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Tom Hoefling: "Mitt Romney is still a pro-choice democrat, and admits it on his own website"
Tom Hoefling for President 2012 ^ | May 2, 2012 | Tom Hoefling

Posted on 05/02/2012 11:22:53 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

Mitt Romney: Judicial supremacist, anti-republican, pro-choice, democrat.

Here's the proof.

Listen to the eight minute audio HERE .

*Excerpted from May 1, 2012 America's Summit, Restore the Republic call


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial
KEYWORDS: democrats; romney
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To: HwyChile
the only other candidate who will be running against Obama.

Romney Republican lie number one.

stay home and let Obama win? LOL.

Romney Republican lie number two.

Are you really that dumb.

How Romney Republicans view principled conservatives.

51 posted on 05/02/2012 12:33:01 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Obama/Romney math: 0+0=0)
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To: D-fendr

I notice you haven’t denied that Mitt Romney is a pro-choice democrat.

Are you stipulating to that as well?


52 posted on 05/02/2012 12:34:52 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Obama/Romney math: 0+0=0)
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To: EternalVigilance
Principled conservatives have one trait that liberals don't have: They live in reality, and the reality is that either Obama or Romeny is going to win, so you either get behind Romeny or Obama will win. I know you are not that dumb, so that only leaves one other explanation. You are a liberal democrat.
53 posted on 05/02/2012 12:35:53 PM PDT by HwyChile
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To: EternalVigilance

I am stipulating that the primary mission in this election is to remove the current regime from power.

Would you agree?


54 posted on 05/02/2012 12:38:42 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: EternalVigilance
part of the reason for that is that he just couldn't overcome the opposition of those who have now become Romney Republicans.

...And this time around neither could Newt ,Bachman, Cain, Santorum, and all the rest. The GOP had this locked long ago.

55 posted on 05/02/2012 12:39:36 PM PDT by caww
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To: HwyChile

It’s becoming apparent you’re not familiar with the concept of principle.

The perfect Romney Republican.


56 posted on 05/02/2012 12:43:02 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Obama/Romney math: 0+0=0)
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To: EternalVigilance; HwyChile

Acting on principles requires serious consideration of the results of one’s action. I don’t see your actions as principled or moral, because the results are greater harm to the republic.

There is not even a scintilla of reasonable judgement that actions that support the regime’s election goals will do anything but further the regime’s power.


57 posted on 05/02/2012 12:43:46 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: HwyChile

[ Should we just all stay home and let Obama win? ]

Obama is proper punishment for murdering our babies.. and other things..
Could be the punishment is not over yet..

Looks like it too.. running Romney vs. Obama..
He(willard) will take a “dive” exactly like McLame did..
This Kubuki Theater of an election is all drama..
Much like the last one.. and the one before that..

The republican party seems to be NOT like Lott.. but like Lott’s WIFE..
Cause surely America has become the New Sodom..
Only thing remaining is “the SALT”.. i.e. the fix is in.. Zero will win again.


58 posted on 05/02/2012 12:45:45 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: HwyChile
Well go vote for Obama then if you are so conservative that you cannot vote for the only other candidate who will be running against Obama. What do you propose we do? Should we just all stay home and let Obama win? LOL. Are you really that dumb.

Hey, noob! You DO realize you are also insulting the owner of FreeRepublic, don't you? Maybe you should read this book before you get yourself into even MORE trouble:


59 posted on 05/02/2012 12:47:12 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: caww
The GOP had this locked long ago.

The primary consisted of candidates, campaigns, voters and elections. It was a weak field and the notRomney opposition failed to unite around one candidate.

Blaming the party is nonsense. Supporting an even weaker candidate with even less unity does nothing to fix the problem, is a nonsensical, perhaps feel good, exercise.

60 posted on 05/02/2012 12:47:24 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: caww
The GOP had this locked long ago.

The primary consisted of candidates, campaigns, voters and elections. It was a weak field and the notRomney opposition failed to unite around one candidate.

Blaming the party is nonsense. Supporting an even weaker candidate with even less unity does nothing to fix the problem, is a nonsensical, perhaps feel good, exercise.

61 posted on 05/02/2012 12:48:53 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Answer my question and I’ll answer yours.


62 posted on 05/02/2012 12:50:11 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Obama/Romney math: 0+0=0)
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To: EternalVigilance
Well you can either ride your principal into another Obama term or you can recognize that that plan is a bad plan and get behind the only other alternative, which is Romney. The old saying don't cut off your nose to spite your face applies here.
63 posted on 05/02/2012 12:50:32 PM PDT by HwyChile
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To: D-fendr

The GOP never has a good candidate (Dole, McCain, Bush, etc.). I don’t know what these “principled” conservatives expected. If you only vote for the perfect conservative candidate, you will always get a liberal democrat.


64 posted on 05/02/2012 12:53:23 PM PDT by HwyChile
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To: EternalVigilance
First I want to thank you for addressing my questions the other night on another thread on FR.
I have some new questions for you.

1) Is America's Party a previously established party, or or you a one man party?

2) In how many states are you on the ballot?

3) Is this a write in campaign?

I have not decided yet who to vote for and you are definately under consideration.

65 posted on 05/02/2012 12:56:02 PM PDT by rightly_dividing
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To: D-fendr
Acting on principles requires serious consideration of the results of one’s action.

How would you know?

I don’t see your actions as principled or moral, because the results are greater harm to the republic.

That's an amazing thing to say to someone simply because they won't support a pro-choice democrat.

Especially in light of the fact that you are saying it in support of said pro-choice democrat.

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

-- Isaiah 5:20


66 posted on 05/02/2012 12:56:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Obama/Romney math: 0+0=0)
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To: HwyChile
The choice is between Obama and Romney.

Some choice. The only difference between those two, are their team jerseys.

And don't start with the, "well at least Romney doesn't hate this country!" His record in office was just as destructive to our basic American institutions and ideals, as any far left Democrat. He hasn't changed his spots, and will govern exactly like Obama, if given the chance.

The man is one of the biggest fraud we've ever witnessed, yet people are convincing themselves that because he's got an R fixed on his jacket, he's one of us.

Good lord....

67 posted on 05/02/2012 12:58:06 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: hosepipe
Obama is proper punishment for murdering our babies.. and other things.. Could be the punishment is not over yet..

Good grief. Martyr much?

68 posted on 05/02/2012 12:59:53 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Windflier
Then vote for Obama if you don't like Romeny. Those are the two choices, and there are only two to vote for. Whining about Romney not being conservative enough does not change the facts.
69 posted on 05/02/2012 1:01:08 PM PDT by HwyChile
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To: rightly_dividing

America’s Party was founded four years ago. We have Affiliates in all fifty states.

I’m not ready to publicly talk about our ballot strategy as yet. Folks are working on it.

But, we can always use more help, if you’re willing.

It won’t be a write-in campaign if folks get off their duffs and work hard to get the job done.

Thanks for your consideration. I greatly appreciate it.


70 posted on 05/02/2012 1:02:02 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Obama/Romney math: 0+0=0)
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To: HwyChile; EternalVigilance
If you don't like Romeny, go vote for Obama and get off this board.

Funny. The boss agrees with Eternal Vigilance, not you. Seems to me it's you who oughta leave the board.

71 posted on 05/02/2012 1:03:07 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
will govern exactly like Obama, if given the chance.

So you think he will abandon his platform entirely once elected, giving up any chance of re-election?

I do not want another Obama term. So I'll make you a deal. Give Romney a term and if he's just the same as Obama, I'll help you put Obama back in office in 2016.

Deal?

72 posted on 05/02/2012 1:03:07 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: EternalVigilance
That's an excellent idea that Obama would love for you to impliment: divide the vote with a loser third party candidate. You will really show them then. LOL.
73 posted on 05/02/2012 1:04:04 PM PDT by HwyChile
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To: D-fendr; EternalVigilance; All
Acting on principles requires serious consideration of the results of one’s action. I don’t see your actions as principled or moral, because the results are greater harm to the republic

#1 this is pure utilitarian pragmatism ethics disguised as "morality" ... as if empowering an abortion healthcare mastermind like either Obama or Romney can be skewed by you to be "moral" conduct...

Tell you what...go dismember a few pre-born babies and then come back and try to spout how "moral" that action is...

Pathetic and lame.

#2...your portended "results are greater harm to the republic" might be true; might not be true.

Your phrasing here is always worth a mention on these threads (just not trying to embed them in anything "ethical").

The Q then becomes...are you speaking as a prophet here?

How do you know that God won't more immediately judge a nation of so-called "Christians" who don't mind endorsing, promoting, and elevating a man who claims to be a living embodiment of a rival god to THE God???

If somehow you think that God didn't tend to get more riled up over the spiritual adultery of His people -- than the pagans in the Old Testament -- then you haven't carefully read the OT.

74 posted on 05/02/2012 1:04:27 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: D-fendr

[ Good grief. Martyr much? ]

The election is Kabuki Theater.. nobody actually dies.. its all drama..
except for, of course, the babies.. they die..


75 posted on 05/02/2012 1:06:59 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: HwyChile

You have definite trollish qualities.


76 posted on 05/02/2012 1:07:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Obama/Romney math: 0+0=0)
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To: HwyChile
It is over.

Are you premature, ahem, in other areas as well?

77 posted on 05/02/2012 1:08:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: EternalVigilance
How would I know that: Acting on principles requires serious consideration of the results of one’s action?

I think that's self-evident. Do you disagree?

Problem is I'm not granting you high moral ground just because you claim it - while acting in a manner that does not seriously consider the result of such actions.

If you had principle you would have opposed who seems to be your main opponent in the primary - where defeating him could, possibly, have actually done some good other than helping Obama. That would have been principled and courageous and require actual political skills to build a successful campaign.

Something more than this internet self-gratification.

It's not principled at all to do so, and I'm certainly not going to support your personal party in some act of self perceived self-righteous suicide that only furthers the power of the current. No thanks.

"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his."
- George S. Patton

78 posted on 05/02/2012 1:09:29 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: hosepipe

Sorry, can’t join you in your own drama. I can give up anytime.

I’m claiming to still be alive and kicking thus far.


79 posted on 05/02/2012 1:11:12 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: HwyChile
We all

"We"??? Who's "we"? You and your dog?

know

You don't know jack shit, n00b.

80 posted on 05/02/2012 1:12:37 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: HwyChile
That's an excellent idea that Obama would love for you to impliment: divide the vote with a loser third party candidate. You will really show them then. LOL.

I don't care what socialist pro-choice democrats think.

81 posted on 05/02/2012 1:12:53 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Obama/Romney math: 0+0=0)
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To: SoothingDave
So you think he will abandon his platform entirely once elected, giving up any chance of re-election?

Why are you putting any stock in a lying scum politician's campaign rhetoric to begin with? Especially when that scumbag politician can't sort out which side of the fence he's on from day to day.

If you want to know how any man will operate in the future, look to the deeds of his past. Reviewing Romney's record in office is the only objective method of gauging what he's liable to do as president, if elected - and that record is decidedly left liberal.

The bottom line is, we conservatives have been had, once again. The two primary contenders in this contest both work for the same masters. We have no real choice, except to maintain our personal integrity, and refuse to choose either of them.

The right and only real choice for patriots at this point, is resistance. Figure out what that means to you, then do it.

82 posted on 05/02/2012 1:13:18 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Are you familiar with a person called “President Obama”?

I am. About his record and beliefs I hold no delusion.

The choice is the one we have little faith in versus the one we know is an anti-American disaster.

The choice is easy for me.


83 posted on 05/02/2012 1:15:34 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: D-fendr

Wow. That’s classic Romney Republican sophistry.

Translated, what you’re saying is, “Being unprincipled is principled and being principled is unprincipled.”

Thanks for coming on here and illustrating my points so thoroughly Greatly appreciated.


84 posted on 05/02/2012 1:16:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Obama/Romney math: 0+0=0)
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To: D-fendr

Is that YOU Barack?... Snazzy comeback... or even Karl Rove..


85 posted on 05/02/2012 1:16:12 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: EternalVigilance

Beware of pro Obama marxists infiltrating conservative websites.


86 posted on 05/02/2012 1:16:34 PM PDT by kenmcg (How)
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To: Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
I want that cocky smirk off Obama's face.


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How badly??



87 posted on 05/02/2012 1:16:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: D-fendr; HwyChile; EternalVigilance; All
I've saved my most pertinent comment for a second post here...showing that D-fendr has implicated himself here -- along with the rest of the new-found Romney supporters on FR & elsewhere.

There is not even a scintilla of reasonable judgement that actions that support the regime’s election goals will do anything but further the regime’s power. [D-fendr]

You do know, doncha, D-fendr that when Obama's gatekeepers and wonks and campaign strategists and some key MSM leaders all sat down in late 2010 or early 2011 and figured out, "OK, who's the best we could hope for as the GoP nominee?" That the answer to that Q was Romney... hands-down.

Why?

Reason #1: Romney was part of an openly racist org that he gave 10% to the first 13 yrs of his adult life; Obama is black. Bingo! The MSM can make the campaign a referendum on racism.

Reason #2: Romney and Obama are the socialistic healthcare pioneer twins. It totally undercuts any Romney or GoP crits of ObamaCare. (And the same goes for Big Govt crits of Obama; 'cause socialistic healthcare is THE ultimate big govt overreach)

Reason #3: They knew Romney's pro-abortion stances and waffling on social issues would ostracize the social-issues voters...both evaporating such voters & draining any significant energy toward a get-out-the-vote.

Reason #4: They knew whacky Mormonism would have a similar ostracizing effect on Evangelicals and liberals -- and to a lesser degree Independents and other religious voters.

Reason #5: How can anybody criticize Obama's apparent closet Muslim caterings/ties when the major opponent is somebody who thinks he's a "god in embryo" and needs to necro-baptize Holocaust victims?

Reason #6: How can the "birthers" complain about a man not likely born in the U.S. when the major opponent doesn't deny his religious belief that he didn't even originate on this planet! (Romney thinks he's an alien spirit-born in a place near Kolob, whatever that is)

I could go on & on...with more similarities re: appointing liberal judges, global warming, how Romney is the perfect "class-envy" candidate due to Bain's actions and Romney's wealth, etc....

What does that mean for this conversation? Well, D-fendr, you claimed "that actions that support the regime's election goals" doesn't equate to "even a scintilla of reasonable judgement."

Well...tell us D-fendr...How do you new Romney bandwagon riders like being part of one of the primary "election goals" that have gone back about a year and a half for RegimeObama? Tell us!

You are all ObamaRegime's a dream come true...something they probably thought their MSM operatives and state-level temp party switchover voters (in those states that allow that in primaries) could NEVER in their wildest fantasies pulled off!

How do you feel being the direct subject of an ObamaTeam's fantasy??? Do you enjoy knowing you've been giving them political jollies?

How do you feel furthering ObamaRegime's "election goals" via you joining them in their pegging of Romney?

Here, the ObamaRegime has been "high-fiving" each other for at least all thru April...they can't begin to remove the smiles from their faces...despite the economic bleakness all around them...

The GoP played right into their hands!

88 posted on 05/02/2012 1:17:49 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Absolutely! Judicial superracist, anti-republican, pro-choice. All that. And that dog thing. The carrier thing, not the eating thing. Can you believe that? Dreadful. I wouldn't be voting for that Romney guy. Vote for Tom whats-his-name. That's what I recommend. Teach those no-good GOPers a lesson!

89 posted on 05/02/2012 1:18:18 PM PDT by tnlibertarian (I <3 PEJSWDTDSOPC)
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To: Colofornian
Acting on principles requires serious consideration of the results of one’s action.

Yes. You seem to disagree, why?

are you speaking as a prophet here?

No I think the point is self-evident, not prophetic.

If you mean do I think the Obama regime remaining in power is a result of considerable harm? I think that, too, is self-evident. Further I think that result would be the maximum harmful result possible in this election.

Where I am disagreeing, with you too perhaps, is in granting the moral or principled high ground here. I think that is not self-evident when working to defeat the political opponent of the current regime.

thanks for your reply.

90 posted on 05/02/2012 1:18:48 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: HwyChile

Enjoy defending your leftist. There’s no chance I’ll join you, nor will I vote for his mangy hide.


91 posted on 05/02/2012 1:19:13 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Do you really think you are the majority opinion on this board or anywhere else? Do you really think most conservatives are not going to vote for the GOP candidate? You look like a fool on here with all your anti-Romney BS.
92 posted on 05/02/2012 1:20:29 PM PDT by HwyChile
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To: HwyChile

Do you really belong here? IBTZ.


93 posted on 05/02/2012 1:23:36 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: D-fendr
Along with the other Romney Republicans on this thread you have de facto stipulated to the fact that Mitt Romney is a pro-choice, anti-republican, democrat.

So, once again your post amounts to:

“Being unprincipled is principled and being principled is unprincipled.”

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

-- Isaiah 5:20


94 posted on 05/02/2012 1:23:48 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Obama/Romney math: 0+0=0)
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To: Colofornian; D-fendr

When you cut through all your nonsense the message is: Obama (may have) preferred to run against Romney more than any other candidate.

That means we should therefore cut out the middleman and directly work for Obama’s re-election?

Strange logic you have there.

One of two people will be in the White House next year. I am voting for the one who isn’t Obama.

Why is that so hard to understand?


95 posted on 05/02/2012 1:24:41 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
I want that cocky smirk off Obama's face.


How's this???


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96 posted on 05/02/2012 1:24:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: HwyChile
Do you really think you are the majority

Do you really think I give a rat's hairy ass whether I am "the majority"??? Do you really think I give a rat's hairy ass what most "conservatives" are going to vote for? Do you really think I give a rat's hairy ass what a meaningless troll like you thinks of me personally?

Seriously ... You grossly overestimate your own importance. Perhaps you drank too much self-esteem kool-aid in kindergarten.

97 posted on 05/02/2012 1:24:58 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Colofornian
I don't know why you disagree with this statement:

"There is not even a scintilla of reasonable judgement that actions that support the regime’s election goals will do anything but further the regime’s power."

Why do you disagree with this? You think there is a scintilla of reasonable judgement that Tom here will defeat Obama?

To answer your other questions: I supported Newt and will vote for him next Tuesday. I agree with Mark Levine and others that one works to elect one's candidate in the primary and, if you don't win, you support your party in the general.

My candidate lost. I wish there had been a better field. I wish the notRomney vote had united behind one candidate and the others had dropped out and supported him.

Thomas Sowell, early on in the process identified this as what needed to happen in order to beat Romney in actual elections. It didn't happen. Nothing changed, so we lost this opportunity.

You seem to blame the monolithic party for this. Might as well blame "the voters." I think that's a scapegoat or at the least naive. We lost in the arena of politics, hopefully we learn from this. At any rate, the lessons learned do not include voting for Tom Hoefling or Virgil Goode or some other internet fantasy.

It's just not gonna do anything but help the regime stay in power. Not gonna do that.

98 posted on 05/02/2012 1:28:53 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: fireforeffect
So the choice is a partial conservative (fiscal) and a full blown classical Marxist.

Partial conservative? Surely you jest. Romney is a liberal. And a liar. And a politician with a track-record of attacking conservative ideals and working to destroy conservative candidates and promote liberal ones.

If you think that is somehow superior to weak, ineffective Obama, you're delusional. You're casting a vote for your own disenfranchisement.
99 posted on 05/02/2012 1:30:05 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: HwyChile

The Rinos are the ones who pushed Romney over the mountain to beat conservatives. If Obama wins, it will be the fault of the liberal republicans who shoved a socialist onto the Party.

Conservatives were clear with the GOP that they did not want him and that he was absolutely unacceptable. Most of all, the GOP had no doubt conservatives reject Romneycare/obamacare and they did it anyway.

I think they want Obama to win. Get used to it. They are a one party mob in DC. They don’t care who wins the Presidency as long it is not a conservative who will derail their “progress.”


100 posted on 05/02/2012 1:30:15 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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