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Big Tobacco adds nearly $9 million to fight against cigarette tax (CA)
LA Slimes ^ | April 6, 2012 | | na

Posted on 04/06/2012 4:02:20 PM PDT by Drango

Big Tobacco is going all in against Proposition 29, the June ballot measure that would hike cigarette taxes by $1 per pack.

On Thursday, the parent companies of Philip Morris USA and R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co. reported nearly $9 million in contributions to the opposition campaign. That gives the tobacco companies a war chest of more than $23.5 million ...

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Tobacco companies appear to be fighting public sentiment. A USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times poll last month found that 68% of California voters favored Proposition 29, compared with 29% who opposed it.

Still, the public has rejected a variety of tax increases in recent years, including tobacco levies. In 2006, voters spurned a proposal to increase cigarette taxes by $2.60 a pack to reimburse hospitals for treating uninsured patients and to expand health insurance coverage for children.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimesblogs.latimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: antitobaccoscam; liberaltax
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To: Eaker
Seems like I remember seeing that on a thread as to why he hates smoking.

I think I remember a thread where Eaker was recruiting kids to addiction.

51 posted on 04/06/2012 7:02:11 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

Smoking is a nasty habit besides the secondhand smoke.

The advertising propaganda to endear cigarettes as something appealing is a bit over the top.

And the only reason for overly taxing tobacco products is because that’s where taxation can hide behind discouragement at the same time.


52 posted on 04/06/2012 7:02:24 PM PDT by Razzz42
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To: Drango

Seems you took the cowards way out and skipped my other post there pudgy.


53 posted on 04/06/2012 7:05:24 PM PDT by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: Razzz42
And the only reason for overly taxing tobacco products is because that’s where taxation can hide behind discouragement at the same time.

Liberals are sneaky bastards aren't they? Anyone who supports this tax is a liberal.

54 posted on 04/06/2012 7:07:04 PM PDT by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: Drango

Are you obtuse? You sound like a parrot. The subject of voting rights isn’t even relevant to this thread.

Attempting to engage in meaningful discourse with you is pointless; however, discussion and an exchange of ideas is clearly not your purpose here.


55 posted on 04/06/2012 7:08:23 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Drango

Still a “Cafeteria Conservative”, I see. You friggin hypocrites slay me.


56 posted on 04/06/2012 7:10:40 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walked into a bar; barkeep said "Hi Mitt")
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To: Drango

Isn’t a gun in a child’s hands more dangerous than a cigarette?


57 posted on 04/06/2012 7:21:05 PM PDT by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: Drango

>>Often the voices of addiction or death pimping try to shut out conservatives. Addicting children is not a conservative value.<<

Repeating a failed argument is not a new argument.

As a FRiend, the least I can do is tell you when you are forensically vapid.

Please don’t do it a 3rd time. Your Nanny Undies are already showing — I am trying to keep you from looking like a total fool, instead of the partial fool of which your posts so far have made you.


58 posted on 04/06/2012 7:40:01 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: freedumb2003

As a FRiend it’s a FACT that conservatives from Washington to Florida marched into voting booths and voted to tax/or restrict cigarettes. Their legislature too.

Was it to protect children? Or to raise taxes? Or reduce consumption?? Can’t say. But conservatives by the thousands voted, and we will vote in the next California election.


59 posted on 04/06/2012 7:48:58 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Razzz42

>>And the only reason for overly taxing tobacco products is because that’s where taxation can hide behind discouragement at the same time.<<

Thanks for reminding me of the beautiful irony of the California War on Tobacco. I can get links if needed, but the summary is this:

* California had a potential income stream from the multi-billion dollar suit against Big Tobacco. California took a one time payment for pennies on the dollar (think 877 CASH NOW or whatever it is).
* The California Budget projected billions from tobacco sales taxes. But at damn near a buck a pack, the revenue DECREASED since people quit (good on them) or resorted to the black or gray market. The State may say their tactics worked, but, as usual for liberal misunderstanding of human nature, it blew back in California’s face.


60 posted on 04/06/2012 7:49:01 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Drango

I guess we should have one statist freak in every zoo, jail or gulag.


61 posted on 04/06/2012 7:53:51 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Drango

>>As a FRiend it’s a FACT that conservatives from Washington to Florida marched into voting booths and voted to tax/or restrict cigarettes. Their legislature too.<<

Her at FR, we aren’t too impressed with strawmen. Appeal To Authority doesn’t exactly get a lot of press either.

I tried to advise you — but running the entire gambit of logical fallacies is all you Nanny Stater liberals have. If it will help you, I can give you a couple of more logical fallacies (besides the simple begging the question which you keep trodding through over and over).

I mean, if your FRiends won’t provide you the forensic rope by which you can hang yourself, who will?

(ask a simple question, get a stupid and evasive answer)


62 posted on 04/06/2012 7:55:23 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: freedumb2003
Appeal To Authority

Well said...See you at the voting booth.

63 posted on 04/06/2012 7:57:47 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

>>Well said...See you at the voting booth.<<

You didn’t understand that was a logical fallacy, did you?


65 posted on 04/06/2012 8:00:15 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Drango

I abandoned California, land of my birth, last year to get away from people like you. I took my 6 figure income with me (I work for a global company so it was just an administrative shift for me).

Good luck for you and yours replacing the income you are stampeding out of the State — there are more people in the cart than pulling it and the people pulling are leaving in droves.

Soon even your beloved liberal millionaires will become sickened by being targeted as the “evil rich” you liberals love to hate and will relocate (silently). Then it will be Nanny Staters like you who are too stupid to realize you are being played. Or you are enjoying your ability to CONTROL people, like a CID on steroids.

Pay up, bucko.

(btw, I give to a lot of charities, probably more than what you make in a year — but they are chosen by me and have proven track records of real help)


67 posted on 04/06/2012 8:07:56 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Drango
".....I favor the tax and will vote for it as will most conservatives....."

As one of the few and last Conservative Business owners still here in Calif., you don't speak for me. You apparently seem to think Californians are NOT taxed enough already; that fact (the mere thought) alone is disgusting. There aren't enough alleged "Conservatives" left in Calif., to pass this law. But every Left Wing Kook, Goon + Freaky here 'probably will' vote for another tax + when they and YOU do, you'll already be quite aware of where you can put your copy of your L.A. Slimes Newspaper, as you probably are STILL one of the few home delivery subscribers.

68 posted on 04/06/2012 8:09:17 PM PDT by Pagey (B. Hussein Obama is weak, and is a worse human being than F.D.R., on multiple levels.)
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To: Drango

You don’t care about kids. You care about controlling other people.

You are probably chronically PWd and the only way you can even approach manhood is by using the State as your arm to restrict liberty. Next up for you, no more sweets, fast food or anything else you can use to replace your manhood with using the State as a club.


69 posted on 04/06/2012 8:11:33 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Drango

...marched into voting booths and voted to tax/or restrict cigarettes...


Marched like little control freak nazis... They will be coming after the meat eaters and fatties soon. They just need a control freak liberal to give them a shout out.


70 posted on 04/06/2012 8:12:22 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: freedumb2003
I abandoned California,

We agree on that...I'd leave California in a hearbeat if I could find work somewhere else. Yes taxes are way too high. The paradox is that they are not high enough on cigarettes.

71 posted on 04/06/2012 8:16:07 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: SaraJohnson
little control freak nazis

I'm proud to be called a little control freak nazis by those who pimp addiction or death.

72 posted on 04/06/2012 8:22:00 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

>>We agree on that...I’d leave California in a hearbeat if I could find work somewhere else. <<

That confirms what many of us thought...

>> Yes taxes are way too high. The paradox is that they are not high enough on cigarettes.<<

You don’t understand the economics of taxation yet, do you? You have had a lot of people try to school you but you just don’t get it.

I am still sure you would be more comfortable on DU, KOS of Huffpo.


73 posted on 04/06/2012 8:28:28 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Drango

>>I’m proud to be called a little control freak nazis by those who pimp addiction or death<<

Or anything else you, in your tiny brain and massive ego, don’t like.


74 posted on 04/06/2012 8:30:13 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Drango

Isn’t a gun in a child’s hands more dangerous than a cigarette?

I have asked this three times yet you haven’t answered.

Stumped the liberal?


75 posted on 04/06/2012 8:47:13 PM PDT by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: Eaker

I’m sorry? What???


76 posted on 04/06/2012 8:56:57 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

Remmeber how the lottery was sold to us? “Our schools will benefit too.” what a crock of feces.

Conservative, eh? Like the Republican party. What nonsense.


77 posted on 04/06/2012 9:17:05 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Drango
I’m sorry

I agree.

If you can't figure it out I'll connect the dots for you.

Or we can wait until tomorrow when you are a little more sober.

78 posted on 04/06/2012 9:27:04 PM PDT by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: JoanneSD

Agreed, it’s also odd that they are working to drive tobacco underground as they legalize MJ.


79 posted on 04/07/2012 12:48:23 PM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: Drango

Give up your losing liberal argument?

LOL!


80 posted on 04/07/2012 5:41:34 PM PDT by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: Drango

Your argument descends into ad hominem, and becomes a red herring. You can be opposed to smoking and not want to have higher cigarette taxes.

I oppose smoking, I don’t want people addicted to nicotine. I don’t want the government to cynically tax the addicted to make up for their budgeting problems. Education is the proper course here. They know that smokers are stuck, addicted and to try to ream them for another $300-$700 bucks a year (on top of gosh knows how much more they already kick in) is just downright punitive.


81 posted on 04/10/2012 8:48:24 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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