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ATF: 68,000 Guns Recovered in Mexico Trace to US
Epoch Times ^ | April 26, 2012 | Alex Johnston

Posted on 04/26/2012 10:33:36 PM PDT by neverdem

Mexican authorities have recovered around 68,000 guns that traced back to the United States in the past five years, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) said on Thursday.

“Since 2007, trace data shows a trend in recovered and submitted crime guns from Mexico shifting from pistols and revolvers to rifles,” the ATF said in a statement.

The agency added that reports from officials in Mexico show “certain types of rifles, such as the AK and AR variants with detachable magazines, are used more frequently to commit violent crime by drug trafficking organizations.”

The ATF said it was able to trace back 68,000 of more than 99,000 guns that were submitted by Mexican authorities.

Mexican officials in the past have complained that drug cartels often wind up with U.S.-sourced guns in their bloody wars against each other and the army.

Related Articles Mexico Seizes Massive Cache of Ammo Coming From US

At least 47,000 people have been killed in the conflict since President Felipe Calderon directed the army to act against cartels in 2006.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Mexico
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; borderwars; corruption; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; govtabuse; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; obama; undertheradar
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Here comes the agitprop. How many came from the U.S. gov't? They're still mum about Fast and Furious.
1 posted on 04/26/2012 10:33:37 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
So, where are they going to hold the big Gun Sale?
2 posted on 04/26/2012 10:36:27 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: neverdem

How many guns were not submitted to the ATF because the Mexican government knew they were either locally-sourced or from South America?


3 posted on 04/26/2012 10:39:35 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: neverdem

I have an idea, let’s just keep Mexicans from crossing the border into our country illegally.


4 posted on 04/26/2012 10:47:16 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: neverdem
Here comes the agitprop. How many came from the U.S. gov't?

I'll bet the match is over 70% (my gut says 90%). Reason is that weapons from the US would be so expensive as to be uncompetitive on the black market.

Wouldn't you just love to have the ATF F&F serial number file to compare with those from recovered weapons in Mexico? Frankly, it's amazing they've been able to keep the wraps on that data for so long.

5 posted on 04/26/2012 10:50:49 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: neverdem
The agency added that reports from officials in Mexico show “certain types of rifles, such as the AK and AR variants with detachable magazines, are used more frequently to commit violent crime by drug trafficking organizations.”

Oh, gee, I guess that we need to ban them.

/s

BTW, they forgot to call them "high powered assault weapons". Must be getting careless.

6 posted on 04/26/2012 10:57:01 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: neverdem

Fats and Furious has pretty much destroyed the gun grabber’s lies about US guns in Mexico.


7 posted on 04/26/2012 10:58:42 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: neverdem
The ATF said it was able to trace back 68,000 of more than 99,000 guns that were submitted by Mexican authorities.

At least 47,000 people have been killed in the conflict since President Felipe Calderon directed the army to act against cartels in 2006.

Geez, that's about the same numbers the Brady bunch screams will happen every time there's a pro-gun law passed in the US.

8 posted on 04/26/2012 11:03:44 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: neverdem

Hopefully, this will inspire the Obama Administration to cease future gun shipments to the cartels.


11 posted on 04/26/2012 11:19:40 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: neverdem

How many of these ‘American weapons’ are U.S. military arms provided to the Mexican armed forces as part of our multi-billion dollar military assistance programs?


12 posted on 04/26/2012 11:23:47 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: neverdem

How many were sold to the Mexican gubment and then stolen?


13 posted on 04/26/2012 11:28:10 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The United States of America, a banana republic since 1913)
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To: Steel Wolf
How many of these ‘American weapons’ are U.S. military arms provided to the Mexican armed forces as part of our multi-billion dollar military assistance programs?

At least for the rifles, probably most of those not part of Fast And Furious/Gunwalker.

Although the Mexican Army tends to favor H&K rifles, plus their indigenous knock off of H&K (it's not identical, but clearly derived from the H&K.

14 posted on 04/26/2012 11:36:53 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: neverdem

And Fast and Furious will forever be hidden away.....unless some one high up gets indicted and has to submit sworn testimony before a judge. Not a congressional committee, a judge.


15 posted on 04/26/2012 11:42:15 PM PDT by BIGLOOK
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To: neverdem
trace data shows a trend in recovered and submitted crime guns

If my memory serves me, the last time this came up it was reported that the guns found in Mexico were first screened by Mexican authorities and those thought to be American were segregated and submitted to the US for analysis. Much to the Justice dept's suprise, most of the "submitted" guns were in fact of American origin. Looks to be the same BS here again.

Isn't there a saying that "insanity is trying the same thing over and over again expecting a different result?"

16 posted on 04/26/2012 11:45:58 PM PDT by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution! - RightyPics.com)
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To: neverdem

68,000 pounds of cocaine recovered in U.S. traced to Mexico (and that’s not even a full year).


17 posted on 04/27/2012 12:18:04 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: neverdem

Media providing cover for “Fast and furious”.

Bull Hockey!


18 posted on 04/27/2012 12:43:05 AM PDT by ChiMark (chewed up his body for a decade)
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To: neverdem

Effin... Lieyuhs...


19 posted on 04/27/2012 12:45:32 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: neverdem

So, this is what has been paying for all those spiffy new BATFE hats, t-shirts and steroids?


20 posted on 04/27/2012 12:58:17 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: neverdem

If the Damned border was properly sealed and BATF disbanded the problem would vanish.


21 posted on 04/27/2012 2:57:31 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: neverdem

I an certain that every Colt, S&W, Ruger, Remington, Bushmaster and a host if others found in Mexico can be traced to the USA.

They’re made here!


22 posted on 04/27/2012 3:13:18 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: neverdem

I’m sure all of the Mercedes and BMWs the cartels drive down there can be traced to Germany. The issue is not “U.S.-sourced”, it’s “U.S. Government-sourced”.


23 posted on 04/27/2012 3:18:42 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: neverdem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dzyLsemV8c&feature=g-all-a&hd=1
Someone have written a book about the whole Fast and Furious Scandal

Fast and Furious by Katie Pavlich B


24 posted on 04/27/2012 3:27:41 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: ozzymandus

Hey, they won’t let any facts get in the way, ever!


25 posted on 04/27/2012 3:28:21 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: neverdem

26 posted on 04/27/2012 3:37:21 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: neverdem

Amazing, I didn’t realize fast and furious was that big...shame on our government. (that’s what I believe an I’m sticking to it).


27 posted on 04/27/2012 3:58:59 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (Still a contributing Republican? Why?)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

Seems to me they have a problem with their customs service or border watch people. Ever try to get a bunch of guns into Canada?


28 posted on 04/27/2012 4:02:33 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: ozzymandus
Fats and Furious has pretty much destroyed the gun grabber’s lies about US guns in Mexico

yeah for you and me....but the MSM and the liberal mind is a fertile flower bed for deceit and anti gun thought. you will not see any of the truth on MSNBC or CBS or NBC and only the internet and FOX will broadcast any of it...

29 posted on 04/27/2012 4:20:56 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: neverdem

I left a comment after the article that the omission of the Obama Administration intentionally selling tens of thousands of firearms to drug cartels is a derelection of journalistic integrity.


30 posted on 04/27/2012 4:24:16 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: marktwain; MestaMachine; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
31 posted on 04/27/2012 4:32:54 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Joe Brower; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; ...

Surprise, surprise, surprise!


32 posted on 04/27/2012 4:41:14 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: neverdem
ATF: 68,000 Guns Recovered in Mexico Trace to US

Who cares. If Mexico weren't a cesspool of corrupt police, corrupt bureaucrats, and criminals then there wouldn't be any shootings. It's criminals who commit the crimes - not guns. A fact lost on all Democrats, the Media, and many Republicans.

33 posted on 04/27/2012 4:46:50 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: neverdem

And 13 million illegal aliens can be traced to Mexico. Coincidentally, the solution to both problems is the same. Build a damned fence.


34 posted on 04/27/2012 4:50:07 AM PDT by LouD (I stand with Scott Walker)
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To: Mouton
Ever try to get a bunch of guns into Canada

No I can't say that I have, nor would I want to. Most Canadians - especially from the eastern part, like most Brits, and most New Yorkers pi$$ themselves at the sight of gun anyway.

35 posted on 04/27/2012 4:50:29 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Steel Wolf

Excellent insight. Just because they can be “traced” back to America, doesn’t mean they crossed our southern border illegally.


36 posted on 04/27/2012 5:02:07 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Good point. I’ll Give a @#$K about the guns when both the United States and Mexico give a @#$K about the insurgency of illegal aliens coming into the US.

Until then, I don’t see an issue since neither country’s leadership wants to close the border.

And a word of caution to the ATF. Don’t try to use this as a means to undermine RKBA in the US. We’re ready for that and it’ll sting a LOT for you if you try it. You won’t want to go down this path at all. The questions you’ll have to answer are some that you don’t want to go near at all.


37 posted on 04/27/2012 5:04:34 AM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: neverdem

We don’t need ATF - PERIOD. Its an anti-Seocnd Amendment Propaganda Machine.

It needs to be disbanded. We have enough Damn police here - State Police, FBI, CIA, U.S. Marshals, municipal police, County Police, Park Police, Institutional Police, TSA, etc.etc.

The Founding Fathers would be horrified at the massive police state we have allowed to be created.


38 posted on 04/27/2012 5:37:37 AM PDT by ZULU (Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomini Tuo Da Gloriam.)
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To: neverdem

I don’t know why they even try to hide it anymore. Why not just go for broke already? The suspense is killing me.


39 posted on 04/27/2012 5:52:14 AM PDT by wastedyears (There can be only one.)
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To: Mouton

If i ever choose to move back to Canada from the states my guns will be moving with me.


40 posted on 04/27/2012 6:08:48 AM PDT by heshtesh (I believe in Sarah Palin, the rest not so much.)
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To: wastedyears

To: neverdem
How many of these ‘American weapons’ are U.S. military arms provided to the Mexican armed forces as part of our multi-billion dollar military assistance programs?.....

EXCELLENT POINT!


41 posted on 04/27/2012 6:09:35 AM PDT by Progov
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To: wastedyears

To: neverdem
How many of these ‘American weapons’ are U.S. military arms provided to the Mexican armed forces as part of our multi-billion dollar military assistance programs?.....

EXCELLENT POINT!


42 posted on 04/27/2012 6:09:35 AM PDT by Progov
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To: neverdem
Most of the guns in Mexico come in from other than the US, because they are much cheaper.

Plus, the Mexican government does not "submit" all the guns it finds to the BATFE, only the ones it suspects came from the US, so of course a high percentage of those guns will be from the US.

The relevant factor, the percentage of guns from the US of the total guns the Mexican government collected, is nowhere to be found in the article.

43 posted on 04/27/2012 6:29:00 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: neverdem
Agitprop indeed. Soon the Administration will put the UN Small Arms Treaty up for a vote.

This is what F&F was all about.

44 posted on 04/27/2012 6:46:20 AM PDT by paddles ("The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." Tacitus)
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To: neverdem
Corrected headline:


ATF: 68,000 Guns Recovered in Mexico Trace to US Government



45 posted on 04/27/2012 6:56:23 AM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: LouD

For every illegal gun turned in, get an illegal
alien in exchange, heck make it TWO!


46 posted on 04/27/2012 7:04:53 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: neverdem
Mexican authorities have recovered around 68,000 guns that traced back to the United States in the past five years, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) said on Thursday.

And there's the strategy. They'll say Bush did it too.

47 posted on 04/27/2012 7:07:31 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (There will be no vote for Myth Romney in my house. Period.)
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To: ChiMark
Media providing cover for “Fast and furious”.

Just imagine what the MSM would do if a Republican president got caught shipping guns across the boarder. They'd have mobs storming the White House by now.

Fast and Furious proves, without question, the main stream medias deadly bias.

48 posted on 04/27/2012 7:17:24 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: from occupied ga
Who cares. If Mexico weren't a cesspool of corrupt police, corrupt bureaucrats, and criminals then there wouldn't be any shootings. It's criminals who commit the crimes - not guns.

It's like shipping and distributing a truck load of arms into inner city Chicago. It's just something you shouldn't do. It wouldn't turn out well for innocent people who may be in the wrong place at the wrong time. In the Fast and Furious case, that would be the boarder control agents guarding our boarder.

49 posted on 04/27/2012 7:25:33 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: neverdem

Not directed at you but does anyone know if Mexico let that guy and his semi truck full of ammo that accidentally went into Mexico back in the US?


50 posted on 04/27/2012 7:27:03 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Unnngh! To many PDS people!)
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