Arpaio Investigation Brings Up Compelling Questions About Obama's Birth Certificate and Eligibility

Hawaii Reporter ^ | Monday, March 26th, 2012 | MICHAEL P. RETHMAN

[Seizethecarp]

“I will mention once again, that *I* am adopted, and *I* have a fake birth certificate created by the DOH in my state. It's fake, but it's a LEGAL fake.”

The fact that you are legaly adopted has nothing to do with this case, unless you were adopted in HI in the early 1960’s. I would advise that you drop your continuing claim that your personal adoption has anything to do with Barry's criminal conspiracy to claim HI birth.

YOu have a legally altered BC, not a forged pdf image of a BC. There is no HI statute under which a pdf would be forged to simulate a 1961 LFBC, and in no case would a legal adoption result in the birth location being moved from Kenya to HI, for example.

[little jeremiah]

Thank you!

[DiogenesLamp]

The fact that you are legaly adopted has nothing to do with this case, unless you were adopted in HI in the early 1960’s. I would advise that you drop your continuing claim that your personal adoption has anything to do with Barry's criminal conspiracy to claim HI birth.

If there is any aspect of it that is likely to be a criminal conspiracy it is the manner in which Hawaii apparently registers births which occur outside of it's borders as having occurred in Hawaii. Did you see this chart? (The Daily Pen does some very good work)

Apparently Hawaii is pretty lenient with it's requirements to register a birth there. Not necessarily a criminal conspiracy, but it might be.

YOU have a legally altered BC, not a forged pdf image of a BC. There is no HI statute under which a pdf would be forged to simulate a 1961 LFBC, and in no case would a legal adoption result in the birth location being moved from Kenya to HI, for example.

I have always operated on the assumption that Hawaii possesses SOME sort of document registering his birth in August of 1961. I have long speculated that this document was likely an affidavit of "at home birth" which was filed by his Grandmother, Madelyn Dunham. Even if he had been born in Kenya (Which I very much doubt) the officials in the Hawaiian registrar's office can hardly be held accountable if they were lied to by a member of a child's family.

Hawaiian law DOES allow someone to register an "at home birth" as having occurred in Hawaii, so if Obama was born in Kenya (again, I highly doubt it,) or Washington State, or Canada, or wherever, an affidavit of home birth would still result in a "record" which CLAIMS birth in Hawaii.

If Obama got his previous adoptions annulled, then he could use the data claimed on his original birth record as the basis for generating a new replacement birth certificate, which nowadays would be pasted together by the Hawaiian DOH out of the database of records which they currently possess.

I ask you, who else has access to all the right sources of data needed to create such a document? The Hawaiian DOH creates replacement birth certificates for any child that gets adopted in Hawaii routinely. The documents they produce only need to pass a cursory inspection, they don't have to be perfect because most people aren't going to scrutinize them once they see the official seal.

The Stuff a DOH produces was never intended to survive the sort of scrutiny which Obama's document has been subjected to, and that is why it was quickly recognized as a fake. It also gives us the answer to one of the questions that so many people have been asking.

"If this is a forgery, why did they do such a poor job of it? You would think Obama could afford to hire professionals to do the job right. "

Again, the DOH produces replacement birth certificates, but they don't expect them to be scrutinized to the extent this one was.

[DiogenesLamp]

ping.

[Seizethecarp]

“I ask you, who else has access to all the right sources of data needed to create such a document? The Hawaiian DOH creates replacement birth certificates for any child that gets adopted in Hawaii routinely.”

IMO, HI DOH would never forge pdf images of LFBCs.

All that was needed to forge Barry's BC was several 1961 LFBC, which were available on the web. There is considerable evidence, according to some affidavits, that some typed characters were lifted from those known LFBC images.

Arpaio has probable cause to show that there never was a paper LFBC as a source of Barry's LFBC, and Arpaio’s computer forensics experts claim that the pdf was on a MAC in the WH 15 minutes prior to the press conference. At a minimum, the WH would appear to be implicated in the chain of possession of the forged pdf image for which there was no prior paper document. This pretty well excludes any “routine” creation of an adoption paper for Barry...especially now that no new paper LFBCs have been created for a decade now.

[edge919]

IMO, HI DOH would never forge pdf images of LFBCs.

I don't think that's what DL is saying. They probably created two copies of a certified birth certificate as was requested, based on the most recently authorized information and gave them to Obama's courier girl. There's a question as to why Obama would request TWO copies when he has used NEITHER of the two copies for any legal purpose. My suspicion is that one or both were deconstructed and modified perhaps physically and digitally, so as to fabricate the PDF which was further modified to contain information that no longer matches whatever was obtained from the HI DOH. Somewhere along the line they had to have a paper document to scan the security background and some of the text/signatures.

[eagles_rest]

Come to think of it, they wouldn’t know the truth if it smacked ‘em upside the head :)

But Sheriff Joe is dogged and persistent with the spirit of The Lone Ranger, I wouldn’t discount him, he’s a smart man and knows how to get things done even if he is a bit unorthodox ;)

Keeps his enemies off balance.

[eagles_rest]

Sorry, I don’t buy the argument that the forger didn’t think about the layers when they prepared it to show the public and sent the document PDF unaware that it would be posted as is. ANYONE who has working knowledge of any of the Photoshop products knows that a working copy (PSD file, usually) is very large, mine sometimes are 100mg or more in size. It is very easy to flatten the image to reduce the size in mgs, convert it to PDF or jpeg, and the smaller size much easier to send via email or to post to the web.

Whoever did this, left the document as a PSD file (or whatever PI uses) on purpose.

That’s my 2-cents.

[DiogenesLamp]

Arpaio has probable cause to show that there never was a paper LFBC as a source of Barry's LFBC, and Arpaio’s computer forensics experts claim that the pdf was on a MAC in the WH 15 minutes prior to the press conference. At a minimum, the WH would appear to be implicated in the chain of possession of the forged pdf image for which there was no prior paper document. This pretty well excludes any “routine” creation of an adoption paper for Barry...especially now that no new paper LFBCs have been created for a decade now.

It would be my guess as well that there is no "original" long form birth certificate for Barack Obama. I think one of the directors referred to it as a "birth record" and alluded to it as "half written, half typed." If this is an accurate description, it certainly resembles my conception of what an "at home birth" affidavit might look like.

I have long suspected that Barry cannot even prove he meets 14th amendment citizenship requirements, let alone "natural born citizen" requirements.

[Fred Nerks]

you may need to enlarge this...what you wrote:

My suspicion is that one or both were deconstructed and modified perhaps physically and digitally, so as to fabricate the PDF which was further modified to contain information that no longer matches whatever was obtained from the HI DOH.

...fits with what I see. There's a step missing between (..........unham Obama and Stanley)Ann D......

I am also under the impression there was an original birth certificate lodged with the local registrar (Verna Lee) for the region which included the hospital at which the Sunahara child was born, and the name of the mother was ANN D.....

What was her maiden name? And what was the original date of birth? The Hawaii public birth index shows a BHO2 born between 1960 and 1964. Sunahara is also listed on the index. One might assume that if one was substituted for the other, the Sunhara name would be removed...but there it is, on both the birth and death index.

The listing of BHO2 would appear to relate to a genuine birth event. But once again, ON WHAT DATE and what was the maiden name of the mother? That asian looking girl at the Nachmannofs might well have been the 'wife from whom he was separated, living in the Philippines' remember?

Abercrombie spoke of Ann, whom he maintains he saw with the kenyan at social gatherings. Abercrombie says he 'was here when that child was born' - he well might have been, but he may remember Ann, the filipino, and never set eyes on Stanley Ann Dunham

[edge919]

The flattening stuff is a red herring. When you build a document in a program like InDesign or QuarkXpress and then convert it to a PDF, you wouldn’t necessarily be aware that the PDF will contain layers. Also, there are ways to convert such files that don’t result in huge files sizes like you mentioned, but they would still contain the different layers. The telltale problem is the security background. As a layer, it goes away completely and that just doesn’t happen with scanned documents. Second, there’s some kind of layer/clipping mask around the perimeter of the security background, that when the layer is hidden, makes the background larger. Again, this just does not happen with scanned documents.

[Flotsam_Jetsome]

"All I know is this. When the truth comes out you and I, in the collective, will be high fiveing and back slapping each other all over the place!"

You'd better keep the celebration short, because not long after this finally all comes crashing down, and I am increasingly certain that it will (and was meant to all along, but that would make a whole other thread of its own, perhaps), you're going to be very busy protecting you and yours from Watts riots on steroids.

The completely off-the-chain reaction to and coverage of the George Zimmerman vs Treyvon Martin debacle is just a teensy, tiny taste of what's in store when the Historic First Black President^TM is outed as an ineligible fraud.

Stand by to stand by.

[fireman15]

To sum it up, the document *IS* a forgery, but it is a “LEGAL” forgery created by the State of Hawaii. No other explanation makes any sense.

You have an interesting, implausible theory. My objection is that you claim that “No other explanation makes any sense.” There are a number of other explanations that make more sense to me at least. My father told me many years ago that simple stupidity rules the world. The most likely explanation for the most powerful man in the world releasing such an easily exposed forgery is simple stupidity.

Obama being elected to the presidency is the pinnacle achievement of approximately 80 years of subversive communist activity in this country. This simply stupid forgery is threatening to wash this giant turd back down the toilet that he came from along with a whole lot of the other crap that pushed him to the top of the pile.

[butterdezillion]

The fact that Fuddy has allowed a forgery to be presented as if it was genuine, without saying anything to clarify that, constitutes misprision of forgery and perjury - federal felonies.

I have no doubts whatsoever that the HDOH has engaged in criminal activity. I do agree with bluecat6’s assessment, though, that Fuddy is the one who has jumped in with both feet, although I also believe Okubo could be criminally liable because I believe she knew that Sunahara’s BC# was stolen. I don’t believe they told anybody else that it was, though, because some poor innocent secretary didn’t know to my Sunahara request was related to Obama, so she didn’t send it to Okubo like all the Obama requests were supposed to be and instead followed the proper protocol, checking the database and telling me that there was no birth record under Sunahara’s name in their database at that time. Okubo was the guard-dog who was supposed to intercept anything about Obama and do the necessary obstruction and lying. She knew. Of that I am convinced.

[IM2MAD]

Any updates yet? Will it be up on YouTube?

[bluecat6]

Yes. Fuddy must have given them something. And since what was released wad done by the WH the forgery/alteration/modification, etc. could have happened outside of HDOH and by WH staff. But Fuddy can not be allowed stay free if and when it is shown that she stayed silent while a fraud was committed with her letter as cover.

She came in after the iniital nominee for HDOH Director was hustled off and smeared with unsubstantiated claims of wrongdoing. So they went and go a good party person to oversee the coverup at HDOH. Okubo was queen until then. A lifer. Probably tied heavily to the Democratic party since it has ruled Hawaii since 1959. Even thing with Fukinos name were probably done by Okubo. She had a good run going until the Attorney General would not back up her claim that she rain the ‘natural born American citizen’ statement from the July 27, 2009 statement.

I would also put Schatz in the group the that had tried to play this game playing along with the Chicago thugs without ‘directly’ crossing the line.

His submission of an invalid candidate form in 2008 could be construed as attempt to defraud the elections committee. Had it been a simple ‘mistake’ they probably would have kicked it back and said fix it and resubmit. But he intentionally and knowingly submitted legally invalid - and therefor worthless - documents to the election committee. He clearly does not want to be on the record as endorsing that Obama is constitutionally eligible. So he wanted to avoid that. But did he commit fraud in an effort to not commit....fraud.

[noinfringers2]

You are the first person I know of who has dared to suggest such a scenario. It would make a very intriguing story especially tied to the reason for inaction and obfuscation by the political leaders and the entire court system. I still have in my memory the photograph of Obama hustling the SC judges in Robert’s chambers. I would hope that the military would cut such an act off in the bud stage but with Patreaus(?) playing along with the Obamites I wouldn’t know which way to bet.

[Kate_Malloy]

Will put down this link which more or less tells everything that Mike Zullo, Sheriff Joe's lead Investigator, related to us this afternoon. Too much detail for me to put down about what they did and how they went about determining that Barack Obama's BC is an absolute forgery. Also tells here about Obama's Selective Service card which they believe is forged.

http://teapartytribune.com/2012

Most is about the same as many FReepers have already determined as to the specifics of the forgeries.

The one inkling that I got was that Mike Zullo stated that they have a pretty good idea who produced the forged BC and that they intend to start with finding the person who actually put the forged paper BC online and work backward from there and hopefully the trail will lead them back to the real instigators who started the whole BC scam.

azishot...your question was answered. Mike said that this is still a very much ongoing investigation and not until it is concluded will Sheriff Joe decide what and who to give the findings to.

Also, all Reps were notified and invited to attend but only my Rep., Judy Burges, attended. No one from the media was there to my knowledge...not one reporter. Mike told us and so did Sheriff Joe, that they are up against a brick wall trying to get this information out to the American citizenry...no one will touch it!

Now some interesting news about our meeting. There were well over 1000 great citizens attending. The Church was filled to fire code and many had to be turned away as there was just no where to put them. I believe everyone that qualified signed the petition.

About the petition..It will be presented Monday to a State Senator and to a State Representative, and hopefully these two will get the Resolution to the floor for a vote in both Houses. This Resolution will BYPASS the Gov. The Resolution will request the AZ State Legislature, in conjunction with our Sec. of State, Ken Bennett's office, take action requesting the Democratic National Committee (Debbie Wasserman Schultz), provide documentation satisfactory to Sheriff Joe Arpaio, the Cold Case Posse, the AZ Legislature and the AZ Sec. of State's office to attempt to validate Barack H. Obama's placement on the Arizona 2012 ballot. I believe the Resolution will also state that a private citizen will have "Standing" to challenge any candidate that he or she believes does not meet the qualifications of a particular office they may be running for.

As of this moment, AZ has no law in regards to vetting a candidate...none, and I believe he said that pertains to the whole Country! The Constitution is the only "vetting" we have and we all know how that worked out.

Representative Carl Seel introduced House Bill 2480 and said that 17 members of the Senate support the Bill and it's been through Committee, but he's getting mixed messages from a couple, incl. the Leader of the Senate. Said it is dead unless the Sen. sees fit to bring it up on Monday. Hopefully, with over a 1000 signatures from AZ citizens, our State Sen. will see fit to bring this to a vote!

Sheriff Joe has asked for a Congressional Investigation. Guess we'll see what happens there?

So, that's it and I suggest you all go to the link above and it will give you the same as what was talked about today, except Mike went into great detail on the specifics of how they did things to prove the "papers" (for that is all that they are, papers and not documents), forgeries.

Advertising guy, if you attended, perhaps you can remember something more of interest to all here...and sorry we didn't meet, but who would have thought we'd have such a huge crowd! :o)

[Kate_Malloy]

One other thing I forgot to mention.. they had a meeting with Trump, and said how gung-ho he was on this issue, then how Trump just all of a sudden dropped it like a hot potato. They thought Trump’s action (or inaction) from that point on was just as curious as we here thought it was.

[Smokeyblue]

Sheriff Joe Arpaio Arizona Special Event

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/03/sheriff-joe-arpaio-arizona-special.html

Nearly 1200 citizens from Arizona packed into Sun City West “Church on the Green” today to receive a detailed report from Sheriff Arpaio and Lead Investigator Mike Zullo to learn their findings into the birth certificate posted at White House dot gov and Obama’s Selective Service registration card.

They got an ear full…

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“We the undersigned Arizona citizens are requesting that the Arizona House, and / or the Arizona Senate pass a RESOLUTION directing Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett to send a certified letter to Democratic National Committee Chairperson, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, requesting that she produce certified source documents that are satisfactory to the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office that positively identify the U.S. natural born citizenship and the Selective Service System Registration of Barack Hussein Obama II. With the recent findings of the MCSO Cold-Case Posse, there is probable cause to believe that Barack Hussein Obama II’s Selective Service System Registration Form and his State of Hawaii Certification of Live Birth Form are criminal forgeries, it is imperative to determine Barack Hussein Obama II’s status regarding his eligibility to be placed on the 2012 Arizona ballot.”

http://www.teapartytribune.com/petition-asr-41-121-1

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