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I think we see the real reason that the leftists oppose the "Stand Your Ground" and "Castle Doctrine" laws. The crime rate has been cut in half.
1 posted on 04/25/2012 7:31:41 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Eric Holder and his people want guns outlawed because they consider violent crime to be a legitimate career path, and armed victims to be an OSHA violation.


2 posted on 04/25/2012 7:34:59 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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Bookmark.


3 posted on 04/25/2012 7:36:39 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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The guy who pulled the trigger did not kill the punk, those that created the punk society did. If it would have been Zimmerman with any other racial group, a death would not have occurred.


4 posted on 04/25/2012 7:39:33 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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"One unusual aspect of Florida’s law that will be apparent in this case is that Zimmerman has a right to a pretrial hearing at which he can try to convince Judge Kenneth Lester, by “a preponderance of the evidence,” that he acted in self-defense."

This is a big plus in that the prosecution will have to bring out every shred of evidence it has at this early hearing in an attempt to rebut the assertion of self-defense. If it has nothing, Zim will walk. If it has something then the defense gets an early opportunity to cross examine the state witnesses and "lock them in" with regard to any later testimony at trial. It is going to be very, very difficult to convict this guy.

5 posted on 04/25/2012 7:39:37 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: marktwain; E. Pluribus Unum

In Great Britain, the people who commit robberies, burglaries, assaults and murders are not considered criminals. The only real criminals are any citizens who dare try to defend themselves or (gasp!) their property.

That’s what the leftists want here.


6 posted on 04/25/2012 7:39:45 AM PDT by samtheman ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc)
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Since 1987, when Florida adopted a nondiscretionary carry permit law ... the state’s violent crime rate has been cut nearly in half.

Repeat and repeat and repeat.

7 posted on 04/25/2012 7:41:26 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: marktwain

Finally an MSM piece that recognizes that SYG is *probably* not going to be the defense. Self-defense is.


8 posted on 04/25/2012 7:44:55 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: marktwain

Most people blathering about either side of the “stand your ground” vs “duty to retreat” issue fail to see there is no contradiction: if retreat is possible*, shooting isn’t justified; if shooting is justified*, retreat isn’t an option. The “stand your ground” law just codifies this, enforcing the notion of “innocent until proven guilty”.

* - ignoring small odds and strained logic.


11 posted on 04/25/2012 7:51:04 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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“which eliminated the duty to retreat from an assailant”

I don’t remember swearing an oath to retreat. Ever.


13 posted on 04/25/2012 7:55:25 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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Contrary to New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg....

Let me correct that: Despot. Not Mayor, Despot. He's a Despot in the purest sense, in every sense of the word. Come live here in New York city like I do if you want to get an idea what it's like to live under a totalitarian state. That's what the people get when they vote for a liberal posing as a Republican.

18 posted on 04/25/2012 8:08:29 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (From the dough tree we get donuts.)
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Florida Statues 782.04 section 2

The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. (3) When a person is killed in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any:(removed for brevity ... drugs, sexual battery, robbery, kidnapping, escape ...)

by a person other than the person engaged in the perpetration of or in the attempt to perpetrate such felony, the person perpetrating or attempting to perpetrate such felony is guilty of murder in the second degree, which constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

Source

Based upon the information made available, they will have to prove that Zimmerman was of a 'depraved mind' when he killed Trayvon. This is nearly impossible to prove, expecially when the evidence shows Trayvon pounding Zimmermans head against the sidewalk at that point in time.

21 posted on 04/25/2012 8:15:58 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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Zimmerman shouldn’t even go to trial.

He shouldn’t have been charged.


22 posted on 04/25/2012 8:17:36 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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George was under no obligation to get beat to death!

THAT is why he should be aquitted!


23 posted on 04/25/2012 8:20:23 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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From the article: “The law’s opponents note that the annual number of justifiable homicides in Florida (excluding police shootings) nearly tripled after the law was passed in 2005, from an average of 12 from 2000 to 2004 to an average of 35 from 2006 to 2010.”

Which possibly means that an average of 23 people per year were unjustly prosecuted during the years 2000-2004 for successfully defending themselves. Alternatively, they were afraid to use their guns to defend themselves from an assault in the absence of a Stand Your Ground law and now they’re just dead.


28 posted on 04/25/2012 9:06:08 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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"... . The law’s opponents note that the annual number of justifiable homicides in Florida (excluding police shootings) nearly tripled after the law was passed in 2005, from an average of 12 from 2000 to 2004 to an average of 35 from 2006 to 2010... [you] would expect to see an increase in homicides deemed to be justified even if the law were working as intended."

Many years ago in debates with fellow gun rights advocates, the subject of broadening personal security through concealed carry of firearms was a hot issue. The thinking went along the lines of "We'll expect an initial increase in justifiable homicides, but overall the crime rate will decrease once criminals know that their game is riskier because they'll start being countered by citizens exercising CCW with the law on their side."

I used to say "I agree, but the gun grabbers will make a point to showcase some high profile justifiable homicide cases and cause them to be the flavor of the month. They're not going to sit still and let a bunch of street hoodlums get shot to death without making us out to be the bad guy. Anyone who shoots and kills a bad guy out on the street is going to be left completely on their own against the liberal media."

These discussions go back over 20 years when CCW was not sweeping the land and the thought of it becoming a national movement seemed an unlikely prospect we gun right libertarians were merely fantasizing about.

Well, we're finally here -- thank God -- and Zimmerman is our own not so clean-cut case that we needed to warn ourselves against. His lawyer better win this case. America with it's thug-embracing modern culture needs to get served notice that people can suffer immediate and irreversible repercussions if they don't behave themselves civilly.

CCW is not just some government license to deploy, it's intended to be used in practice. We never intended hidden guns to be a mere warning, they're a 'No Apologies' option for decent people intent on protection and defense.

29 posted on 04/25/2012 9:08:16 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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This was an act of self defense pure and simple.

The gun did it's job, it protected someone from being killed, and that is what the Left hates.

30 posted on 04/25/2012 9:25:18 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!-Sam Adams)
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I am still the ONLY person who will be making the decision as to whether I am in danger or not.

NO ONE else lives here—I live rural—Sheriff wouldn’t be here in less than 10 minutes—etc.

Decisions about my own safety are now & always have been in my own purview since I was about 10.

I surely don’t expect to ask someone else’s opinion as to whether I should, could, would, or ought to protect myself, up to & including killing an attacker or a person who is menacing me.

It seems we have bred the survival gene out of the last 3 generations.

I feel pretty sure I still have such genes & they will trigger a strong response when I need one.

I AIN’T ASKING PERMISSION OF THIS AUTHOR!!!


31 posted on 04/25/2012 9:58:13 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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WOW! This article comes from the CHICAGO Sun Times. Reason is even beginning to penetrate the darkest fever swamps of the left.


33 posted on 04/25/2012 10:07:05 AM PDT by libstripper
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The title should read:

"Why Trayvon's Intended Victim Should be Acquitted"

37 posted on 04/26/2012 1:16:34 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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