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Posted on 03/30/2012 6:35:44 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/03/29/20120329texas-sovereign-citizens-continue-year-standoff.html


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: dissent; extremist; paranoia
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To: Trod Upon

I’d never heard about this one. Skimmed article, going to fully read. Thanks for the link.


61 posted on 03/30/2012 10:17:27 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: GeronL

You probably get put on a watch list if you visit that website.


62 posted on 03/30/2012 10:23:06 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I’m sorry but I really can’t take the word of the Waco holocaust electronic museum as in anyway authoritative.

From what i read its not unreasonable to expect a cult which seemed to exist among the Davidians to commit mass-suicide. That being said I have no idea what happened, and i agree the U.S. Government had no little to no legitimate business being there certantly not in the numbers and forces which were present.

What I do know of Ruby ridge is that the Local & State authorities were indeed outraged by what the Feds did there. So outraged that they ended up filing murder charges against the Federal Snipers.


63 posted on 03/30/2012 10:27:10 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: smokingfrog

the folks at the SPLC see neo-nazi’s under their bed at night & have stated that the AMERICAN LEGION IS A HATE GROUP. These folks are denser than a great big box of depleted uranium.


64 posted on 03/30/2012 10:37:13 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Nebr FAL owner
[SPLC] folks are denser than a great big box of depleted uranium.

And some of the nastiest human beings you'd ever not want to be in the same room with.

65 posted on 03/30/2012 10:49:43 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Nebr FAL owner
Morris Dees of Montgomery, AL founded the Southern Poverty Law Center in 1971 -- primarily as a "get rich quick" scheme.

He reasoned that rich liberals suffering from "white guilt syndrome" could be readily fleeced by aggressive fund-raising tactics.

And it worked like a charm. SPLC is awash in cash. It's primary business is fund-raising, not legal representation. Thus, the dramatic over-wrought assertions that organizations like the American Legion are potentially "domestic terrorists".

That's the kind of crap that causes their zealous contributors to open the checkbook.

As a "non-profit" (smirk), they also get their share of government grants.

It's a nasty operation, founded and run by nasty people.

66 posted on 03/30/2012 10:58:39 PM PDT by okie01
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To: okie01

There’s a few losers here that like to post SPLC propaganda. Mostly trying to discredit anti-illegal immigration groups.


67 posted on 03/30/2012 11:01:28 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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To: Monorprise
The Branch Davidian is/was a branch of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. While the beliefs of the members may not have been 'mainstream', the relative isolation of the group made them easy prey for sensationalist reporters who just happened to time allegations of child abuse with the raid. How convenient.

Ever think that the BATF has diddley squat to do with the jurisdiction of Texas Child Protective Services?

How about that the CPS had twice investigated the Mt. Carmel facility and found no evidence of wrongdoing? (I'm not saying they can't be fooled, but it's pretty hard to come up completely clean.)

But all you have to do to read a variety of sources on the massacre is to type in "Waco" in the search function on this website, and keep hitting 'next page' at the bottom.

Numerous articles and a great deal of discussion will be at your fingertips.

If you are willing to look.

Both Waco and the Gordon Kahl incident have something in common: Armed Federal Agents attacked American Citizens when they could have arrested persons of interest without the armed assault if they had done a smidgin of surveillance and chose an opportunity which gave them a tactical advantage, very likely with no gunplay at all.

Instead, they opted to go for headlines, and a lot of people got (unnecessarily) killed.

In Weaver's case, it is pretty obvious the gambit was entrapment and trying to turn him as an informant, then when he refused and discovered surveillance led to confrontation, the rest of the standoff ensued.

In the Kahl incident, agents attacked Kahl and his son on the roadside--only Gordon was armed, and the attack did not go well.

At Waco, the agents opted for a grandstand assault, complete with media coverage, after the operation was 'blown' (a news crew asked one of the Davidians where the location was so they didn't miss the big raid, he called home, and the line was tapped. Operational security had been lost, and the raiders knew it.).

Both Kahl and Koresh could have been apprehended in town, by themselves, Kahl at the Medina, ND barber shop, Koresh while jogging, without involving others.

Don't expect to get the details from the same media which still doesn't tell anything aproaching the truth; they were in the bag for Clinton and Janet Reno just as much as Obama.

If you do the research, not just into the raids, but into the aftermath for survivors, you will find the surviving Davidians fared far worse than the surviving Weavers.

Both were egregious abuses of power, poorly planned and executed, which led to the killing of innocents--and none more innocent than the children at Waco.

68 posted on 03/31/2012 1:50:45 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Lancey Howard

Amazing.

Other than the refrain, I had no clue what the lyrics to that song are. And I love that song.

Thank you.


69 posted on 03/31/2012 5:33:39 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

You’re welcome.
I have been a Bob Dylan fan for 45 years. He is the real deal.


70 posted on 03/31/2012 11:31:26 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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