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Dems Warn Of ‘Grave Damage’ To SCOTUS If ‘Obamacare’ Is Struck Down
TPM ^ | 3/28/2012 | sahil kapul

Posted on 03/29/2012 1:50:01 PM PDT by Sybeck1

A handful of Senate Democrats sought to assure doubtful liberals that the Supreme Court justices aren’t ready to strike down their crowning achievement, standing before cameras and mics Wednesday in front of the court. One warned that doing so would ruin the court’s credibility.

“This court would not only have to stretch, it would have to abandon and completely overrule a lot of modern precedent, which would do grave damage to this court, in its credibility and power,” said Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D), a former attorney general of Connecticut. “The court commands no armies, it has no money; it depends for its power on its credibility. The only reason people obey it is because it has that credibility. And the court risks grave damage if it strikes down a statute of this magnitude and importance, and stretches so dramatically and drastically to do it.”

Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) said the law has been thoroughly vetted.

“As a senior member of the Finance Committee,” he said, “I can tell you that we had one of the most rigorous and transparent legislative processes that I have witnessed in almost 3 decades here in the Congress. We worked with some of the brightest, most thoughtful and experienced constitutional lawyers in order to make sure that the law was constitutional.”

Kerry said the assumptions that tough questions from the justices will amount to striking down some or all of the Affordable Care Act are a fallacy — he predicted, as the final oral arguments were transpiring inside, that it would be upheld.

“Now I am glad — as I think any of us who’ve practiced law are — to see the intense questions from the justices. They’re engaged, and they are thoughtfully working through these issues,” Kerry said. “But questions are a legitimate way of probing the basis of their own thinking. They are not an indication of a judgment made, or a vote ready to be cast. They’re working through this process as they ought to, mindful of the fact that 30 courts below them have already made a judgment upholding it.”

Blumenthal and Kerry — who were joined by Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR) — called the press conference one day after liberals and other court watchers expressed serious doubts that the justices would uphold the Affordable Care Act’s requirement to purchase insurance, a central pillar of the law. The firestorm was ignited by legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin, who called Tuesday’s arguments a “train wreck” for the White House and predicted that “Obamacare” would be struck down.

Pushing back, Blumenthal said that there’s a “heavy burden” on the challengers.

“Everybody learns in the first year of law school that the law that’s challenged is presumed to be constitutional,” Blumenthal said. “That is a heavy burden for anyone challenging the constitutionality of a law to overcome. When in doubt, uphold the law. There is a lot of room for doubt here, and there is a lot of clear precedent that requires this court to uphold this law.”

The Democrats’ level of confidence has diminished since the days when they dismissed a constitutional challenge to the Affordable Care Act as frivolous. Indeed, the tough questioning from swing Justices John Roberts and Anthony Kennedy about the limits of federal power at least rattled liberals enough to require the nerve-soothing press conference. But Democrats are seeking to quell liberal fears that the game is already over.

Experts say it’s too difficult to predict how the court will rule.

Affordable Care Act, HCR/SCOTUS, Supreme Court


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To: sickoflibs; Sybeck1; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; AuntB
ObamaCare: It's A Tough Sell (36 sec video)
201 posted on 03/29/2012 10:58:47 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: Sybeck1
Blumenthal: "The court risks grave damage if it strikes down a statute of this magnitude and importance."

Blumenthal is saying two things. (1) ObamaCare is "too big to fail". (2) Democrats will reignight Obama's war against the conservatives on the Supreme Court, started by Obama in his 2010 State of the Union Address, if ObamaCare is overturned. But this one will be much more than a President openly attacking the court to their face. Expect "Occupy SCOTUS" to occur.

Kerry: "I can tell you that we had one of the most rigorous and transparent legislative processes that I have witnessed in almost 3 decades here in the Congress."

Kerry is either borrowing a page from Goebbels or smoking dope. ObamaCare was crafted with lobbyists in Caribou Coffee and in other more secluded locations.

202 posted on 03/30/2012 5:44:22 AM PDT by magellan
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To: Sybeck1
“The court commands no armies, it has no money; it depends for its power on its credibility. The only reason people obey it is because it has that credibility. And the court risks grave damage if it strikes down a statute of this magnitude and importance, and stretches so dramatically and drastically to do it.”

Has this guy seen the polls on the public opinion of the credibility of Congress?

203 posted on 03/30/2012 5:52:10 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker
its a twofer if they can get some mud/doubt slung onto SCOTUS...makes future appointments more likely to get rubber stamped when the time comes...

like i said yesterday, this lawsuit, win, lose, or draw means nothing in the larger picture, because the next EOs, ammendments and lawsuits are already written and ready to launch...all the while the mechanisms are being cemented into place...

its been full speed ahead from the getgo, and no signs of slowing down, even when a *loss* in the big court was a real possibility...their posture on not even bothering to delay a little bit, tells us theres no delay to be had...

204 posted on 03/30/2012 6:13:02 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
forgot about that add...pathetis waste of dead airspace and cash...

republican response to bambam-care, dead air and crickets...

205 posted on 03/30/2012 6:14:32 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker
its a twofer if they can get some mud/doubt slung onto SCOTUS...makes future appointments more likely to get rubber stamped when the time comes..

You got that right!

like i said yesterday, this lawsuit, win, lose, or draw means nothing in the larger picture, because the next EOs, ammendments and lawsuits are already written and ready to launch...all the while the mechanisms are being cemented into place...

I know what you mean, but if WE surrender, that only helps the left. They are counting on a backlash against the SCOTUS (assuming Kennedy doesn't turn left again). Somebody needs to remind the people of the sleazy process that produced obamacare, and that it was really an all-Dem effort.

We complain when the GOP does nothing, and this is least shows a little spirit. The problem is that they have been so timid/silent for so long, that one single ad is not sufficient.

206 posted on 03/30/2012 6:45:02 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: Gilbo_3
"this law suit, win, lose, or draw means nothing in the larger picture,
because the next EOs, ammendments and lawsuits are already written and
ready to launch...all the while the mechanisms are being cemented into place..."
that's so TRUE, BUMP TO THE TOP.

207 posted on 03/30/2012 7:18:22 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Kill all the terrorists, protect all the borders, ridicule all the (surviving) Liberals :^)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker
but if WE surrender, that only helps the left

I dont think that *WE* are going to accomplish anything until the inevitable pushback line is crossed...whenever that comes...

the 'we have to pass it to find out whats in it' thing, and the whole consideration of simply 'deeming' it passed w/o a vote shouldve been enuff to stampede the sheep...but alas, the full on graze mentality is entrenched, and i believe will continue to be so...right up to the point where they start taking houses and cars and such for tax/penalty in the name of obedience...

if they get single payer outta this deal in the SCOTUS, itll effectivelytake even that line off the table, as the cash wont be as blatently stolen at the end of a rifle once the individual mandate is a mute point...

collectivism, here we are...

208 posted on 03/30/2012 7:34:29 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker; Impy
RE :”I know what you mean, but if WE surrender, that only helps the left. They are counting on a backlash against the SCOTUS (assuming Kennedy doesn't turn left again). Somebody needs to remind the people of the sleazy process that produced obamacare, and that it was really an all-Dem effort.

Right now Obama-care is still so unpopular that I dont think that's an immediate problem. If it gets thrown out Dems will claim that every-single problem with Health care is the conservative court's fault much like we blame Obama-care now.

If Republicans fought like Dems do and wanted to win they would remind the liberal base that it was Obama that took single payer off the table in 2009 and that single payer would not have been thrown out of court, ref medicaid and medicare. Remind them that Obama pushed the unpopular personal manadate to buy insurance from privately owned companies.
The object is to demoralize them like they successfully do to us. That option was even less popular than the one they ended up with.

Gilbo is right, when Romney get’s the nomination that will be a surrender. He will be a disaster. This morning I heard that Newt is having private talks with Romney.

209 posted on 03/30/2012 8:03:20 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker; Impy
It is possible that if Obama-care is thrown out that Obama himself makes the election about single-payer as the solution, even though he didnt do that before. This time he can blame a Republican House.

The problem Republicans have is that they dont have any ideas that sound better to than average voters than “Tax the rich to pay for your health coverage”. That is one that money not-rich-people like to hear even if it wont work, it's like taxing oil to lower gas prices which polls popular too. Makes no sense but Santa is popular.

Romney will be a pandering disaster

210 posted on 03/30/2012 8:18:38 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker; Impy

Republican IDEAS? Are they even ALIVE?


211 posted on 03/30/2012 9:33:18 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: matt1234; AJFavish; SunkenCiv; Sybeck1; Danae; theothercheek; Red Steel; David; ml/nj; ...
The Dems are obviously applying political pressure on the court, but that can backfire big time.

Maybe more than just "political pressure." Could be more like an offer they can't refuse, if you remember "The Godfather."

On the other hand, the anti-Obamacare forces are applying political pressure as well, albeit in a more civilized and logical way. There are 26 elected state AGs involved, and the polls constantly show a majority of the electorate opposing the individual mandate, and/or opposing Obamacare in its entirety. The Court has no choice but to take notice.

Isn't it ironic that Sen. Blumenthal (D-CT) is talking about the Court's credibility? Here's a man who publicly lied, claiming that he served in Vietnam when in fact he did not, a man who is living in a glass house and throwing stones.

212 posted on 03/30/2012 9:53:33 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Sounds like a THREAT to me.


213 posted on 03/30/2012 9:57:38 AM PDT by left that other site
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To: justiceseeker93

These Dems threaten and call foul on just about everything . It’s odd that the everything they are yelling about they are the ones doing it. I hope most people realize they will lose their freedom if they allow these thugs to stay.


214 posted on 03/30/2012 10:12:14 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Sybeck1

sounds like a threat to me...


215 posted on 03/30/2012 10:22:41 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: justiceseeker93

The SCOTUS Justices are there for LIFE. They shouldn’t feel threatened by anyone or anything. I fear we could be in for an upset, but on the other hand even Sotomayor could find 0bamacare Unconstitutional. It’s anybody’s guess.


216 posted on 03/30/2012 10:27:09 AM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: justiceseeker93

Obama sent out his thugs with threats.

Mitt loves his romneycare and the GOP E loves mitt. HE SIMPLY CAN’T WIN!!

Our enemies are the GOP E and ‘rats - it’s one party posing as two.


217 posted on 03/30/2012 10:48:08 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs

5-4 whole bill tossed. Sotomayor can’t join us. She is only there for Obama.


218 posted on 03/30/2012 10:48:43 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: justiceseeker93

” Isn’t it ironic that Sen. Blumenthal (D-CT) is talking about the Court’s credibility? Here’s a man who publicly lied, claiming that he served in Vietnam when in fact he did not, a man who is living in a glass house and throwing stones. “

Why do I have to be reminded of this by you, instead of

hearing it from Boehner or McConnell. Are these guys even

alive?


219 posted on 03/30/2012 10:58:15 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: justiceseeker93

” Isn’t it ironic that Sen. Blumenthal (D-CT) is talking about the Court’s credibility? Here’s a man who publicly lied, claiming that he served in Vietnam when in fact he did not, a man who is living in a glass house and throwing stones. “

Why do I have to be reminded of this by you, instead of

hearing it from Boehner or McConnell. Are these guys even

alive?


220 posted on 03/30/2012 10:58:33 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
...even Sotomayor could find Obamacare unconstitutional.

About as likely as snow on the Fourth of July in Honolulu.

221 posted on 03/30/2012 11:11:36 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Gilbo_3; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker
I dont think that *WE* are going to accomplish anything until the inevitable pushback line is crossed...whenever that comes...

Why wait to push back? I call my congress people regularly. You may have ones that will not listen, I don't know.

the 'we have to pass it to find out whats in it' thing, and the whole consideration of simply 'deeming' it passed w/o a vote shouldve been enuff to stampede the sheep...but alas, the full on graze mentality is entrenched

No single payer scheme to pay for the whole damn obamacare beast is going to pass the House unless Dems gain a lot of seats in November. When they passed "pass it to find out whats in it" Dems had unstoppable majorities, and now many of them are voted out. But some congresscritters will get squishy unless they hear from the people.

222 posted on 03/30/2012 11:41:49 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: sickoflibs; Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker; Impy
Gilbo is right, when Romney get’s the nomination that will be a surrender. He will be a disaster. This morning I heard that Newt is having private talks with Romney.

Yes indeed, Romney is a major concern. But the other 3 GOP candidates have their own problems.

223 posted on 03/30/2012 11:49:28 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

B U M P


224 posted on 03/30/2012 12:01:07 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; Travis McGee; skinkinthegrass
No single payer scheme to pay for the whole damn obamacare beast is going to pass the House unless Dems gain a lot of seats in November. When they passed "pass it to find out whats in it" Dems had unstoppable majorities, and now many of them are voted out. But some congresscritters will get squishy unless they hear from the people.

*IF* it mattered, the recent 'defunding' by the House [or lack of *allocations*] to major parts of it wouldve stopped it dead already...but the monster is still rollin along, with cash being diverted to it in God knows how many ways to implement it...the train is outta the station, frankenstein is in the countryside, horse out the barn etc...

a bare few CONgresscritters give two $h!tz about the will of the constituents...its all about the 'greater good' if they even consider the people at all, beyond their next election cycle...even at that, *if* they get voted out, they usually have their own backup plans, or perks for life anyways...

so far the commie plan has been pretty well thought out, and implemented in such a way as to keep the sheep grazing, even across the span of decades...sure we appear to win a few battles here and there, but i believe the war was lost, so to speak, long ago...at least the stealth theatre of ops...

its coming down to the 'make it or break it' phase of their plan...bambam was the perfect vehicle to mash the throttle...

to me, the only variable to this contest will be how many 'loose ends' and unlocked shackles remained to guarentee their takeover...the inability to secure all the personal weapons seems to be a glaring miscalculation on their part...or was it a lil false sense of security for the final solution ???

225 posted on 03/30/2012 12:10:17 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker; Impy
RE :”Yes indeed, Romney is a major concern. But the other 3 GOP candidates have their own problems.

That's an understatement but if they cant beat Romney then their problems are not directly our problems. We have two main problems, the two that end up in the race, just like 2008.

226 posted on 03/30/2012 12:13:05 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: justiceseeker93
Didn't he already try this during a state of the union address in reference to Citizens United?
227 posted on 03/30/2012 12:18:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: sickoflibs

Does the country rest on Sheriff Joe’s shoulders?


228 posted on 03/30/2012 12:26:03 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: SandyInSeattle
I keep waiting for lightning to strike these people. Their dishonesty is breathtaking.

I have felt that way for a very, very long time.

229 posted on 03/30/2012 12:38:00 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; freekitty; left that other site; All
Didn't he already try this during a state of the union address in reference to Citizens United?

Yes, Obama, in his State of the Union address in 2010, urged Congress to pass legislation that would in effect reinstate the McCain-Feingold provision that the SCOTUS had declared unconstitutional in Citizens United.

And he had the gall to do it in the presence of six SCOTUS justices who were plainly visible in the audience! That's called in-your-face politics.

230 posted on 03/30/2012 12:53:14 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Lazlo in PA
It is as though they never had a concept of how bad their thinking looks after being dissected.

Like a well stuffed large intestine sectioned longitudinally.

231 posted on 03/30/2012 12:58:35 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Gilbo_3; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; Travis McGee; skinkinthegrass
*IF* it mattered, the recent 'defunding' by the House [or lack of *allocations*] to major parts of it wouldve stopped it dead already...but the monster is still rollin along, with cash being diverted to it in God knows how many ways to implement it...the train is outta the station, frankenstein is in the countryside, horse out the barn etc...

How many GOP votes did the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" get in the House?

If the SCOTUS throws out obamacare, or the mandate, it will be more difficult for Obama to continue. I don't say it is impossible for them to win back the House, but if Obama conjures up an EO to nullify the SCOTUS ruling, that would be very interesting. In fact, I don't think he would even try it, although he will try to expand medicare, medicaid, etc.

All of this is moot if Kennedy votes with the left though.

232 posted on 03/30/2012 1:11:09 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

5/4 all gets tossed.

That won’t stop Obama though, as the GOP appears to be working for him. No fear of retribution.


233 posted on 03/30/2012 1:16:12 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; Travis McGee; skinkinthegrass
RE :”If the SCOTUS throws out obamacare, or the mandate, it will be more difficult for Obama to continue. I don't say it is impossible for them to win back the House, but if Obama conjures up an EO to nullify the SCOTUS ruling, that would be very interesting. In fact, I don't think he would even try it, although he will try to expand medicare, medicaid, etc.

As I said, it's political war. They would use any defeat of O-C to to hurt Republicans in the longer run by blaming them for rising prices just like we blame O-C for them now, and then slowly get the votes they need. Short term a defeat would hurt Obama very badly.

But if Romney beats him in November we are screwed anyway. Watching him in action lie has not improved my opinion of him, although watching him and Obama have a lie-fight-contest would be funny till someone won.

234 posted on 03/30/2012 2:05:19 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: sickoflibs

” But if Romney beats him in November we are screwed anyway.”

Obama gets back in, it is CW2, or the country is finished.


235 posted on 03/30/2012 2:28:35 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Sybeck1

We need to lo get rid of these people. All they do is make threats and accuse others of what they do.


236 posted on 03/30/2012 2:45:19 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: sickoflibs; Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; Travis McGee; skinkinthegrass
As I said, it's political war. They would use any defeat of O-C to to hurt Republicans in the longer run by blaming them for rising prices just like we blame O-C for them now, and then slowly get the votes they need. Short term a defeat would hurt Obama very badly.

A ruling against obamacare is a double-edged sword, and the ultimate result would (note that I am not counting on Kennedy) depend on the political skill and determination of both sides, as well as what happens in the world beyond the control of both parties. The GOP can say that Obama should have worked on the economy instead of healthcare, but they clearly can't expect their argument to speak for itself.

237 posted on 03/30/2012 3:27:15 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs; Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; Travis McGee; ...

WHAT GOP ?


238 posted on 03/30/2012 4:05:26 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3
RE :” But if Romney beats him in November we are screwed anyway.”.....
Obama gets back in, it is CW2, or the country is finished

That would sound better if we had a real alternative.

I obviously cant predict exactly what a liberal Romney POTUS would be like, but rather than go through 4 years like the last two of GWB, as he sold us out to Dems on issue after issue making Republicans own those liberal positions he took, all while becoming more and more un-popular with EVERYONE dragging down all Republicans with him,and making Dems like Pelosi poll higher than them on EVERY issue including taxes and WOT, I would rather have Obama than that especially if he is blocked in congress.

That type of presidency above would give us another 2009 and 2010 (in 2017) and Dems will really get things done the second time.

Gilbo will defend me here, I hope :)

239 posted on 03/30/2012 5:03:48 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; DoughtyOne
I would rather have Obama than that especially if he is blocked in congress.

Looks to me like Obama is NOT blocked in congress WRT spending, but Romney certainly could turn out to be a very compassionate "conservative," or whatever he is.

Scalia and Kennedy will be 76 YO, Thomas 64 this year. The former 2 might stay healthy 4 more years (that would make them 80 by the end of Obama's 2nd term). But I have absolutely NO confidence that the GOP would block an Obama SCOTUS nomination. Romney might appoint decent justices, but he might not.

240 posted on 03/30/2012 6:15:34 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Hmmm...heaven forbids; shades of Dorian Grey.
imagine what Helen Thomas would look like.
(no pics, please! :)

241 posted on 03/30/2012 8:13:34 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Kill all the terrorists, protect all the borders, ridicule all the (surviving) Liberals :^)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; DoughtyOne
RE:”Looks to me like Obama is NOT blocked in congress WRT spending, but Romney certainly could turn out to be a very compassionate “conservative,” or whatever he is.

Republicans got a good chance of picking up a few seats in congress. That has got to be better than now where Republicans can get nothing done but get blamed for controlling congress.

Romney?? Think “See you at the signing”

242 posted on 03/30/2012 8:28:46 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; DoughtyOne
Republicans got a good chance of picking up a few seats in congress

Maybe. Sometimes the party winning the presidential election gains some seats in congress. But even if the GOP gains seats, that is no guarantee they will stop Obama's spending. But then Romney might spend some money too, who knows.

Some FReepers say that another Obama term is the end of the USA. Maybe not, but it's still a horrible fate.

243 posted on 03/30/2012 9:39:13 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; DoughtyOne

” Some FReepers say that another Obama term is the end of the USA “

Yes, I am saying this. Or Civil War..one or the other.

Just this past week......

Obama kills oil drilling until 2018

Obama to give amnesty by EO for parents of anchor babies.


244 posted on 03/30/2012 9:51:22 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; DoughtyOne; Impy
RE :” Maybe. Sometimes the party winning the presidential election gains some seats in congress.

Sorry, I meant Republicans will pickup seats in the senate. The House is questionable.

RE :”But even if the GOP gains seats, that is no guarantee they will stop Obama’s spending. But then Romney might spend some money too, who knows.

guarantee ??? HA-HA. We are talking about a chance, maybe a small one.

RE :”Some FReepers say that another Obama term is the end of the USA. Maybe not, but it's still a horrible fate.

Through 2008 I was lectured that his first term would spell the end of the USA. Now it's his second term that we are told will be the end, so obviously it hasn't ended yet as the others lectured me.
It reminds me of Al Gore saying it's our last chance to stop global warming. You only have so many real 'last' chances before they run out.

245 posted on 03/30/2012 10:18:54 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; DoughtyOne
RE :” Obama kills oil drilling until 2018

Hold on there. He says he issued more permits than any other POTUS and he fast-tracked the pipeline, Every idea he has implemented he says came from a Republican... he said so. You saying he is lying?

How about those CBO job numbers or Obama-care cost estimates? Not true?

He look so serious when he tells us this. I have to believe him.

246 posted on 03/30/2012 10:28:20 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: sickoflibs; AuH2ORepublican; randita; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

My thoughts on the House, not much change. I’d bet on + or - more than 10 seats either way.


247 posted on 03/30/2012 10:29:38 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: justiceseeker93

This year the minions of The Anointed One will see to it that there will be bloody riots..be prepared..


248 posted on 03/30/2012 11:56:23 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker
That type of presidency above would give us another 2009 and 2010 (in 2017) and Dems will really get things done the second time.

mittens [like the last of W] is the setup for disaster indeed...SOL has been pretty consistent in reading the political tea leaves, and i believe that this would be our *best* case scenario...

the whole setup of 'lesser of evils' tells me that we are being played to choose our own method of suicide...either way, we die...

the ballot isnt designed to vote 'against' a candidate...ive never found that option in the booth...

i wont vote 'for' bambam or his kissin cousin type statist pol brethren...

if [when] bambam gets his lame duck term, the mask and pressure ratchet up, and *maybe* he oversteps enuff to startle the herd and find the pushback line...

we'll know shortly...

249 posted on 03/31/2012 5:54:57 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Sybeck1
Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) said the law has been thoroughly vetted.

“As a senior member of the Finance Committee,” he said, “I can tell you that we had one of the most rigorous and transparent legislative processes that I have witnessed in almost 3 decades here in the Congress. We worked with some of the brightest, most thoughtful and experienced constitutional lawyers in order to make sure that the law was constitutional.”

Satire, straight from the horse's *ss, with no middle man.

250 posted on 03/31/2012 6:00:27 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can't be both. Pick one.)
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