Posted on 04/01/2012 11:27:17 AM PDT by Java4Jay
I’m having great difficulty locating the original full version of Zimmerman’s call to police, one that is not enhanced to make wind noise sound like a racial slur.
And these cases mean what. Try again. I give you something for effort but you are way off the mark.
I thought that was an outgoing/taking off to flight pattern airliner. Gee, the things I miss by not lurking more!
Liars should not be bringing God into the conversation. I tend not to be civil to people who make things up to harm another individual. You should be ashamed of yourself, but I fear you have no shame.
Anybody want to tackle that question?
Me! Me! Pick Me!
Maybe because he was concerned about the safety of his neighborhood. Being part of the Neighborhood Watch, about which Sanford Police say: "Training provided by law enforcement agencies to Neighborhood Watch organizations stresses non-contact surveillance of suspicious situations and notifying police of those situations so that law enforcement can respond and take control of the situation."
"Surveillance" would be "maintaining sight," in case you didn't make that connection. And he did call police, in case you missed that, too.
Frankly, I am a little tired of the idea that Zimmerman leaving his car was even unreasonable, much less illegal. One might argue it was poor judgment, as Zimmerman might (in fact, did) put himself at risk, but there is nothing illegal or threatening about walking around your own neighborhood. Or even asking a stranger what he's doing there. It certainly doesn't give that stranger a right to punch you.
Now we don't know for a fact that it happened exactly the way Zimmerman says, but his leaving the car and trying to keep an eye on Martin is certainly no reason to doubt it.
You’re the one making the baseless assertion that Zimmerman received “special treatment” by having a felony charge reduced to a misdemeanor charge and then receiving a diversion sentence. Since you’re the one making the claim, you’re the one who must provide evidence. Just to be nice, though, I have proven that there was nothing “special” done at all. Such results are commonplace in that county’s court system.
“MSNBC has also located anonymous witnesses that saw Zimmerman break his own nose, bang his own head on the cement, and roll around on the ground in order to wet his jacket.....”
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Well gee,that changes everything./s
What happened to Jeff’s murderer?
Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee, along with Capt. Robert O'Connor, made the decision to release George Zimmerman after consulting with State Attorney Norman Wolfinger --- in person. After a conversation between Lee, O'Connor and Wolfinger, the decision was made to "cut Zimmerman loose".
Homicide investigator Chris Serino filed an affidavit stating that he did not believe Zimmerman's account of the shooting. He recommended charging the 28-year-old with manslaughter, but was advised by Wolfinger's office that there wasn't enough evidence to secure a conviction. Zimmerman was subsequently released.
If true, the account may explain why Wolfinger recused himself from the case, on the same day Lee announced he was stepping aside.
Just in case you missed this earlier:
"I saw George. He was banged up. His head had two big bandages, that weren't flat, had a bump on them," the neighbor, who did not want to be identified, said.Yes there are FACTS and you Zimmerman supporters are discounting what happened AFTER Zimmerman decided to pursue Martin, caught up with him and then confronted Martin
He described where the injuries were.
"I seen him have a big bandage on his nose and his nose swollen. On the side, where his eyes were at, it was swollen," he said.
There is no evidence that Zimmerman confronted Martin. The account of Martin's own girlfriend is that Martin initiated the interaction.
Remember: It was Zimmerman pursuing Martin after leaving his truck that led to the confrontation. Martin was continuing on his way home and Zimmerman made his decision to "pursue" and confront.
We know that he left his vehicle. We know that he lost sight of Martin while still on the phone with police. We know he tried to spot him again. We know that none of those actions are unreasonable, provocative or illegal. You are assuming other things which may or may not be true - but there is no known evidence that they are true.
Under the rules of being a Neighborhood WATCH all Zimmerman legally could do was WATCH.
There is no "Neighbor hood Watch law" that would prohibit Zimmerman from getting out of his car. But even if there were, there is no evidence that Zimmerman did anything but watch.
What is it about the definition of WATCH you Zimmerman supporters are confused about?
What is it about the definition of "evidence" that you are so confused about? Most of the people responding to you are not "supporters of Zimmerman," they are just trying to stick to known facts.
The police video tape shows no dressings on the back of Zimmerman’s head nor any evidence of a “broken nose”.
The raw footage (before ABC news got through with it) shows a gash in the back of Zimmerman’s head. How can you tell Zimmerman’s nose wasn’t broken? He had received medical attention.
“Yes there are FACTS and you Zimmerman supporters are discounting what happened AFTER Zimmerman decided to pursue Martin, caught up with him and then confronted Martin.”
Zimmerman lost Martin. How did he catch up with him and confront him?
“Under the rules of being a Neighborhood WATCH all Zimmerman legally could do was WATCH.”
Wrong. It is not illeggal for Zimmerman to leave his truck, and has already been pointed out to you he was well within the “rules” to maintain visual contact.
Again Rooivalk you fail on EVERY point. Your inability to distinguish between the law and your personal preference, and to use any kind of logic or reason make it perfectly clear that you are either a) too stupid to even discuss this or b) willfully misrepresenting in order to advance an agenda. In either case, I am done with you (except I will get in touch with you again to gloat and to remind you how incredibly stupid you are).
There's a good reconstruction of what probably happened here.
From another thread discussing this theory:
Like the rest of us, that blogger's start/end places are just guesses. Zimmerman told the dispatcher at one point during the call that he was parked at a cut through but we don't know how close or on which side of the road.
There is also this bit:
19:10:55 Zimmerman: Ayup, he's coming to check me out.
...GZ never mentions how close TM is to his vehicle but he was close enough for GZ to mention this:
19:10:58 Zimmerman: He's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is.
...more chat with dispatcher - who told GZ to let him know if TM did anything else - GZ doesn't mention TM turning, walking away, or increasing/decreasing his distance. How close did TM get to GZ's truck? How much of a lead would he have when he ran?....
Based on the call, there it was about 3-4 seconds between GZ's "ah, shit - he's running!" and the time the door opened. It was another 18 seconds or so before he acknowledged the dispatcher's "we don't need you to do that." How much of a head start did TM have? If TM only had a few yards and a few seconds on GZ, would TM's instinct been to have run down a straightaway that was completely exposed if he thought GZ might not have been too far behind? Could GZ have been able to reach the north end of the walkway in time to see TM if TM was running down the straightaway for home? Were there lamps or security lights between the building, any porch lights on, any ambient light from any of the homes? Could GZ hear running footsteps?
That GZ didn't mention any of the above is something that makes me think that TM ran and ducked.
And a followup on my part from the same thread:
I just realized that the blogger may have mislabeled one point.
"2:20 – He’s heading towards the back entrance. [referring to E]"
19:11:42 Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?
19:11:44 [sound of vehicle door opening]
19:11:45 Zimmerman: Down towards the, uh, other entrance to the neighborhood.
19:11:48 Dispatcher: Okay, which entrance is that that he's heading towards?
19:11:50 Zimmerman: The back entrance…
See post 107. The back entrance to the neighborhood is south and west of the fiancee's home. It seems unlikely that GZ would claim that TM was heading down toward the other entrance if GZ only observed him running due west i.e., from C to E.
And lastly:
GZ would have had to have seen TM make the southward turn from his vehicle. Barely five seconds had lapsed from "he's running" to giving the dispatcher the direction TM ran. The distance from one road to the other looks to be about 60 yards. (World record for the 100 yard dash is over 9 seconds and that's under controlled conditions. We know that TM was wearing jeans and a hoodie and likely running on a damp sidewalk at best, over wet grass at worst, hardly ideal running conditions.)
But again, the points hinge on how close TM was to GZ when he took off. If he came close enough to check GZ out, that implies that he was closer to the junction of the road where GZ was parked and the beginning of the cut through. If he took off from that point, it seems that turning between the building would better fit the time and GZ's observation of his direction. Taking the first available turn (the sidewalk between the buildings) and breaking line of sight would also make more sense than running in a direction that would give GZ a sustained line of sight. The E point on the blogger's map/timeline just doesn't make sense to me.
Long story, short - While I think it likely that TM ran and hid and at some point he was either discovered or chose to reveal himself, the times seem a bit off for E to be the point at which GZ lost sight of him.
Zimmerman had no authority, and needed no authority (or “cause,”) to leave his vehicle. He was well within his legal rights to walk through his own neighborhood, even to follow Martin (if that’s what he did.) As to who “confronted” whom, we don’t know that. But I would suggest to you that even if it began with Zimmerman asking Martin who he was and what he was doing, that is not illegal, or provocative, or assault.
And it is quite possible to behave in a suspicious manner without actually being engaged in the commission of a crime.
“Zestimated to be worth $160,500, “
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Good Lord,that would be a dump in my area.
Wish I could relocate.
Go to the Sanford link in post #16 and read the burglary reports and see if you can find a common denominator, including the home invasion with the frightened woman hiding in her locked bedroom with the intruders trying to enter only to run when police arrive.
Pursue: 1 : to follow in order to overtake, capture, kill, or defeat. (Merriam Webster)
There is no evidence that Zimmerman was pursuing Martin. The evidence shows that he was following him in order to maintain visual contact. Completely legal.
I think he got the point "E" from an interview given by Zimmerman's father, in which he recounted that Zimmerman had continued in the same direction on the path through to the other street before turning around. Not that "E" was the point where he lost sight of Martin.
I agree with you about Martin's likely route. It is tough to square that route and running home with the rest of the timeline. The fight began no more than 2 1/2 minutes after Zimmerman hung up the phone in nearly the exact spot where Martin would last have been seen.
My own map and timeline is here. I welcome corrections.
You're the only one speculating. I've backed up my facts with evidence. Nice job trying to walk back your earlier baseless claims, though.
However we do know that Zimmerman overstepped his authority as a Neighborhood Watch
He needs no "authority" derived from his Neighborhood Watch position. He has every right as an ordinary citizen to speak to, approach, challenge, call out, yell at or insult anyone he wants, anywhere he wants.
Zimmerman had NO cause to leave his truck.
He needs none. You're literally making up things.
I have asked others who support Zimmerman to explain his actions. Can you do it?
We don't have to. That isn't how our system of laws and Constitution works. You propose a fascist system wherein otherwise lawful conduct must be accounted for to some authority. No thanks. It's a different Amerika you seek. I want no part of it.
The mortician said TM's only injury was the gunshot wound. He has no reason to lie.
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