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Surprise! California Tilts Right of Center
NBC Bay Area ^ | Tuesday, Mar 6, 2012 | Joe Mathews

Posted on 03/06/2012 7:38:14 PM PST by nickcarraway

A fine new report from the Public Policy Institute of California updates what we know about the state's political geography.

For decades, the political divide in California was between the Democratic north and the Republican south. But in recent times, analysts have talked about a blue Democratic coast vs. the red Republican inland.

PPIC's new report concludes that the coast vs. inland explanation isn't exactly right.

When you dig deeply into the numbers, the state's real political divide puts the two former rivals -- Los Angeles County and the Bay Area -- on one side of the partisan divide, and the rest of the state on the other.

Even more intriguing, PPIC finds that while the state has become more Democratic, California is really only as liberal as its reputations in the Bay Area.

"In the rest of the state, even in Los Angeles County," says the report. "California is more conservative and less consistently defined by geography than conventional wisdom would sometimes suggest."

Indeed, on an ideological scale, public opinion data show the average Californians in the middle and "leaning slighty conservative."

We're right of center!

This could be an opportunity for Republicans. But many moderates and conservaitve support the Democratic party. And altering this could be hard because the Republican party may be too small an ideologically rigid to reach out.

The full report is here.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: cagop; california; conservative; geography; joemathews; kenyanbornmuzzie; mittromney; newtgingrich; ppic; ricksantorum
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1 posted on 03/06/2012 7:38:21 PM PST by nickcarraway
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Hmmmmm....is Admiral Akbar in the background?


2 posted on 03/06/2012 7:43:02 PM PST by ak267
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To: nickcarraway

The dems have the hippy, gay, minority and douchebag vote here but the rest of us can still tell $hit from Shinola, thank you very much.


3 posted on 03/06/2012 7:43:11 PM PST by Bullish
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To: nickcarraway

If gozilla stomped flat the first 10 miles fom the beach to indland, Calif might as well be Wyoming.

If you smell salt, well, that’s fruits ‘n nuts territory.


4 posted on 03/06/2012 7:44:35 PM PST by gaijin
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To: ak267

Who cares? Even most Republicans in California are to the left of Karl Marx.


5 posted on 03/06/2012 7:45:08 PM PST by Eleven Bravo 6 319thID
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To: nickcarraway

Then why do they keep re-electing that marxist harpie Barbara Boxer to the Senate? Why did they elect Governor Moonbeam? How do you account for Henry Waxman? Why is the Legislature run by communists and illegal aliens/Atzlan advocates? What about the monumentally left-wing traitorous mayor of Los Angeles? I call BS on this whole preposterous thing.


6 posted on 03/06/2012 7:45:49 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: nickcarraway

It’s a lot more granular than you think.

Go to a parking lot in Berkeley (Alameda County) and count the BO bumper stickers.

Now go to Walnut Creek (just one county over and a 20-minute drive on a good day) and look for BO bumper stickers.

See any?

Better yet, go to the Rockridge BART station (one mile south of Berkeley) (Oakland) and look for BO bumper stickers on a weekday.

See any? (Bear in mind the owners of those cars are AT WORK.)


7 posted on 03/06/2012 7:46:23 PM PST by thecodont
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To: nickcarraway

Reaction #1: I think most Frenchmen are to the right of the average Californian.

Reaction #2: Center right? Why is the entire government of California from National level on down run by liberals?


8 posted on 03/06/2012 7:47:16 PM PST by Tzimisce (this sucks)
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To: nickcarraway

AS someone born and raised in California all I can say is, what California are they talking about, because its not where I live?


9 posted on 03/06/2012 7:47:24 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: nickcarraway

In my observation it is more subtle than that,

I think a LOT of Californians are realistically conservative on fiscal issues (and annoyed to horrified by the irresponsibility of our legislature as any person should be) but much to the left on social issues, environment, homosexuality (prop 8 was really more a phenomena of a very well organized Mormon and Catholic coalition than widespread dislike of homosexuality), cannabis and interventionist foreign policy ( I do not know of anyone who actually gives a crap about Syria, for example).

Think of the typical ‘conservative’ as a hippie, or ex hippie, who now owns a business and has to pay taxes and deal with OSHA; not at all down with the “morality brigades” of the Bible Belt but justifiably suspicious of big government.

That is why Arnold played so well; he was in a lot of ways a typical blend of Californian values, fiscally conservative but socially liberal (that he proved to be an incompetent and dishonest putz is besides the point, they all roll that way out here but the time they get to sacto)


10 posted on 03/06/2012 7:50:07 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: nickcarraway

Hogwash. In the densely populated areas, the liberals are THICK! Where the population is widely dispersed, it’s a mixed bag with a conservative edge, but not so very wide an edge as this report would have you think. It’s a lot like the rest of this country.
We’re doomed barring revival.


11 posted on 03/06/2012 7:50:41 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Let's roll on this gunwalking thing already! NRA <BCC><)
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To: La Lydia

Easy. Because the CA GOP is left-wing and does all it can to sabotage Conservatives. If the state party actually offered a real, substantive choice and stopped trying to echo the Communist Democrat party it might actually start to win again.


12 posted on 03/06/2012 7:50:41 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj
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To: nickcarraway

I can’t imagine the problems they are going to have once the Panama Canal is enhanced and Georgia’s Savannah port and other east coast ports are deepened and enhanced.

If we maintain a “right to work” and keep the terroristic port unions out (isn’t it ironic that the terroristic OWS thugs are shutting down California ports on wimps?) then Kalifornia is sunk and will have to get their affairs in order.


13 posted on 03/06/2012 7:51:57 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: RedStateRocker

‘Cept Arnie wasn’t fiscally Conservative. He made Davis look like a spendthrift tightwad. He was an across-the-board Socialist.


14 posted on 03/06/2012 7:52:46 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Reagan won. If Obama lost Cali, then he has ZERO chance of winning 2012.


15 posted on 03/06/2012 7:53:10 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: nickcarraway

IMHO, this just one of those stories to suck the ‘pubs into wasting $$$ on campaigning in kali-fornia.


16 posted on 03/06/2012 7:53:40 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Well, he played one at election time :-)


17 posted on 03/06/2012 7:54:36 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

‘Cept he won his first term as Governor in 1966. If the CA GOP was run by Tom McClintock types, the party and the state would be in far better shape today.


18 posted on 03/06/2012 7:57:00 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj
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To: dynachrome
Maybe, but if things are truly bad enough economically, then the populous will look for real change. It won't matter how much the media and Obama talk up the economy.

People hurting look for responsible adults to fix things.

19 posted on 03/06/2012 7:57:14 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: Bullish
The dems have the hippy, gay, minority and douchebag vote here

For brevity's sake, we shall henceforth refer to it as the "Asshat" vote....

20 posted on 03/06/2012 7:57:21 PM PST by freebilly (Obama Sings While America Sinks....)
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To: RedStateRocker

He never fooled me, not once. I went balls to the walls in 2003 exposing him as a Socialist buffoon, and he lived up to that as Governor and then some.


21 posted on 03/06/2012 7:58:33 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj
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To: nickcarraway

California dreaming.


22 posted on 03/06/2012 8:03:48 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: nickcarraway

Conservatives and moderates who continue to vote Demonratic are fools. I know, I used to be one. But hey, they’re now 1000x worse than when I left their sorry asses.

Wake up, people. Especially those of you in California.


23 posted on 03/06/2012 8:09:14 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (Blame the Slut Media and Slut Voters . . . Sandra Fluke = Useful Idiot)
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To: nickcarraway

When those 2 battle-ax liberal, senators get voted out, I’ll start believing.


24 posted on 03/06/2012 8:09:30 PM PST by RacerX1128 (Cornered in CA)
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To: nickcarraway

All you need to know about California is that Jerry Brown, Kamila Harris and Gavin Newsome won statewide offices in 2010.

This when the GOP slaughtered the Dems in the rest of the nation.

Right of center my eye. I don’t care how you divide the bits, the fact is California is a marxist socialist enclave and sinking fast.

Right of center my eye.


25 posted on 03/06/2012 8:11:06 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: gaijin

Not true in the great counties of SD and OC, thank you very much! We smell salt water and are rock ribbed right!


26 posted on 03/06/2012 8:13:20 PM PST by Yaelle (Santorums 2012 - we need a STEADY conservative President)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
If the CA GOP was run by Tom McClintock types, the party and the state would be in far better shape today.

Had Schwarzenegger not jumped into the race at the last possible moment during the 2003 recall campaign, McClintock might have won the governorship and our state's--and perhaps our nation's--history over the past decade might have been far different.

27 posted on 03/06/2012 8:14:28 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: tennmountainman

Dreams allow for inconsistencies.
CA, like most of the country, does not vote the way they believe ideologically. People are ideologically conservative on most issues. On referendum CA voters are conservative. But on candidates they are liberal. Same with much of the country.
The reason is obvious except to those in denial. Conservatives appear mean spirited and unfriendly. When we campaign on issues we win. When we go ad hominem we lose.
Ad hominem is entertaining talk radio. But it is not the way to win voters or elections.


28 posted on 03/06/2012 8:15:34 PM PST by spintreebob
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To: Bullish

Although Sacto is small by comparison, it is the third leg of the SF-LA-Sacto triangle of leftist lunatics. Of course, you do need to throw Mendocino, Monterey, and Santa Cruz into the leftist scrum. And probably Santa Barbara and SLO, too.


29 posted on 03/06/2012 8:16:20 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Eleven Bravo 6 319thID
Even most Republicans in California are to the left of Karl Marx.

You are full of shee-it, pal.

30 posted on 03/06/2012 8:17:33 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: La Lydia

Simple answer to your query: California tilted Democrat after 1996, when they amnestied enough of the mexican immigrants to make it a deep blue state. we forget that it was only in the 1980s that california was more of a swing state.

That hispanic voting bloc is not ideologically liberal, they are just another ethnic get-the-handout group that democrats cultivate. GOP doesnt even bother to pander so they end up unelectable.


31 posted on 03/06/2012 8:19:09 PM PST by WOSG (“Legion of Acceptibility”)
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To: nickcarraway

Doesn’t that place need to tilt left in order to drop off into the Pacific?


32 posted on 03/06/2012 8:19:09 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: nickcarraway
Wake up! This is just an opportunity to blame all of California's problems on Republicans. California was pretty evenly split until Motor-Voter became law (around 1997) and all the illegals could register to vote by just ticking a box on their DMV application. Trust me, there are Conservatives in California but they have no power due to the overwhelming power of the Dems there. More's the pity.
33 posted on 03/06/2012 8:23:24 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks nickcarraway.
34 posted on 03/06/2012 8:23:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: nickcarraway

bookmark


35 posted on 03/06/2012 8:25:06 PM PST by GOP Poet
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Sorry, looks like Motor-voter in Cali was in 1995. When non-citizens are allowed to vote, the country (State) is lost.


36 posted on 03/06/2012 8:26:33 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: nickcarraway

If teh ChiComs were to nuke L.A. and Frisco they would be doing America a huge favor.


37 posted on 03/06/2012 8:27:03 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: nickcarraway

The problem: ILLEGALS

This nonsense article is lies, darn lies, and statistics.


38 posted on 03/06/2012 8:29:10 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: nickcarraway
It isnt hard to see the divide in Calif.

This is the 2004 election.



Note that while SF and LA went solidly Dem, the rest of the state is quite different.

I must also comment that all of you that denounce Calif here do so on a website based in Calif.

Cheers,

knewshound

http://www.knewshound.blogspot.com/
39 posted on 03/06/2012 8:30:32 PM PST by knews_hound (Credo Quia Absurdium--take nothing seriously unless it is absurd. E. Clampus Vitus)
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To: Yaelle

Yes, you are right, and I love you guys 4 that..!! ^_^


40 posted on 03/06/2012 8:36:11 PM PST by gaijin
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To: RedStateRocker
I think a LOT of Californians are realistically conservative on fiscal issues...but much to the left on social issues, environment, homosexuality...

Nope, I'd say you have it exactly backwards. Californians, by and large, are more conservative on social issues, such as gay marriage, and less conservative on fiscal issues (this is excluding the hardcore right in CA, which always stands at a disadvantaged 40% or so). How is this possible in gay-friendly moonbeam country, you ask? This is because the minority groups, such as blacks and Mexicans, that the Democrats so far have snookered into being their bitches, are actually quite socially conservative. That is how Prop 8 got passed. The Mormon church did a fine job with advertising, but that didn't change people's minds; it only made otherwise Democrat voters aware of the true nature of the proposition. Black Americans don't want gay marriage. Mexican Americans don't want gay marriage. It is only white liberals that want gay marriage, and white liberals, as well as whites in general, are dwindling from a plurality in CA to a minority.

Meanwhile, the voters of CA never met a bond measure they didn't like. Bond propositions, from midnight basketball to psychotherapy for delta smelt traumatized by motorboats, pass almost unfailingly even while tax increases are universally defeated. That is because that same group that doesn't like "Adam and Steve" also demands that Uncle Sugar kick down with the free money. After all, it's just payback for all of the mean things that Hollywood says that tax-paying white people have done to them (and, of course, the white liberals think money is spewed not from the Fed's printing press, but from the gloriously-scented rear-end of the unicorn, which acts as Gaia's emissary).
41 posted on 03/06/2012 8:37:15 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: nickcarraway
Folks I'm telling you, California is IN PLAY in 2012 for any GOP candidate besides Santorum.

50-50 chance, which is better than at any time since Reagan.

If a Republican wins CA, the dims are toast for a generation.

42 posted on 03/06/2012 8:41:51 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: La Lydia

If the numbers I just Googled are correct, the combined population of Los Angeles county and the Bay Area is 20,661,099. I don’t know how many likely voters there are but even 20% is a lot of liberals to overcome.


43 posted on 03/06/2012 8:44:03 PM PST by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you got ta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: nickcarraway

California voted down homosexual marriage.

That should tell folks all they need to know about California. It IS NOT has gut and dried liberal as the Dems and the Pubbies make it out to be.

We get absolutely no public advocacy for sound principles here, and then wonder why we don’t sway the day.

We should forbid any Republican leader from remaining in, or coming to the state. We should then reorganize under the Tea Party brand and move on to better governance.


44 posted on 03/06/2012 8:44:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: nickcarraway

California voted down homosexual marriage.

That should tell folks all they need to know about California. It IS NOT the cut and dried liberal hell hole the Dems and the Pubbies make it out to be.

We get absolutely no public advocacy for sound principles here, and then wonder why we don’t sway the day.

We should forbid any Republican leader from remaining in, or coming to the state. We should then reorganize under the Tea Party brand and move on to better governance.


45 posted on 03/06/2012 8:45:03 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: knews_hound

Why are Republicans red and Dems blue? Isn’t this supposed to change from election to election?


46 posted on 03/06/2012 8:52:18 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: nickcarraway
As any Californian knows... just one big quake to take out the Bay Area or LA
47 posted on 03/06/2012 8:56:56 PM PST by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: knews_hound
A map of America's health...red health blood vs a blue fungal infection
48 posted on 03/06/2012 9:01:29 PM PST by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: nickcarraway

2004 Presidential election results, Bush won the red counties. The 2008 election was an aberation, a socialist highwater mark.

49 posted on 03/06/2012 9:31:35 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: Mariner

Sorry, but no. Barry’s approval rate with Californians is among the highest besides NY, IL, MA, and HI. If RR ran today for President today he’d lose CA big time. It’s best to concentrate on the rest of the country and not waste previous resources here. We still can get 350+ EV even without CA, NY, IL, and MI.


50 posted on 03/06/2012 10:54:18 PM PST by princeofdarkness (The Obama Administration is circling the wagons. But the Truth Indians are using flaming arrows.)
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