Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
Correct! It is from the FR cult classic "housewife/modmin admin" thread
btw, did you ever get your samwich from the housewife admin?
“Really? Both houses of Congress and the entire population of the country will just suddenly fall into comas and be silent?”
Yeah, really. Just like the coma they’ve been in while O’Bunghole got Obamacare, an increased debt ceiling, unbridled mid-East meddling (including financial support for the Muslim Brotherhood), Fast and Furious, etc., etc., etc. A symbolic write-in vote will “weaken” that agenda like a fart in a hurricane.
It will just take all that much longer to root out socialism if Obama is re-elected. Keep electing more and more hard core conservatives to counter and finally turn back the garbage!
That's Magic Fingers' way of calling reaganaut's decision to reject Romney an egotistical bit of vanity. Interestingly, MF is the one calling it what he/she MUST.
Jim, you and I are somewhat fortunate in the fact that we live in a state where our vote in the presidential race is meaningless - Obama will probably win CA by 20 points. So we can choose not to vote for Romney without it having any actual effect on the outcome. For those who are in swing states where their vote actually can have an impact, I hope they will hold their nose and vote against Obama.
It’s the responsibility of individual voters to first verify the validity of write-in votes with their own County recorder.
I’d never risk my ballot’s destruction by a faulty write-in vote.
Good, except BEWARE of the write-in vote danger of trashing your whole ballot. Vote instead for an official other-party candidate on the ballot. See other posts on this thread about that!
Yep, nobody offered me any of Mitsters money to throw this down the gut..he doesn't have enough money to buy the soul of every conservative out there.
We were looking for some Savory Barracuda and Green TEA and we got Imitation Crab, and Blue Koolaid. The rules of the free market still apply...the customer is walking.
Dittos to that!!!!
It doesn’t matter who we get in the election, if we don’t stop the brainwashing of our children. The greatest of our past is absolutely being lost.
Our kids go to a classical Christian school so they are getting some of that Western Civilization, but even there it is not conservative enough. One of the main history teachers is a “compassionate” liberal (pro life, Christian, but believes that the answer to all social problems should be through government. She believes in private business, etc - not a complete socialist but defintely thinks throwing money at any social or poverty problem via government programs is the answer). She has a big influence there because she teaches several important history and rhetoric classes, and I am dismayed when I see how often the kids choose to solve a social problem for their junior rhetoric project with some kind of government program. They aren’t being taught to think through what it means to be a conservative Biblical Christian and how to apply that to public policy problem solving. I think teachers like this are not uncommon even in the best Christian or secular private schools, becuase what they are being taught at the instotution where they got their Masters or Doctorate was this same progressive thinking!
So it is hard to find this kind of teaching even in private schools! (I’m sending a letter to our headmaster again about this ) If I had money and funding I’d start a similar school to the one my kids go to, but MUCH more conservative in the worldview and doctrine taught.
How about this for starters: http://constitution.hillsdale.edu/
Hillsdale College constitution 101
I believe Christian colleges should get permission to adapt this for a dual credit U.S. Government high school/college credit course. There are tons of high school kids now , whether homeschooled, public or private school, who are not going the traditional route to graduation and all kinds of flexibility is opening up on what they do to get their senior year’s credits. To me this is just a no-brainer to have this available a very low cost - word would get out via internet, facebook, etc. It could be seen as a cool “alternative” to the “establishment” brainwashing available. They could get all the basics of how U.S. governemtn works, but also get all the wonderful foundation of the worldviews, natural law, Biblical law, etc that fed into Constitutional thought.
Sorry so long but this is one of my hot-button issues with three teenagers. I’m going to make them go through the Hillsdale College course with my husband and me as a family this summer. Ha. I can hear the groans already so wish me luck :-)
But our bigger problem, in my mind, is what is going on in the educational system. American Children are being taught a revised, biased, false story about western civilization and America. They are leaving schools with no knowledge of what America is, and how we evolved to become the worlds first and most successful democratic Republic. And so, they become ready tinder for minds like Obamas.
Just a thought....
What is needed is an integrated network of private schools that will again teach from the perspective that Western Civilization was (and is) superior, and teach with a true account of the facts of history (rather than the rewritten history of the post-1960s).
Kind of like I remember receiving in public (yes, public!) schools in the 1950s and early 1960s before the lefties took it over.
“Funny how some are so concerned about the large number of ‘symbolic protest votes’.”
I am not “concerned” about symbolic protest votes. I was responding to a comment that such a vote would somehow (unexplained) weaken the liberal agenda. However, I’m happy to have given you an opportunity to hawk your seething Romney rage for the 10,000th time.
What you said.
Of all the posts, I like your simplicity the best.
What Jim has said probably changes little on the passion of the discourse on FR, but makes it a little more wide open for the fearful to tout their great courage in voting for Romney to “save us all from Obama”.
I hope I can live up to your post, and doubt that I will very consistently, but you are absolutely right.
Because Romney is a self-professed Progressive right along with the Black Progressive Caucas, including Maxine Waters, Barbara Lee, and also Hillary Clinton & Brac Obama, I have to go with the conscience I have, vote someone else and trust God for the rest.
There are those who are so afraid they just can’t care about that, so why would God want to intervene?
See, already I can’t keep an opinon to myself! :)
(my favorite was the Beer and Pretzel Party...or something like that)
Term limits seem like a stupid idea to me. It just takes power away from the voters. It would probably lead to a younger Congress, which would almost certainly make it more liberal. It would remove in equal proportion liberal and conservative legislators, so there’s no automatic net loss to be suffered by one side. Plus there’s every likelihood any location will elect a new person of the same political stripe.
Not to mention, it’s the fear of being voted out and the incentive of being reelected that helps hold politicians’ feet to the fire. Isn’t the line about Obama that he would be more dangerous in his second term when he didn’t have to worry about being reelected? Of course. Term limits give politicians more incentive to be destructive and dangerous.
So why spend the effort pushing for term limits when there are no clear gains to be made and a removal of a good incentive in the current system? We already have the power to vote out whoever we want on election day and have shown that we can and will do it.
I donate via a debit card because, like you, it is the only plastic I use. Has not been a problem. IMHO, give it a shot and see what happens.
If you don't want to do that, ask your bank for their suggestions.
Has a candidate who suspended his campaign ever gone on to win a primary? Not asking rhetorically, I don't know the answer.
Therefore, I will take my ball and go home.
Our faction has OUTFITS!!!! Woot! Woot!
My vote, nor any other free abiding citizens vote is never a wasted vote....An 'unprincipled vote' is the only wasted vote.....you're helping 'to preserve the status quo' you probably despise.
Voting for what you believe is never a wasted vote....I believe 'Romney and Obama are socialists' and bad for our country,.... therefore I will vote conservative... of which neither are.
Our faction has OUTFITS!!!! Woot! Woot!
My vote in the Primary will be a vote in support of the US Constitution and against Socialism, Marxism, Fascism, State-ism, Big Government, or a New World Order.
At this point, there is about to be only one way left to do that on the Republican Primary ticket, for those of us that have not had their primary yet.
The fact that we have allowed Ron Paul be the Republican Party’s only remaining outspoken supporter of the Constitution speaks volumes about what we are up against.
Obama has swung the nation’s pendulum so far away from the Constitution that nothing short of an equal or greater swing back towards it has any hope of preserving our Republic.
To those of you that think swinging it back just a little with Romney is good enough, well, good luck with that...
How do you think we got here in the first place?
“That’s Magic Fingers’ way of calling reaganaut’s decision to reject Romney an egotistical bit of vanity.”
No, that’s Magic Fingers’ way of responding to the blubber hereon by some who have had a special valve installed so they can blow smoke up their own a$$es, telling all that God smiles especially on them because they’re not going to vote for Romney...and that He frowns on anyone who thinks otherwise. If either of you are not one of those goofballs, sorry - it wasn’t intended for you. If you are, it was.
I still have my hazmat suit I used when voting for Bush 41 in 1992 and for Dole in 1996 and McCain in 2008.
Romney has a solidly documented record of being FOR all the things we conservatives are against -- state-run health care, abortion, activist judges, global warming regulation, and the gay agenda. Realville: you're willing to vote FOR that, to make that deal with the devil, in order to avoid Obama. In Realville, a deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition.
I've read what's been given. I just believe that "reason" must be based in fact or reality. Simply because one says something or "believes" something to be true, doesn't mean it is true. There's only one poster I have not responded to with sound argument. And his post is very long and very involved. I don't have the mental energy at this time to respond to it, but I "heard" the reasons.
Also, I'm not questioning "why Paul isn't supported"; I'm asking why Romney and not Paul. No one has given me a solid answer in response to that question.
as many Paul supporters youre in denial.
I'm a Palin supporter. Questioning is not the same as denying.
Further hes been protecting Romneys flank from day one.
Can you give me specific actions or even words that Ron Paul has made (at least three examples) that would make this a valid statement?
Rome wasn't built in a day. Neither was the colossus that is now federal government. We need to consistently chip it away and put in its place a cultural, societal, and economic framework for which our founders in their wisdom and vast knowledge laid the groundwork.
Keep pushing at the local level and in the federal legislature.
Onward & upward.
You never said it was posted here. More delays from you. You made the claim, back it up or I will just take it to mean that you have no support for your bogus claim that not voting for Romney will VOID my entire ballot.
Other races do not depend upon who I vote for for POTUS.
How? Will he be thrown out by the courts? He hasn't been so far. Will he be impeached and convicted in the senate?
Republicans couldn't accomplish that with Clinton and they had DNA proof of perjury.
If Obama wins odds are he serves another four full years.
Don't try to minimize it with pie in the sky hopes.
This speaks , no SHOUTS, your true honorable character.
We are so lucky you are there.
How he slip in there??
You can SEE I was on 776!
In some states you have to be careful about write in voting.
I was told by a poll worker ( the one handing out ballots ) that if you wrote-in anyone that didn't register in advance as a write-in candidate, it was a spoiled ballot and wouldn't be counted.
You'd be wise to check beforehand; I can state that the ballot won't be voided in Maine: "If a voter writes in a write-in space the name of a person who has not filed a declaration of write-in candidacy as provided by section 722-A , the vote for that office may not be counted except in accordance with section 737-A, subsection 2-A." - http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/21-a/title21-Asec696.html
I would love nothing more than for that to happen. Even though it would probably damage the nominee's chances and lead to a Goldwater scale debacle it would be the greatest show on Earth.
But I wouldn't bet on it.
Go forth, my child, and sin no more.
To me, the Presidential Race comes down to the relative light reflectivity of your jailer / executioner.
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Perfect choice of words.
I know I said I order extra large pizzas in case someone shows up late for dinner but I didn't mean I was inviting the public. Furthermore if guests don't like what I order that's too bad.
The primary is my one and only chance to send him a REAL message!
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You aren’t sending him ANY message. He doesn’t care how many votes he gets in the Primary, he knows weaklings will vote for him in the general under the misguided notion that he is better than Obama.
Because Ron Paul is a freakin' kook-wad and Romney at least pretends to be a sane human being.
Granted, Romney is a gun-grabbing socialist douchebag but he doesn't have aliens and troofers among his supporters.
It's a matter of degree.
And Ron Paul is many degrees out-of-level.
Many swallowed the Santorum bait...and it worked. But as projected until he hit the wall in PA....but then he knew he would and so did the GOP.
Paul just isn't in this to win...and his desires are to be heard ...and speaking his mind.
If it were to go to converntion Paul will release his delegates to Romney....he's there to protect him.
There seems to be a lot of confusion on this.
I check (on the web) numerous county clerks offices from many states.
It appears that the only thing you need to be concerned about is if you mark a straight party ticket and then write in the name. Once, you write in a name, the straight party ticket becomes invalid. So, just mark every selection individually and there should be no problem.
Very well said.
Bottom line is, when you go into the voting booth in November you have 2 choices. Cast a vote for the GOP nominee or for Obama. There is no other outcome possible. A vote for anyone other than the GOP nominee is a vote for Obama. Decide who you intend to help elect, and decide wisely.
Yep so much for the ‘truce’, eh?
Sure, but if Romney wins, we are guaranteed to have a left winger in the White House for at least 8 more years.
I’m voting for an actual candidate, just not Obama OR Romney.
Virgil Goode will be on our ballot.
Amen! Thank you very much, Cringing Negativism Network!!