Golf course can sue gun range(Barf alert)

mysanantonio.com ^ | 4 April, 2012 | Michelle Mondo

[marktwain]

Here is a link to an article with a bit more information and a map:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2868170/posts?page=1

[muawiyah]

Seriously, at some point under some circumstances (dead bodies all about) your basic principles of planning and zoning just simply break down.

[marktwain]

More articles that shed a little light on the golf course gun shot.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2868175/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2868179/posts

[marktwain]

This article says that the range was there first:

The golf course is city-owned and privately operated. It opened in 1989. The shooting range which operates within a few miles of the course opened about 35 years ago.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2868175/posts

[marktwain]

Finally, I found a story that mentions the caliber. It was .223:

Whether what whizzed by the two employees golfing at the 15th hole on Monday was definitely a bullet is one thing but there's no doubt a stray .223-caliber round had to be removed from Flores’ sternum.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2868186/posts

[jagusafr]

Quite a surprise to me! I’ve lived here for 36 years and hadn’t heard of the range till they started running radio ads last year. Color me slightly chastened...

[marktwain]

3,600 meters is 2.23 miles.

M16/A2 shoots a 5.56mm/.223 cartridge:

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Describe the ranges for the M16/A2 Rifle.

* Maximum Range - 3,600 meters

* Max Effective Range for a Point Target - 550 meters

* Max Effective Range for an Area Target - 800 meters

http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/m16a2/m16a2-study-guide.shtml

[marktwain]

This link has a velocity listed for a .223 round at maximum range:

.223 Remington (55 gr SP BT)

Muzzle Velocity 3240 ft/s

Maximum Range 3875 yard, 2.20 mile

Impact Velocity 545 ft/s

http://askville.amazon.com/shooting-gun-bullet-travel/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=3928729

[VeniVidiVici]

The course at Pan Mun Jom is far more challenging :-)

LOL! I'd say so! At least our minefield had a big ass wall in front of it.

[VeniVidiVici]

And it probably didn’t enter his sternum point first. I’m willing to bet it probably flopped against his chest and buried itself in his flesh.

[Cvengr]

IMHO, the order to halt rifle fire isn’t unreasonable.

They can still have pistol fire safely.

Unless the range owns the golf course and can maintain public safety, then they need to be held accountable for the damages caused by the rounds straying from their range.

Likewise, a golf course is also liable for damage caused by stray golf balls off their property.

IMHO, I’d be more worried if I were a pilot in a small plane using VFR approach rules.

[Hot Tabasco]

when he was struck by a stray bullet while playing the course's 12th hole,

Since when did drive-by shootings have to be in black neighborhoods?

[driftdiver]

Accidents do happen but once someone is shot they need to get to the bottom of what happened. Either someone was irresponsible or the range is designed wrong.

I’d kinda doubt the bullet came from the range though.

[driftdiver]

From the one link - “All day long I heard gun shots and I was thinking that sounds kind of close”.

Seems like the bullet didn’t penetrate much which would be consistent with the 2 mile range. Depending on the layout I’d think the sound would be pretty faint.

[VeniVidiVici]

Either someone was irresponsible or the range is designed wrong.

I'd say the range was designed properly. It was the dumbass that decided to put a golf course and a housing community behind it that should be shot.

Sort of like people moving in next to an airport then filing complaints about the noise.

[driftdiver]

“I’d say the range was designed properly. It was the dumbass that decided to put a golf course and a housing community behind it that should be shot. “

So nobody should be able to use their property 2 miles behind a gun range? hogwash

[Joe 6-pack]

It’s not a more challenging course from a technical standpoint, but the hazards are a bee-otch. :-)

[marktwain]

I’d kinda doubt the bullet came from the range though.

Exactly.

There is no evidence that the bullet came from the range. Zip. Zero.

There is just supposition that because there is a range within two miles, that the bullet came from the range.

I see no reason for riflery at the range to be shut down based on the allegation that the bullet came from the range, with nothing to support it.

The range has not had any incidents in 20 years.

[VeniVidiVici]

So nobody should be able to use their property 2 miles behind a gun range? hogwash

They are using it. But they were also aware when they bought the property that there was a shooting range a few miles away.

[marktwain]

And it probably didn’t enter his sternum point first. I’m willing to bet it probably flopped against his chest and buried itself in his flesh.

We simply do not know. It could have been fired 400 yards away, hit a twig, and been tumbling. Once bullets start to tumble, they lose energy very quickly.