Mormon Bishop Mitt Romney’s Anti-Christian Religion

http://defendchristians.org ^ | April 13, 2012 | http://defendchristians.org

[reaganaut]

For the record, I define “Christian” as someone who believes in the Trinitarian God: One Eternal God in three Persons — Father, Son, and Holy Ghost — of One single indivisible divine Substance. In short, I hold to the Athanasian Creed.

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So you agree that Mormons are NOT Christians then? A simple yes or no will do.

[reaganaut]

What defines a Christian is WHAT you believe about Christ and placing your faith in Him to save you.

How can you be a Christian if you follow a false Christ?

[metmom]

You know, the post was too coherent for Resty.

[xzins]

Loving my neighbor does not include any corollary that I must vote for him.

And, of course, extending this line of argument would make Barack Obama my neighbor, too.

And there’s no inclination on my part to vote for him, either.

However, the only Christian, praying, Trinitarian brother in the entire race is Virgil Goode, a Baptist from Virginia.

God has given us a choice, a clear choice that bears great promise because of faithfulness. Social conservatives in block voting for Goode and not evil will redound in God’s way to the good of the nation.

Social conservatives in small numbers standing for principle will be laying the groundwork for future blessing.

God has always rewarded faithfulness. He changes not.

[Elsie]

...stridency, shrillness, and name-calling is a really bad strategy.

Once again: Produce your EVIDENCE of such.

The jury wants to inspect what the Judge claims to have seen.

[Elsie]

Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

Now BB will get on YOUR case; for you've implied that MORMONs are THIEVES!

[Elsie]

For the record, I define "Christian" as someone who believes in the Trinitarian God:

Therefore; you think that MORMONs are NOT Christian.

How hard would that have been to type?

[SoConPubbie]

Bottom line, Mormons are our neighbors. We are to love our neighbors. And Jesus made it abundantly clear that "neighbor" also means people who do not believe as we do.

And our love is to take the form of Christ's love to us and the of his love that was documented in the New Testament where he was continually pointing out the error of the actions of people he met and calling them to repentence.

We are not emulating Christ's love if we refuse to warn people of the error of their lives, especially if that error leads them down the wide path to destruction which Mormonism does with their false god and their false teachings.

[SoConPubbie]

It was the people who made me mad, mad enough to prove them wrong, that got through to me and most other ex-Mormons who have become Christians say the same thing.

Only after they realize that Mormonism is a lie can we begin to love them to the Lord - an that is exactly what we do, even here on Freep.

And this is the true measure of our Love to Christ, being willing to stand in the gap and tell the truth, no matter how much it offends, no matter how much it hurts, no matter the name-calling, no matter the accusations, no matter the loss of friends or even family.

[P-Marlowe]

Actually, as you have pointed out in your wonderful book, there is really only One Great Commandment, the First above ("Love God with all thy heart...."); the second, "Love thy neighbor as thyself" is a corollary of the First. This is what God commands us to do. I think we should do it. This is what defines a Christian

Betty, IF you love the Lord with all your heart then how can you justify voting for the lesser of two evils when there is clearly a choice for good in an election? It truly appears to me that you are not exercising the true love of God when you support a person who has proven himself to be an abortion supporting, homosexual supporting socialist who actually preaches doctrines of demons over an abortion supporting homosexual supporting socialist who is ambivalent about doctrine altogether.

Since the fist commandment is to love God with all our heart and soul and mind and the second is to love our neighbor as ourselves, then the choice in this election is clear. It is not to vote for the lesser of two evils but to vote for the candidate who, like us, loves God (the real one, not the one invented by Joseph Smith) with all his heart and soul and mind.

If we love our neighbor as ourselves, then we would try to convince our neighbor to vote his conscience rather than give into the temptation to expediency.

If we were to take your apparent interpretation to its logical conclusion (i.e., we should vote for Romney because we are commanded to love him) then we should have no qualms about voting for Obama. Indeed it would be a greater sign of obedience to vote for Obama rather than Romney since Obama represents the greater evil and therefore it we would be more generous with our love of our neighbor to support someone who is further from what we view as our principles.

Love your neighbor as yourself -- Love Obama as yourself. Vote for him for President.

Do you not see the fallacy of your argument?

[metmom]

Do you really know what Mormonism teaches about who Jesus is?

They actually teach that Jesus is the half-brother of Lucifer, that Jesus was conceived by Mary when God had sex with her. Lucifer is another one of God's spirit children by another of his spirit wives.

They call who they believe in *Jesus* but it is not the Jesus of Scripture, God Incarnate - "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30), but rather another Jesus, that we are warned about in Galatians.

Not any old Jesus can save.

If the Mormons are putting their faith in a made up Jesus, all they get is a made up religion and a made up destiny. They will not be saved by a made up Jesus.

[metmom]

Sometimes, love has to be tough.

Telling people what they want to hear is not loving them.

Telling them the truth, as found in Scripture, is.

If I saw you about to be hit by a runaway truck, it’d be more loving of me to tackle you and drag you out of the way than to stand there and admonish you to be careful while leaving you in danger.

[xzins]

I would think that those violating their principles in this election would be BEGGING some, a few, of us Virgil Goode supporters to PLEASE vote for Virgil.

After all, God was willing to hold back on the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah if only 10 righteous people were found.

They should be praying that a tiny percentage of the electorate would be doing the righteous thing, since that might play a part in God giving America another chance before judgment falls.

[svcw]

I for one do not belong to a sect, I belong to the Body of Christ. I am Saved by Grace and Grace alone. I am undeserving of this Grace from an Almighty God, yet mormonism which you defend with vigor denies Grace. mormonism is not now or will it every be Christianity. It is however now and in the past anti-Christian to its very core.

[Colofornian]

If we love our neighbor as ourselves, then we would try to convince our neighbor to vote his conscience rather than give into the temptation to expediency. If we were to take your apparent interpretation to its logical conclusion (i.e., we should vote for Romney because we are commanded to love him) then we should have no qualms about voting for Obama. Indeed it would be a greater sign of obedience to vote for Obama rather than Romney since Obama represents the greater evil and therefore it we would be more generous with our love of our neighbor to support someone who is further from what we view as our principles. Love your neighbor as yourself -- Love Obama as yourself. Vote for him for President. Do you not see the fallacy of your argument?

So...per Betty Boop's logic, since Obama is our enemy, we are to love our enemy as ourselves...and consider voting for him.

So...Betty, I should then vote for Barry per your thread message here?

[Colofornian]

Almost as unattractive as folks who throw out the word BIGOT in hopes of stifeling those who post things that are very uncomfortable to them.

Hey, Elz, one comment by Betty Boop about your posts caused me to do a "truth eval" of her open judgmentalism about your approach to Mormons. (Her post #512 where she accused you of being "abusive" toward others.)

I double-checked all your posts and missed responding to this one above...This was a great answer to Ritchie -- re: the supposed "unattractiveness" of those who oppose Mormonism.

[Colofornian]

Elz...also a great response here [to Steamburg](that I missed catching first time around):

But you CAN not disagree that Mitt is a DEDICATED mormon; can you? And you WOULD not disagree that MORMONism has quite extensive expansionist plans; will you? And you probably would not boldly make the claim, that the things that MORMONism teachs, prints and believes, would NEVER influence the way the Mr. Romney would make decisions - right??

Somehow...some of the great questions you at times asked are either NEVER further addressed -- or answered well.

[Colofornian]

...the harrowing fact about some Christians is that their regard for the written word as completely "complete." That is, if you understand the doctrine, it will save you. Just believe in it; you don't have to do anything else to be saved. My problem is, any form of written language always refers to something greater than itself. It cannot be an "end in itself" in principle; its function is to point to a higher, greater Truth, of which the written word is but a declension. But it seems so many Christians nowadays think that the mastery of the written word as an end-in-itself is what saves. I do not believe this. Indeed, there is a word that describes this attitude: bibliolatry. Bibliolatry substitutes the Holy Bible for God Himself, and His Living Word. The Holy Scriptures cannot be a "reduction" of God, or a God substitute, in any way.

Betty...I tend to generically agree with what you're saying here -- Jesus said something similar one time (John 5:39), which I'll quote below...

The issue here tho is context. Sometimes a poster can say something 100% generically on the mark -- and yet leave the door wide open as to how that remark applies to the thread discussion.

That was my thought coming away from this comment. Which poster or posters do you either know well enough, or discern from this thread, that are guilty of this? Be specific...'cause on my next post re: your post in #512, I'm a bit preturbed over your moral judging of others in a thread in which you claim to only judge "facts."

Now, as I mentioned, Jesus did say something similar to your comment:

39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me... (John 5:39)

IOW...yes 'tis too easy for as Christians to "abort" this process of living testimony and forget that it leads us every minute to relate to Christ Himself. So, while ALL of us can use this general reminder; I'm not sure if you're actually also pointing fingers at given posters here re: this reminder.

[xzins]

Betty, I know of no historic Christian denomination that believes mastery of the written word grants salvation.

That would be salvation granted by virtue of a “work”, that is, mastering the text.

Although, (for those who understand this allusion) it sure would increase the relevance of “Bible Quiz” night. :>)

[Colofornian]

Betty, one comment in your post #512 bothered me from several angles...and not just as a stand-alone comment -- but both in conjunction with some of your other comments on this thread + a review of all of Elsie's posts on this thread. So allow me to take three posts to address each of those angles...

You said:

Why are you and seemingly many others on this thread so ABUSIVE of folks who are outside your sect? (Seemingly including myself.) It simply makes me cringe. At the very least, it's bad advertising of the Christian message.

Now why do I find this comment problematic?

#1 When it's to your advantage to be "one" with Christians of other denominations, you highlight that...like when you did with Tennessee Nana:
How can I be bigoted against Christians, since I am one? And try to live as one? [Post #308 to Tennessee Nana]

When it's to another poster's seeming disadvantage -- for example your attempt above to marginalize Elsie to some dark "corner" of Christendom -- it's almost like you're playing a game of chess where you place the piece that represents Elsie as being "anti" ALL other sects...I mean how can you possibly know which "sects" (besides Mormonism) that Elz opposes?