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Romney and Paul successfully call Santorumís conservatism into question
Washington Post ^ | February 22, 2011 | Aaron Blake

Posted on 02/22/2012 8:27:14 PM PST by detective

Rick Santorum’s front-runner status in the GOP presidential race is predicated on the idea that he is the consistent conservative alternative in the field.

And that image had some serious holes poked in it at Wednesday’s debate in Arizona.

Mitt Romney and Ron Paul tag-teamed the former Pennsylvania senator much of the night, calling into question his conservatism on issues ranging from earmarks and fiscal policy to his endorsements and even what is often considered Santorum’s most solidly conservative credential — social issues.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

“Besides, I not only saw it, I tapped it.”

Tapped it is a slang expression for had sex with the person. How was your sex with Mitt? Did Romney and Paul tag team you?


51 posted on 02/22/2012 9:37:57 PM PST by detective
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
You are not credible, when it comes to Santorum.

You sound like a screaming Lefty you hate him so much.

52 posted on 02/22/2012 9:38:19 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

His take one for the team answer alone sunk him. Forget about his convoluted earmarks answer. If you watch the debate again (as I just did)he looks like a typical insider explaining all his big mistakes (like No Child Left Behind) by saying that’s the way Washington works, or giving a ridiculously inside baseball answer.


53 posted on 02/22/2012 9:44:02 PM PST by freemarketsfreeminds
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

You seem to think that I care about your about page. I don’t.


54 posted on 02/22/2012 9:44:02 PM PST by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: arrogantsob
And light years ahead of the others in terms of conservative beliefs.

Thats if you think installing an American Ayatollah is conservative.
55 posted on 02/22/2012 9:44:48 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

You seem to think that I care about your about page. I don’t.

While I think my girl friend is goofy because she thinks I’m “hot”, I don’t.


56 posted on 02/22/2012 9:45:05 PM PST by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: randomhero97
HUH?
Are you outing yourself as a lib?
Santorum is very mainstream in his political views.
57 posted on 02/22/2012 9:47:43 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: randomhero97

You equate a belief in the existence of evil with “installing an American Ayatollah”?

Did you wander over from DU by mistake? That is what they believe, and the NY Times/Washington Post/CBS/NBC/ABC.


58 posted on 02/22/2012 9:48:10 PM PST by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: Kansas58
I will give you fiscally. Socially, come on now. Not from what I hear from him.

I believe in economic freedom first and foremost.
59 posted on 02/22/2012 9:49:17 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: randomhero97
The prolife view is a winner at the ballot box.

Santorum’s views on gay marriage match Obama’s and the majority of voters in California, of all places.

Social issues are winners for Republicans.

60 posted on 02/22/2012 9:56:17 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: detective

Romney has clearly promised Ron Paul Chairman Ben Bernake’s job...


61 posted on 02/22/2012 9:59:22 PM PST by roscommon
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To: arrogantsob

>> Santorum is BY FAR the best candidate still in the race. And light years ahead of the others in terms of conservative beliefs.

Amusing, BY FAR.


62 posted on 02/22/2012 10:25:23 PM PST by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: BloodAngel
Santorum dismantled Ron and Romney tonight.

Oh really? Which debate were you watching?

63 posted on 02/22/2012 10:27:50 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Dang brother...you didn’t hear? There was a debate earlier tonight out of Arizona. If you try, pretty sure you can find it online somewhere...


64 posted on 02/22/2012 10:30:06 PM PST by BloodAngel
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To: detective

It was a great evening, I loved it.

Look for Saint Ricky’s polls to start to tank.

President Newt Gingrich—”Our beloved republic deserves nothing less.”


65 posted on 02/22/2012 10:31:31 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. President Newt Gingrich--"Our beloved republic deserves nothing less.")
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To: BloodAngel

Either put down the weed so you can experience reality or give me some so we can share your altered reality in all its glory.


66 posted on 02/22/2012 10:44:23 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: detective; writer33; abb

The Romney-Paul campaign could not be more obvious could it? and do you think the WashPost might be a little biased against the more conservative candidates?

Just a smidge?


67 posted on 02/22/2012 11:04:01 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Ingtar

Ingtar wrote:
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I wonder how long before the debate the article was written.
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I have no doubt that even before the debate started tonight, the media narrative had already been written to declare Santorum the loser and Romney the winner.


68 posted on 02/22/2012 11:31:23 PM PST by DestroyLiberalism
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To: hinckley buzzard

“And his story about Specter still doesn’t hold water”

Did Arlen help get the Right guys on SCOTUS or not?


69 posted on 02/23/2012 12:25:30 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

“The press is running with this and Santo is in serious trouble. If not, then the Press is losing it’s grip. Time will tell. “

And you side with the “Press”?


70 posted on 02/23/2012 12:28:41 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda

>> Did Arlen help get the Right guys on SCOTUS or not?

He supported the wise Latina and the mall cop. So what’s your point?

Did Arlen help get us Obamacare? Hell, yes he did.


71 posted on 02/23/2012 12:33:57 AM PST by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: detective; All

In the debate Paul was Romney’s hand puppet. Paul was Romney’s attack dog.
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Maybe; but, I doubt it. Let’s face it. Rick imploded last night. Just like Newt did after he became the front runner coming out of SC. Rick just wasn’t ready for Prime Time as the front runner. As much as I hate to admit it; RINO-Rom was just smarter than him and mopped the floor with him over his voting record. He had Rick explaining why he voted for what he really didn’t like or believe in: Earmarks, Arlen Specter, No Child Left Behind, etc. RINO-Rom just outsmarted the boy. Now, the only hope we have is that Newt will rise again. If not......... Hell, I’ll consider a Third Party. If the GOP could not give us a better slate of candidates than we’ve had this year; then to hell with the Republican Party. Let Obozo have four more years to finish destroying this nation, and, if we’re still around in four years, maybe the GOP will be older and wiser. Nah... I doubt it. Obozo should have been easy-pickings for defeat and once again, the GOP has pulled defeat from the jaws of victory.


72 posted on 02/23/2012 1:55:01 AM PST by no dems (Rick Santorum is so out of touch with the real world. He needs to learn when to shut up.)
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To: arrogantsob

Santorum is very mainstream in his political views.
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That’s his biggest problem......mainstream Washington, D.C.


73 posted on 02/23/2012 1:58:21 AM PST by no dems (Rick Santorum is so out of touch with the real world. He needs to learn when to shut up.)
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To: BloodAngel

Santorum dismantled Ron and Romney tonight.
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O. K., BloodAngel..... lay down the crack pipe and back away.


74 posted on 02/23/2012 2:00:57 AM PST by no dems (Rick Santorum is so out of touch with the real world. He needs to learn when to shut up.)
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To: Ingtar

While he might not have won it technically, he did enough to keep the momentum from shifting.
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You can wake up now; you’re dreaming. RINO-Rom won Michigan last night. Rick imploded. He was the worst on stage.


75 posted on 02/23/2012 2:03:02 AM PST by no dems (Rick Santorum is so out of touch with the real world. He needs to learn when to shut up.)
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To: Kenny

Mitt accused Newt of the same and he turned around and covered for both Rick and himself in saying Mitt did the same yet accusing others of what he did himself. Like Mitt was implying it’s wrong for others but not for himself. Newt had the info about mitt demanding the catholic hospitals to follow the birth control laws that were in place and I was waiting for Rick to jump in and agree with Newt. Mitt was wrong and it would have taken mitt down a great deal. There was a thread about the catholic hospitals and mitt’s birth control insistance awhile back. I just wondered does Rick know about it? I can’t imagine that he doesn’t so I couldn’t understand why he remained quiet. Mitt got a huge pass on that one. If Rick followed Newt - Mitt would have gotten the treatment that Ron and Mitt were giving Rick. Squeeze him from both ends and that was a perfect opportunity to see Mitt loose it and stutter his way out of it.


76 posted on 02/23/2012 3:06:07 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: detective

Buff gov and psycho sidekick corner wonky weakling, kick sand o’er him. Life’s a beach.


77 posted on 02/23/2012 3:16:03 AM PST by Lady Lucky ( Exposure to the Son may prevent burning.)
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To: Kansas58

“We look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it.” – Rick Santorum

So Santorum thinks mainline Protestants are so sinful they are no longer Christian?

This will rightfully alienate a vast number of Christians voters.

78.4% of adult Americans are Christian.
51.3% of adult Americans are Protestant.

Even people who are not Protestants would find this condescending and extreme.

The Democrats will make commercials featuring this Protestant-hostile statement. Santorum wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance of winning the election after this exposure of his personal beliefs. No wonder they call him Senator Sanctimonium.

I personally do not support Santorum because he is an authoritarian masquerading as a conservative. He has voiced his opposition to the Tea Party, and he wants to regulate the internet.

Having big government enforcing a right wing agenda is not much better than big government forcing a left wing agenda. His condescending views toward Protestantism are the last straw for the viability his candidacy. As you may have noticed, not all Christians are for freedom of speech or the honest capitalism of free markets. He, like some religious “conservatives” sell out our freedom for the advancement of his personal religious views.

Here is another relevant quote:

They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues.

That is not how traditional conservatives view the world. There is no such society that I’m aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.”

Apparently Rick Santorum thinks that the government should get “involved in the bedroom”. Apparently having what goes on in your bedroom be your own business is “radical individualism”. Whether you agree with him or not, that kind of intrusion will not fly with the electorate. He cannot win.


78 posted on 02/23/2012 4:18:00 AM PST by helpfulresearcher (This is the battle for the soul of the Republic.)
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To: detective

Nothing has changed for me. I’m still root’n for Newton.:)


79 posted on 02/23/2012 4:59:07 AM PST by Leep (Dueling tag lines=don't worry,you'll be a vegetable guy soon<>It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: detective
I think we have to take into consideration, when reading responses to pro-Santorum posts, that many people, even here on FreeRepublic, are publicly school-indoctrinated atheistic secularists and that their only claim to conservatism lies in their greed and envy...they're "fiscal" conservatives only. They are corrupt/liberal, socially and religiously and culturally.

They could really not care any less, nor understand any less, the truth that for capitalism to succeed for any extended length of time religious principles of morality must reign and be protected.

It is much like the Tea Party failure...which could have been a long-lasting success story. One cannot claim to be “principled” (i.e. moral) while denying the importance of and the existence of the one and only foundation for true morality (Judeo-Christian principles).

Secularism, regardless of whether it is on the right or left, fails to protect and fails to prosper, for any real length of time.

80 posted on 02/23/2012 5:03:13 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: helpfulresearcher

Mainline Protestants are only 15% of the adult population. I think you are confused, regarding the term Mainline Protestants.”

Mainline Protestants are by and large Marxists/Socialists.


81 posted on 02/23/2012 5:07:48 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: detective; P-Marlowe; wmfights

I watched the debate and I do not buy the media conclusion about those who performed the best.

Again, the star of the show was the moderator who intentionally stirred attacks against candidates with “flame questions” such as the “fake” question to Ron Paul.

For the most part, Santorum did as well as anyone for the major part of the debate EXCEPT for the omnibus bill questions.

Gingrich did well on every question and was not touched at all by anyone.

Romney answered his questions well EXCEPT for the Romneycare questions really get him visibly flustered. There is a huge dishonesty about the man regarding conservatism, and every time he pretends it I see his actual past rather than his rewritten past. The most telling dishonesty was signaled by Gingrich’s “are you kidding” look at Romney and then Gingrich reemphasizing his point about Romney’s deceit by quoting an article written on the issue.

Paul always seems hesitant every time he answers anything. It might just be a voice quirk. I also sense a basic dishonesty about his responses such as getting troops off the Pakistan border and putting them on the US border.

Gingrich was the best.

Santorum has to better explain why an omnibus bill with some evil mixed with some good and a lot of average in it must be supported. There needs to be a clincher argument on that one, and not just a passable answer.

Romney is an unrepentant liar, but a good one.

Paul’s quavering voice hides something wrong, but I’m not sure if it’s a touch of uncertainty about is positions or a touch of instability.

But, I saw no knockout blows yesterday at all.


82 posted on 02/23/2012 5:10:20 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: napscoordinator

I thought Santorum did fine *shrug*


83 posted on 02/23/2012 5:11:58 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: napscoordinator; All

I did not watch the debate last night out of two reasons. #1 was that I already have my candidate for whom I will vote in our primary. #2 I knew the CNN moderator would not ask the questions that are on the American people’s minds like the high prices of gas and the Fast and Furious scandal


84 posted on 02/23/2012 5:18:54 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: BloodAngel
Santorum wasn't at his best last night, I was a little disappointed that he wasn't better prepared to fend off Romney's challenges. But that being said the tag team of Romney-Paul was really telling! Every time Santorum tried to explain or defend his legislative record in response to a Romney jab, Paul would say something about "see...that's how they do it...they're sooo corrupt". Ignoring the fact that he's been in DC for decades sucking at the federal tit with gusto. The reason Paul can claim some degree of ideological purity is that he has never done ANYTHING all these years in DC!

And can we all admit that Paul is NO kind of conservative? Did you notice last night that the only times Paul even said the word conservative he did so as a pejorative? His right leaning libertarian shtick is a lie. He's a leftist libertarian and should not even be in our peimary.

85 posted on 02/23/2012 5:23:32 AM PST by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: napscoordinator

I wonder what it cost Mitt to bus in that audience last night? What a bunch of goons.


86 posted on 02/23/2012 5:25:43 AM PST by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: randomhero97
Thats if you think installing an American Ayatollah is conservative.

That's the stupidest, most unfair and dishonest thing I've read so far today.

F***ing troll!

87 posted on 02/23/2012 5:31:43 AM PST by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: detective

Romney has successfully called his own conservatism into question, for many years now.


88 posted on 02/23/2012 5:34:55 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. See W.L. Craig, R. Zacharias, Erwin Lutzer, and others.)
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To: helpfulresearcher
The Democrats will make commercials featuring this Protestant-hostile statement. Santorum wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance of winning the election after this exposure of his personal beliefs. No wonder they call him Senator Sanctimonium.

Wrong. The majority of truly Christian Episcopalians, Lutherans, Methodists and Presbyterians sadly agree that their denomonations have left Christianity. Many on this forum say so forcefully.

Those 'mainline protestant' denomonations are dwindling in membership because they are so involved in the communist, pro gay, pro abortion, anti-freedom agenda that they've forgotten all about Christ.

You need to do a little more research.

89 posted on 02/23/2012 5:42:33 AM PST by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: xzins
Santorum has to better explain why an omnibus bill with some evil mixed with some good and a lot of average in it must be supported. There needs to be a clincher argument on that one, and not just a passable answer.

You're absolutely right. I'm disappointed that he wasn't better prepared for that line of attack from Romney...of course having that evil little troll at your elbow screeching out "see I told you...that's how evil congress is'...at every answer wasn't helpful for Rick's responses. There was a Romney-Paul tag team aat play last night.

90 posted on 02/23/2012 5:51:45 AM PST by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: detective

All it comes down to is an effort by the GOP-e to take out another conservative.


91 posted on 02/23/2012 6:05:52 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: no dems
“RINO-Rom was just smarter than him and mopped the floor with him”

I strongly disagree. I admit the Romney campaign set up the atmospherics well. The Washington Post had a prewritten article that attacked Santorun. Drudge was doing Romney's dirty work all week, smearing Santorum.

In the actual debate Romney had his supporters in force and very vocal in the audience. He had Paul as his attack dog. In fact, Romney should have given Paul some puppy treats and said “good doggie” after the way Paul repeatedly attacked Santorum every time Romney ordered Paul to sic him.

But on the substance Santorum did fine. Romney's attacks were answered intelligently. Santorum did not lose control when he was deliberately provoked over and over again by Romney, Paul and the crowd.

Could Santorum have done better? Yes, of course he could. But he took the best Romney and his attack dog could dish out. He was ganged up against 2 against 1 but he stood his ground.

Overall he came across as a decent man beset upon by a pair of bullies.

92 posted on 02/23/2012 6:16:54 AM PST by detective
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To: svcw

Newt sat composed and happy as he watched his chief opponent being shredded by the two other candidates. He said he felt happy or cheerie or something. How much better for Newt could it have been.

Santorium was shown to be a false prophet and Newt did not have to lift a well-informed muscle.


93 posted on 02/23/2012 6:30:03 AM PST by Erda
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To: hinckley buzzard
Yep, I was sorry to see how he responded. Taking one for the team for Planned Parenthood, which funded abortion, against which is one of his signature issues. He always indicates how steadfast he is and I believe him...but then this on Planned Parenthood did not go over well at all.

Also The deal about Spectre, who turned coat and allowed the winning vote for Obama Care, makes his attacks on Romney more hollow. Fatc is Toomey would have been a better Senator and no (behind the scenes deals) will counter that. Made him look like a scheming pol, making deals with the devil.

Finally, he has indicated he was steadfast on no bailouts, then it was revealed he did vote for the bailouts of the airlines and his explanation there was more political talk...somehow it didn't count when he did it, when he had just slammed Romney on his voting for the Wall Street but against Detroit. He let Romney suck him in and score there.

Bad night for Santorum. I still believe he is the most conservative...but he was successfully (IMHO) portrayed as another go along to get along Washington insider Pol last night, and that did not do him well.

The idea of Romney and Paul tag teaming him is nothing more than people picking on and going after the front runner as they always do. No need for "plots" or conspiracies to explain that. It's just primary politicas and Santorum has gotten to the top and can expect it. He needs to man up and not make excuses or come forward with these "plot" claims. Makes him look less than Presidential.

He needs to stick on message, counter with his conservative credentials which are better than the others, and keep after Obama. IOW, do the things he did to get to the top and let the sniping go while he keeps going after Obama and naturally touting his conservative victories and accomplishments.

94 posted on 02/23/2012 6:51:21 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: TheBattman
Yeah, I gotta bump what you said.

In agreement 100%

95 posted on 02/23/2012 7:30:07 AM PST by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: Kansas58

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/02/rubio-went-to-a-mormon-church-as-a-kid-115330.html

Rubio used to attend a Mormon church... it seems the Paul/Romney tag team theory may have some truth to it.


96 posted on 02/23/2012 7:43:08 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: jacknhoo

Thank you for your 180 degree wrohg version of reality. I am a Santorum supporter and a practicing, Catholic (Marianist)educated man through high school (McBride, gone 40 years but we still remember).
We were the school the brainiacs whose parents couldn’t afford the Jesuits attended.
We were roughed up in the halls when we needed it.
We rode the public bus, hitchhiked or drove ourselves.
We love our Faith, and our traditions.
You couldn’t have made it into my school.


97 posted on 02/23/2012 7:51:44 AM PST by steve8714 (Yoda's speech to Luke; copied from Jack Webb in "The D.I.")
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To: detective

Santorum is far from perfect, but I’ll take him over either of those losers.


98 posted on 02/23/2012 7:57:13 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: steve8714
I think, possibly, you may want to re-read my post. Also, you may want to re-write your post.
99 posted on 02/23/2012 7:59:31 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: randomhero97

“Thats if you think installing an American Ayatollah is conservative.”

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The very word “religion” burns you in your sensitive parts, doesn’t it?


100 posted on 02/23/2012 8:03:37 AM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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