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9/11 defendants ignore judge at Guantanamo hearing
AP via Yahoo! ^ | 5/5/12 | BEN FOX

Posted on 05/05/2012 8:01:58 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows

GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba (AP) — They knelt in prayer, ignored the judge and wouldn't listen to Arabic translations as they confronted nearly 3,000 counts of murder. The self-proclaimed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks and four co-defendants defiantly disrupted an arraignment that dragged into Saturday night in the opening act of the long-stalled effort to prosecute them in a military court.

It wasn't until more than seven hours into the hearing that prosecutors at the U.S. military base in Cuba began reading the charges against the men, including 2,976 counts of murder and terrorism in the 2001 attacks that sent hijacked jetliners into New York's World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the admitted 9/11 architect, and the four men accused of aiding the 9/11 conspiracy put off their pleas until a later date. Lawyers were still discussing trial dates Saturday night; another hearing was set for June 12.

Earlier, Mohammed cast off his earphones providing Arabic translations of the proceeding and refused to answer Army Col. James Pohl's questions or acknowledge he understood them. All five men refused to participate in the hearing; two passed around a copy of The Economist magazine and leafed through the articles.

Walid bin Attash was confined to a restraint chair when he came into court, released only after he promised to behave

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Cheryl Bormann, a civilian attorney for bin Attash, appeared in a conservative Islamic outfit that left only her face uncovered and she asked the court to order other women present to wear "appropriate" clothing so that defendants do not have to avert their eyes "for fear of committing a sin under their faith."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


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Strongly suggest reading the whole article. This is a travesty.
1 posted on 05/05/2012 8:02:03 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows
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To: Slings and Arrows

Sounds like the defense attorney is being indoctrinated.


2 posted on 05/05/2012 8:03:41 PM PDT by wastedyears (There can be only one.)
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To: wastedyears

Sounds to me like she’s trying to turn the trial into a circus with herself as the ringmaster. I don’t know if she’s a Muslim or if she has any radical affiliations.


3 posted on 05/05/2012 8:08:19 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
"Cheryl Bormann, a civilian attorney for bin Attash, appeared in a conservative Islamic outfit that left only her face uncovered and she asked the court to order other women present to wear "appropriate" clothing so that defendants do not have to avert their eyes "for fear of committing a sin under their faith."

Brought to you by the same folks who can't abide having the 10 Commandments displayed within a five mile radius of a courthouse....

4 posted on 05/05/2012 8:09:15 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

All cultures are equal...but some cultures are more equal than others.


5 posted on 05/05/2012 8:12:45 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Can a judge carry on a trial, if the dependent is uncooperative? If thé défendent refuses to answer questions and find them guilty or innocent, based on the evidence?

If so, put them in a sound-proof box, with the trial playing through speakers and carry on. Let them sit in the box incapable of interrupting the trial.


6 posted on 05/05/2012 8:14:48 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

How about we put a bullet in their thick skulls and be done with it.....

Only a handful of people would actually care and ....well just screw them...


7 posted on 05/05/2012 8:17:56 PM PDT by Popman (America is squandering its wealth on riotous living, war, and welfare.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Bormann doesn't look like a Muslim in this pic.

The learned counsel, death penalty defense experience, defense attorneys, from left: David Nevin for Khalid Sheik Mohammed; Cheryl Borman for Walid bin Attash; James Harrington for Ramzi bin al Shibh; James G. Connell III for Ammar al Baluchi, also called Ali Abd al Aziz Ali; Cmdr. Walter Ruiz for Mustafa al Hawsawi. Also assigned are Marine Corps Maj. Derek Poteet and Army Capt. Jason D. Wright for Mohammed; Marine Corps Maj. William T. Hennessey and Air Force Capt. Michael Schwartz for Bin Attash; Navy Lt. Cmdr. Kevin Bogucki for Bin al Shibh and Air Force Lt. Col. Sterling Thomas for Baluchi.


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2008/02/27/v-fullstory/436366/about-the-911-war-crimes-trial.html#storylink=cpy

8 posted on 05/05/2012 8:17:59 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Waleed bin Attash aka Tawfiq Attash aka Khallad...

He is Yemeni


9 posted on 05/05/2012 8:18:44 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Popman

Should’ve used the Israeli method: A Hellfire Howdy.


10 posted on 05/05/2012 8:19:51 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Sounds like Chicago 7 and Bill Ayers tactics- which worked.


11 posted on 05/05/2012 8:20:27 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: jazusamo

Borman is the one who wore the hijab and insisted the other women should do the same.


12 posted on 05/05/2012 8:21:27 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold R's to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: jazusamo

OK, probably not. I’m still going with the circus hypothesis, though.


13 posted on 05/05/2012 8:21:51 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Bump


14 posted on 05/05/2012 8:22:26 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: DBrow

Bingo.


15 posted on 05/05/2012 8:23:10 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Jonty30
>”put them in a sound-proof box, with the trial playing through speakers and carry on. Let them sit in the box incapable of interrupting the trial”<

You need to start a new Thread titled “If FReepers Ran the World”.

Make it more interesting, put a Pig in the box with them.

16 posted on 05/05/2012 8:23:14 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: Jonty30

“Can a judge carry on a trial, if the dependent is uncooperative?”

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Why not?

If lack of cooperation was a legitimate method to derail one’s trial, every defendant would deploy that ruse.

Carry on.

Convict.

Execute.

Promptly.


17 posted on 05/05/2012 8:23:33 PM PDT by EyeGuy (Non-Holder person.)
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To: Popman

A bullet is too good for them. Hang them as common criminals and feed them to pigs. These guys are no better than the nazis we hanged. Why in the world is this taking forever and they’ll probably (at best) be given a nice needle way out.

So sick of this nonsense.


18 posted on 05/05/2012 8:24:40 PM PDT by Monty22002
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To: hocndoc
Yep, that's why I looked up a pic. She's a phony wearing that garb at a trial and insisting all women should wear it.
19 posted on 05/05/2012 8:24:51 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Agreed, you’re dead on the money with the circus hypothesis.


20 posted on 05/05/2012 8:26:26 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Kickass Conservative
Make it more interesting, put a Pig in the box with them.

That is disgusting! What do you have against pigs?

21 posted on 05/05/2012 8:26:56 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Think it is total BS that a US citizen should give ANY consideration to these devils. What about the sin of killing 3000 people?


22 posted on 05/05/2012 8:28:33 PM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: Joe 6-pack
Brought to you by the same folks who can't abide having the 10 Commandments displayed within a five mile radius of a courthouse....

And who don't see anything wrong with forcing Catholic doctors and nurses to kill babies.

23 posted on 05/05/2012 8:28:48 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Slings and Arrows

All it will take is a tiny misstep in FISA wiretaps or similar evidence mistakes and they walk.


24 posted on 05/05/2012 8:28:49 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: jazusamo

The comparison that pops to mind is the first O. J. trial. I hope this judge has a bigger set of stones than Lance Ito.


25 posted on 05/05/2012 8:31:01 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows; potlatch; PhilDragoo; bitt

Whatever happened to a quick contempt of court ruling? If they refuse to participate in their trial, they have waived their right to self-defense.

Our providing a stage for their circus only enhances their influence where we need it the least.


26 posted on 05/05/2012 8:31:18 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Slings and Arrows

I’d like to see a pic of the lawyerette in her dhimmi garb.


27 posted on 05/05/2012 8:32:48 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Slings and Arrows
I love Pigs, but I also love Bacon.

How about using Wild Boars with big sharp Tusks?

One man's Boar is another man's Pig.

28 posted on 05/05/2012 8:33:05 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: fremont_steve

And Cheryl Bormann is concerned about them sinning by looking at the prosecuting attorneys in military uniforms. Incredible that she wants them to cover their head for these murderers.


29 posted on 05/05/2012 8:35:15 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: Popman

“Only a handful of people would actually care...”

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A fundamental problem with our society today, is that we’ve allowed, in the short space of about 50 years, a relative handful of people to destroy our cherished institutions, basic morality, and foundational ability to render judgments.

A list of examples would take all night, and still be imcomplete.


30 posted on 05/05/2012 8:36:10 PM PDT by EyeGuy (Non-Holder person.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Amen, this judge being a JAG officer has to have more stones than Lance Ito, he was pathetic.

That said, it looks like this will be a long trial and a frustrating one with these attorneys not only representing these terrorists but their religion.

31 posted on 05/05/2012 8:38:27 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Kickass Conservative
How about using Wild Boars with big sharp Tusks?

One invasive species versus another...yeah, that'll work.

32 posted on 05/05/2012 8:40:55 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

[ Strongly suggest reading the whole article. This is a travesty. ]

Surely you meant Carnival.. thats OK I knew what your meant..


33 posted on 05/05/2012 8:43:51 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: hosepipe

At Carnival, when people get ****ed they enjoy it.


34 posted on 05/05/2012 8:44:47 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Yardstick
I looked for a pic of her in the dhimmi garb but only found an artists drawing, it gives the gist of her.


35 posted on 05/05/2012 8:45:19 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

I can understand the defense attorneys defending their clients - that’s their ethical duty. But what’s going on here is the difference between defending an accused Nazi and defending Nazism.


36 posted on 05/05/2012 8:48:52 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Call me stupid, but it seems to me that if the scum defendants are provided earphone translators, but refuse to use them, they continue to be represented by their lawyers who understand English; thus they are properly represented by a person who understands the charges and the testimonies.

Proceed with the trial, and if necessary take out the trash that is interfering, as they are fully represented by English speaking lawyers. If they decide to quietly stay, or watch proceedings on a remote TV, fine!

(Somehow, I feel that the name Erik Holder will surface in the news within a few days.)


37 posted on 05/05/2012 8:49:40 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Noob1999

I’d put ‘em in isolation booths with translation feeds. If nothing else, it might help with the smell.


38 posted on 05/05/2012 8:51:11 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

lol....


39 posted on 05/05/2012 8:55:07 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Well said, that’s exactly what they’re doing.


40 posted on 05/05/2012 8:55:19 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I can understand the defense attorneys defending their clients -
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Yes....
Years ago some one took a potshot of some Mid Eastern leader and the guards got him almost immediately.
Somehow or other, we got involved and an announcement was made
(to the effect)
“Ali Ben Ali, accused attempted assassin of the Premier, will be given a fair trial on 55SEP55 at 0900.”
All villagers and townspeople will assemble in the Town Square at 1100 for the 1200 Execution by hanging”.

THAT is the kind of justice these animals (in Gitmo etc) understand.


41 posted on 05/05/2012 8:57:07 PM PDT by xrmusn (#6/98# Let's start from scratch by voting ALL incumbents out.)
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To: EyeGuy

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=CA#/watch?v=RrWSx46NlI4

This judge did a great job in putting a disruptive defendent in his place.


42 posted on 05/05/2012 9:09:36 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Biggest mistake they made back when Mohammed made that statement about pleading guilty was not saying, “okay, sign here”.


43 posted on 05/05/2012 9:20:04 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Slings and Arrows

What in the wide, wide world of sports.............????


44 posted on 05/05/2012 9:20:25 PM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: hocndoc
I say let them loose in the Nevada desert, then sight in some drones. Or hurl them from a skyscrapper.

THese f*ing monsters have already confessed.

45 posted on 05/05/2012 9:40:04 PM PDT by CT
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To: Slings and Arrows

Who cares?

Convict them, then take them to 40,000 feet without parachutes and shove ‘em out. If they survive the fall they can go free.

Seems fair to me.


46 posted on 05/05/2012 9:51:33 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Slings and Arrows
Mohammed cast off his earphones providing Arabic translations of the proceeding and refused to answer Army Col. James Pohl's questions or acknowledge he understood them. All five men refused to participate in the hearing; two passed around a copy of The Economist magazine and leafed through the articles.

So they want to be petty and show their contempt for us? Okay.

Let me get my Koran out.

47 posted on 05/06/2012 12:44:41 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: ntnychik; Slings and Arrows; jazusamo; potlatch; dixiechick2000

Give 'em the same trial the gutsy Obama bin Laden gave his cuz Osama bin Laden.

We aren't spending a decade in Iraq and Afghanistan bleeding noble lives and fortune we don't have in order to retrograde to the seventh century Manson cult.

Put Hello Kitty Hijab in the pokey for contempt.

Bring the rest to an Iowa hog confinement.

The hogs don't need translators.

Further this deponent sayeth not.


48 posted on 05/06/2012 1:42:17 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: denydenydeny

It’s in the catbox.


49 posted on 05/06/2012 1:55:37 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows; mickie
I thought a military tribunal was supposed to obviate all this maneuvering to use the court as a propaganda platform and to use the judge as a pinata.

This trial has begun on an ominous note. Already the details of the opening day are horrific. The judge better get in control immediately. The defense attorneys have wasted no time pecking away at his authority.

Leni

50 posted on 05/06/2012 3:03:21 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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