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What If Oil and Natural Gas Are Renewable Resources? (Evidence mounting on limitless supply of oil)
American Thinker ^ | 03/18/2012 | Greg Lewis

Posted on 03/19/2012 6:58:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

President Barack Obama and his green energy confederates are determined to scare the public about a declining supply of "fossil fuels." If we accept the idea that oil is produced by the conversion of organic matter -- from plants to dinosaurs -- under extreme pressure, we must also accept the idea that there is a limited supply of oil and that we've got to do everything we can to find a replacement for fossil fuels before we run out.

The evidence is mounting that not only do we have more than a century's worth of recoverable oil in the United States alone (even if there is a limit to the earth's oil supply), but that we also actually have a limitless supply of Texas tea because oil is in fact a renewable resource that is being constantly created deep under the earth's surface and which rises upward, where microscopic organisms that thrive in the intense pressure and heat miles below us interact with and alter it.

In other words, we have an unending supply of oil, some of which is constantly migrating upward from the depths at which it is created to refill existing oil deposits, and much more of which remains far below the surface. This oil can be recovered using existing technology. Scientist Thomas Gold presents the decades-old theory of "abiotic" oil-creation, which supports these facts, in his book, The Deep Hot Biosphere. In it he explains that the idea of the "biotic" creation of "fossil fuels" -- that decaying organic matter is compressed into oil -- is incorrect. In fact, the earth is constantly producing new oil very deep below its surface, and in some cases the oil flows up to replenish existing oil fields thought to be exhausted.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; abiogenic; drillheredrillnow; energy; naturalgas; obama; oil; oilandgas; renewableresources; thegreenlie; thomasgold
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To: apillar
It’s seems that old oil wells are filling back up from farther underground. Which could only mean that either the earth is a LOT older than scientists believe and we are only tapping the “top layer” of oil (which seems unlikely as there are other methods to measure the age of the earth)

Or you are over a subduction zone. If the sea floor got shoved down under the continental shelf it would be easy to have layers of oil very deep. If you go to Montana, just East of Glacier National Park you can actually see where the continental shelf buckled and is laying one complete shelf on top of another. No foothills, just flat prairie and then bam! wall o rock. Impressive as heck. Especially when you consider that is just a wrinkle compared with what is going on at the Mariana Trench.
41 posted on 03/19/2012 7:46:14 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
This is very interesting, but, none of this matters to the liberals. The liberals still will say that “fossil fuels” are evil because of greenhouse gases and all that

The subduction zones obviously take cubic miles of ocean floor deep into the earth. That ocean floor is composed of... carbonates from eons of marine life fallen to the bottom.

Take that DEEP into high temperature and pressure and you get OIL ! ! !!

So it's renewable, limitless, and self-cleaning. The CO2 is recycled by organisms everywhere.

QED

42 posted on 03/19/2012 7:50:50 AM PDT by Huebolt (It's not over until there is not ONE DEMOCRAT HOLDING OFFICE ANYWHERE. Not even a dog catcher!)
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To: trailhkr1

what is laughable is your attempt to infiltrate the board... you see, there are many different opinions here, and most people that disagree with me have given educated answers to the statement, whereas you have chosen to use alinsky tactics.. a hardcore leftist econazi is so easy to spot.... and you, sir are a leftist econazi stuffed shirt so full of himself single digit IQ idiot... like I said, just go away


43 posted on 03/19/2012 7:52:55 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s about time

Fossil fuel deniers- advance!

look up “abiogenic oil”


44 posted on 03/19/2012 7:53:21 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: headsonpikes

What most people fail to realize is that oil truly is a renewable resource. The problem is that the human time scale is a little different than that of the earth and its eternal workings. A mountain range once ran across Texas to the east into Alabama and linked up with the older version of the Appalachians. I wish that they would reappear (as do most mountain ranges as the earth is easier to break and bend along pre-existing zones of weakness) so I wouldn’t have to drive to Colorado to cool off in the summer and go skiing. Unfortunately, Texas is still subsiding as is all of the Gulf Coast. I will have to wait a few more million years before the big hole to the south of us is finally filled it with sediment and we stop sinking. Mountains tend to be created at about a half-inch per year.


45 posted on 03/19/2012 7:54:50 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve often thought that the sheer volume of petroleum seems a little bit unexplainable by the (relatively) small amount of time in geologic history to explain it. Only an infinitessimal amount of vegetation ends up being transformed into petroleum. So, while 600 million years may seem like a long time, the question to be answered is: “given observable processes, is it really enough?”


46 posted on 03/19/2012 7:55:44 AM PDT by cookcounty (Newt 2012: ---> Because he got it DONE.)
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To: Lazamataz
Please provide citations.
Titan:
Temperature 93.7 K (−179.5 °C)[4]
Atmosphere
Surface pressure 146.7 kPa
Stratosphere:
98.4% nitrogen (N2),1.4% methane (CH4);
Lower troposphere:
95% N2, 4.9% CH4


A bit cold and lacking in things like, O2 for dinos.

Polar images taken by Casini. The blue areas on the map are lakes of liquid methane.
47 posted on 03/19/2012 7:56:17 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Yes, the Russians have known we are nuts for many years now with our peak oil scare reports. Now, they have another reason as Pravda has reported, blind or feigned ignorance to our own phony dictator.
48 posted on 03/19/2012 7:56:46 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: SeekAndFind
This hypothesis keeps getting brought up every few months over the past several years.

It doesn't matter if oil is a renewing resource. What matters is whether new oil is being created at a rate comparable to the rate at which it is being consumed. If it's being created at a rate 0.01% of the consumption rate, then the fact has little importance.

We can be pretty sure that any creation rate is much less than the current consumption rate. If oil had been being created at the current consumption rate over the last million years, the oceans would be filled with oil rather than water.

49 posted on 03/19/2012 7:56:57 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: GonzoGOP
There has never been nor will there ever be any oil created in a subduction zone. That would be a place where oil fields go to die. The heat would break the oil first into lighter components that we call natural gas. Eventually, the heat and pressure would turn it into elemental carbon. Oil is thermally stable down to around 11,000’ in most basins. Below that, it becomes natural gas. Subduction zones take the rocks several tens of miles below the surface. Go put some Quaker State in a pot and turn on a Bunsen burner beneath it and watch what happens. Eventually, all of the lighter components would cook out and evaporate and you would be left with a pile of crap, figuratively speaking.
50 posted on 03/19/2012 8:01:49 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: PapaBear3625

Oil is produced by subducted ocean floor containing carbonates and water. It is a closed loop. Oil isn’t produced from nothing. It is cooked up continuously as more ocean floor ingredients are subducted into the super high pressure cooker. It then is squeezed upward into the really HUGE pools we find everywhere.


51 posted on 03/19/2012 8:04:07 AM PDT by Huebolt (It's not over until there is not ONE DEMOCRAT HOLDING OFFICE ANYWHERE. Not even a dog catcher!)
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To: iontheball

Technology and western capital is what is driving the Russian oil boom, not abiogenic oil. Not to mention a price of $100 a barrel. Much of the Russian oil is heavy (a la Keystone XL pipeline oil sands in Canada) and the Russians have finally allowed western companies to help them with money and technology.


52 posted on 03/19/2012 8:04:46 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: crusty old prospector
If all oil is the result biotic matter being compressed and cooked, then by definition, it is a renewable resource up until about one hundred thousand years after all living algae has disappeared.
There was algae yesterday, there is algae today, and there will be algae tomorrow.
We could never build enough barrels to contain even one thousandth of 1 percent of all the algae in our oceans.
Oil is a renewable energy regardless of which theory of it's creation is used. It's just a matter of finding it and pumping it. Old wells will refill just as do forests, just takes a lot longer.
53 posted on 03/19/2012 8:05:48 AM PDT by RavenLooneyToon
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To: Huebolt

It is not squeezed upward. Because it is lighter than the salt water it is encased in, it is buoyant. It migrates, one drop at a time, in search of a trap. Most oil missed a trap and comes to the surface.


54 posted on 03/19/2012 8:06:57 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Carbon-dating is only accurate to about 15,000 years before the present, if that. It also is often not all that precise because of infiltration of other materials, and atmospheric radioactivity interference.

For more ancient radiometric dating, potassium—>argon and uranium—>lead measurements are used, which are probably quite difficult to use in dating petroleum.


55 posted on 03/19/2012 8:08:45 AM PDT by cookcounty (Newt 2012: ---> Because he got it DONE.)
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To: crusty old prospector
Eventually, all of the lighter components would cook out and evaporate and you would be left with a pile of crap,

Thanks for the correction. Aren't Java and Borneo over a subduction zone? Or was all the oil there shallow. I'm not familiar with the fields, just know from WWII history that there were big fields in the region.
56 posted on 03/19/2012 8:08:45 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP
Citations that dinosaurs cannot withstand temperatures of −179.5 °C, atmospheres of 146.7 kPa, and dont actually breath 95% N2, 4.9% CH4

Space-Ice Near-Vaccuum Nitrogen Dinosaurs.

Hey, it could happen.

57 posted on 03/19/2012 8:09:45 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I always suspected that oil and gas were never fossil fuels and more of a by product of the Earths natural geologic functions.

Reason is, a buddy of mine in the oil fields of West Texas told me that long dry oil well suddenly had oil in them again.

Had did the oil get there?

Heck, who knows, but don't expect academics to admit anything that doesn't fit their narrative of doing away with oil and gas.

58 posted on 03/19/2012 8:11:44 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: RavenLooneyToon

Most oil wells will not be refilled as the source rocks beneath them are already thermally overmature. But new traps are being formed today in the basins of the world, like the deltas of the major rivers. We won’t be around to see them filled. The examples that people use about old fields being “refilled” come from a few fields in the Gulf of Mexico where, because of pressure changes from the production of oil, it causes some faults to move and oil is coming up the fault plane from deeper reservoirs, say 3000’ below, not 40,000’ as some posters are claiming.


59 posted on 03/19/2012 8:12:05 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: Lazamataz
Hey, it could happen.

Well Gamera is technically a giant flying space turtle, but I suppose a dino could pull it off.

60 posted on 03/19/2012 8:14:41 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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