing more than people picking on and going after the front runner as they always do. No need for "plots" or conspiracies to explain that. It's just primary politicas and Santorum has gotten to the top and can expect it. He needs to man up and not make excuses or come forward with these "plot" claims. Makes him look less than Presidential.
He needs to stick on message, counter with his conservative credentials which are better than the others, and keep after Obama. IOW, do the things he did to get to the top and let the sniping go while he keeps going after Obama and naturally touting his conservative victories and accomplishments.
In agreement 100%
Rubio used to attend a Mormon church... it seems the Paul/Romney tag team theory may have some truth to it.
Thank you for your 180 degree wrohg version of reality. I am a Santorum supporter and a practicing, Catholic (Marianist)educated man through high school (McBride, gone 40 years but we still remember).
We were the school the brainiacs whose parents couldn’t afford the Jesuits attended.
We were roughed up in the halls when we needed it.
We rode the public bus, hitchhiked or drove ourselves.
We love our Faith, and our traditions.
You couldn’t have made it into my school.
Santorum is far from perfect, but I’ll take him over either of those losers.
“Thats if you think installing an American Ayatollah is conservative.”
The very word “religion” burns you in your sensitive parts, doesn’t it?