Skip to comments.Ron Paul Could Still Win Enough Delegates To Deny Mitt Romney The Republican Nomination
Posted on 05/07/2012 7:45:57 AM PDT by IbJensen
Despite what you may have heard from the mainstream media, Mitt Romney does not have the Republican nomination locked up. In fact, he is rapidly losing delegates that almost everyone assumed that he already had in the bag.
To understand why this is happening, you have to understand the delegate selection process. Each state has different rules for selecting delegates to the Republican national convention, and in many states the "voting" done by the public does not determine the allocation of delegates to particular candidates at all. And the truth is that delegates are the only thing that really matters in this race.
In state after state, the Ron Paul campaign is focusing on the delegate selection process with laser-like precision, and it is paying off big time. At this point, there is still a legitimate chance that Ron Paul will be able to win enough delegates to deny Mitt Romney the nomination on the first ballot at the Republican national convention in Tampa. If Romney does not have the 1,144 delegates that he needs on the first ballot, then it becomes a brokered convention and anything becomes possible at that point.
Sadly, most Americans have no idea how this process really works.
For example, originally we were all told that Mitt Romney won Iowa.
Then, later on we were told that a mistake was made and that Rick Santorum actually won Iowa.
Well, it turns out that Ron Paul actually won 20 out of the 28 delegates in Iowa. That is because the process of actually selecting the delegates occurred long after the voting by the public was over.
So what happens if the Ron Paul campaign is able to produce similar results in state after state?
The Ron Paul campaign is very organized, very motivated and they understand the rules of the game. As a recent Politico article detailed, there are huge amounts of unbound delegates out there that are still up for grabs....
There are roughly 30 states and territories where delegates arent bound to a particular candidate. The majority of the other states, according to a number of party officials, call for delegates to be bound for a first round of balloting but not the ensuing rounds.
The dirty little secret is: At the end of the day, these guys and gals can vote any way they want, said a Republican who has attended national conventions for decades. Each state has different (laws) on pledged delegates. In many states, the "official" results of voting done by the public mean next to nothing. The talking heads on television often tell us how many delegates are "projected" to go to a particular candidate, but as we have seen in Iowa and in so many other states, those "projections" are basically meaningless.
A recent Salon article discussed how the delegate selection process really works and how the Ron Paul campaign is using these rules to shake up the game....
In many caucus states, the official results that most people saw this winter were from nonbinding straw polls conducted in conjunction with precinct-level caucuses. But when it comes to choosing national convention delegates, the real action is at district caucuses and state conventions. In the past, this distinction hasnt mattered much, but for the Paul forces who lack the numbers to win statewide primaries but have the devotion to pack any room, anywhere, at any time it has offered an inviting loophole. When turnout is small and no one is looking, the Paul folks can win, and thats whats been happening in a number of states.
To Paul die-hards, this will all culminate in a surprise for the ages in Tampa, with the political world suddenly realizing that Romney actually doesnt have the 1,144 delegates needed to win the nomination, thereby allowing Paul to extract major concessions or even steal the nomination for himself. So could Ron Paul really deny Mitt Romney the Republican nomination?
At this point, nobody really seems to know what the real delegate count is.
Websites such as The Real 2012 Delegate Count are more accurate than most sources in the mainstream media, but even that site has been underestimating the true number of Ron Paul delegates.
Right now, Mitt Romney is not anywhere close to having the number of delegates that he needs for the nomination and Ron Paul just keeps picking up more delegates with each passing week.
For example, a Washington Post article that was posted on Sunday reported that Ron Paul just achieved a stunning delegate victory in Nevada....
Despite former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romneys overwhelming victory in the Nevada caucuses, Texas Rep. Ron Paul has won a majority of the states delegates to the partys national convention later this year in Tampa, Florida.
Thanks to organized Paul supporters, who have been working to increase their candidates support at state conventions around the country, 22 of the 25 Nevada delegates up for grabs will be Paul supporters. (Another three are automatic delegates.) That was a state that Romney supposedly "won".
It looks like Romney has a real problem.
In state after state, Ron Paul is gobbling up delegates. The following are quotes from a recent Huffington Post article about what the Ron Paul campaign has been able to achieve in the past few weeks....
-"Sure enough, Paul has already won 20 out of the 24 delegates allocated in Minnesota, by winning a majority of the congressional district contests."
-"In Louisiana, Paulites "dominated" the congressional district caucuses this past Saturday, according to the New Orleans Times-Picayune. Paul's supporters carried four of the state's congressional districts, and are guaranteed at least 17 of 46 delegates in the Bayou State, with the potential to pick up more at the state convention on June 2."
-"The other state that Benton likely has his eye on is Colorado, where the Denver Post reported in mid-April that Paul supporters and Santorum backers combined forces to win a "stunning upset" at the state convention, guaranteeing that about half of the state's 33 delegates will be for Paul in August."
And look what just happened in Maine according to USA Today....
In votes leading to the close of the two-day Maine convention, Paul supporters were elected to 21 of the 24 delegate spots from Maine to the GOP national convention in Tampa, Fla.
So Ron Paul is definitely accumulating a huge pile of his own delegates, but even many so-called "pledged delegates" for Romney could end up playing a huge role for Ron Paul.
In some states, Ron Paul supporters have been getting elected into delegate slots that are supposed to go to Romney. This is highly unusual, and it could really shake things up at the national convention. As a Salon article recently explained there will be quite a few Ron Paul supporters that will actually be going to Tampa "disguised" as Romney delegates....
Besides the pledged delegates hes won so far and the extras hes collecting through caucuses and state conventions, Paul will also have some supporters disguised as Romney delegates.
To understand how this works, just consider his campaigns mischief in Massachusetts, where Romney won 72 percent of the primary vote and with it, a monopoly on the states pledged convention delegates. But to determine who would fill those pledged delegate slots, the state GOP held caucuses recently, and the Paul crowd came out in force, gobbling up 16 of the 19 available positions. In how many other states will this happen, or has it already happened?
But those delegates are required to vote for Romney, right?
Not so fast.
The Ron Paul campaign could actually ask those "disguised" Romney delegates to abstain during the first round of voting in Tampa. If Romney did not win on the first ballot, those delegates would then become unbound and would be able to support Ron Paul.
In fact, Ronald Reagan considered using this tactic against Gerald Ford in 1976. The following is from a 1976 article entitled "Reagan Forces May Steal Ford Votes"....
In secret strategy sessions, Reagan aides have toyed with the idea of asking delegates to abstain as long as their state laws require them to honor the primary verdicts.
This would prevent the President from riding up an early-ballot victory. Then, in subsequent ballots, they could legally switch to Reagan.
Delegates have abstained from voting before. Back in 2008, at least 14 delegates abstained from voting at the Republican national convention.
So what would happen if the Ron Paul campaign was able to get 100 or 150 "Romney delegates" to abstain from voting during the first ballot in Tampa?
That is a very intriguing question.
And remember, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich also have significant numbers of delegates pledged to each of them.
So Ron Paul does not need to accumulate 1,144 delegates himself to deny Mitt Romney the nomination on the first ballot. He just needs to keep Romney from getting to 1,144.
The race for the Republican nomination is not over.
You can find a state by state breakdown of delegate voting rules right here.
It is not too late to get involved.
If nobody gets to 1,144 on the first ballot in Tampa, it becomes a "brokered convention" and anyone can become the nominee - even someone that is not running right now.
So if you are not satisfied with Mitt Romney as the Republican nominee, don't lose hope yet.
The game is still being played.
It would be a challenge, but if his supporters get energized enough, it certainly is possible that Ron Paul could still win enough delegates to deny Mitt Romney the Republican nomination on the first ballot in Tampa.
And if that happens, anything is possible.
All is it takes is a highly dedicated, passionate minority to spawn a Revoluion in the hearts and minds of the majority. Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul!
This is what smoking too much weed does to your brain
Not for Paul, but for anything that throws the Convention wide open.
I have been wondering about this as I heard he got Maine and then maybe another state this morning
Marijuana DOES negatively impact brain functioning.
When it hits my state (KY) I’ll be going for Paul.
—Not for Paul, but for anything that throws the Convention wide open.—
We attended the TEA Party EXpress stop in Austin (TX) yesterday. It turned out to be a rally for Ron Paul. There were very few in attendance who didn’t wear a RP tee shirt, or who wasn’t carrying a RP sign.
Of course, since the TEA Party Express had both Ron and Rand Paul as speakers, nothing else could be expected.
I was very disappointed in the event, except for one or two speakers—Ted Cruz and Mr. Marcos (can’t think of his first name at the moment) .
I never saw Synchro.
I'm all for it.
Not for Paul, but for anything that throws the Convention wide open.
And a <Big><Bold> MegaDittos from nully!
This is coming from a Paul supporter. But watching the way the whinny little operatives of the Romney campaign tried to shut down the Maine convention with delay tactics, makes it impossible for me to vote for him if he becomes the nominee. We’re supposed to be the party of Red Meat, Guns and NASCAR. Romney lost Maine, accept it like a man or woman and buck up. If I hear point or order one more freaking time, well, it’ll be for the one millionth time in 3 days.
And while I think Paul is a loon and there is a better chance of snow in Hell ... I’ll take anything to smack down the GOP elite.
From how I understand it, he took majority in Alaska, Maine, Iowa, Minnesota, Nevada, Colorado, Massachusetts.
Good! I’d rather not have a devout, pure-bread 100% liberal, homosexual loving, Democrat on my ticket.
Romnesty should have run against Obambi in a democrat primary and stayed the hell away from the Republican party. I can’t believe that the RINOs dumped this POS onto our ticket. Another DOLE/MCLAME ticket.
Although I think Ron Paul is a nut, I hope he saves our ticket.
“When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.” Hunter S. Thompson
I love it. I would vote Paul in a heartbeat over Obama or his ‘R’ twin ORomna.
I say we all join forces and all vote for Newt Gingrich on the 15th!
I admire the guy for his consistency. I am alarmed at the size of government, loss of liberty and freedom.
Do you hear Romney talking about dramatically cutting the size of government? How bout auditing the not so federal reserve?
I will support whatever candidate makes it through the primary process, but we need another voice in this race.
Romney is already moving left.
I am not going on board with Paul, but I am happy that he is making it more likely that Romney won't get the nomination. Since Paul's line about legalizing plants got the biggest reaction from the crowd, I assume that this is a big drawing point for him among the youth. However, he also has support from serious Libertarians and survivalist types, among others. I actually think Santorum and Paul should team up, but they probably differ too much on certain issues.
The Occupiers who support him will be too stoned to show up to vote in the final election. Obama wins 95-5 per cent.
--While campaigning in Iowa on Wednesday, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul praised the Occupy Wall Street movement (--Weekly Standard)
THE CHOICE OF AN "OCCUPY" GENERATION
Hey, I hear you about Paul’s convictions, etc. The problem is that there are a lot of guys in all walks of life that completely agree with him and have the same convictions. And like him, none of them could hope to be an effective president.
That said, he would be better than Romney or Obama. ;-)
Romney has 856 Delegates and needs 288 more delegates to secure the nomination. Ron Paul could get 70% of all the remaining delegates and Romney would still win.
Is this possible? No
Is it delusional, bordering on insanity to even suggest that it is possible? Yes
I am no Romney fan, but facts are facts.
I would not react unfavorably to this tactic if it in fact denied the nomination to that POS Romney.
Even though I take issue with some of Pauls stands I would be able to “hold my nose” and vote for him in the general.
I also know that having him as the GOP candidate would throw the youth (college) support for Zero into Chaos. These guys are not necessarily a huge voting block but they ARE tireless supporters and a gigantic asset for the ground game.
I know we have these ABO people pissing around FR, but we are not at that point. Right now, IM all about Anyone But Romney. While Paul has flaws, they are NOT fatal like Romney’s.
Even if its not Paul in the end, we will still have an opportunity to deny it to the GOP-e, which is MUCH more than we have now. Who knows... maybe we can recruit Scott Walker to step up..
I don’t think it’s likely but I’ll stay at home before I’ll vote for Paul. The guy is a loon.
OhNOE, what if RP destroys the great warrior of the Right, Mythie? What will Ann (Fat-Girl) Coulter say, or what about Romney lover Sheppy and the other FOX tools. We Want ROMNEY NOW!
Time for another view of TheRobb7’s brilliant visual: post #19. I’m gonna have another ho-made cappucino this am to celebrate.
so what is his total and what is the total for Romney
I have a big problem with the paulee delegates being democrats in “blue republican” temporary clothing.
how about no.
Gingrich is completely craven.
And monkeys could still fly out of my butt.
Author of the article is a dumbass. Iowa’s delegate have yet to be “elected”.... the delegate slate has been nominated, and supposedly ratified at the state convention. The author is putting the cart before the horse - and the numbers referred to are delegates to be nominated to the convention. The Paulistinans have also packed the state central committee, as well as a good number of county delegations.
Bottom line: Iowa’s delegation to the national convention will not have any reflection on the outcome of the caucuses - and will be the end of Iowa as first in the nation - deservedly.
Dewhurst is...well...a dumbass. He's not a bright guy. Cruz, on the other hand, is awesome. A one-on-one debate between the two would result in a referee stepping in to save Dewhurst from being beaten senseless.
>>I say we all join forces and all vote for Newt Gingrich on the 15th<<
Huh? Newts not even in the race.
Conservatives and Tea Partiers ^will^ become highly energized with a brokered convention.
Besides, he's a real "looker"!
“You’d better WORK!”
<< I dont think its likely but Ill stay at home before Ill vote for Paul. The guy is a loon. >>
In polls after polls, when the American people are asked about their viewpoints, they come up closer to Ron Paul’s than to any other candidate. Ask yourself, aside from one or two foreign policy issues, what exactly is it that you disagree with him about?
Ron Paul is a medical doctor and a long-time Congressman, far from being a “loon,” as you so ignorantly refer to him. And by the way, name-calling says more about the people do it than the person to whom its intended.
We are doing all we can to support Mr. Cruz. We believe he’s the “real deal”.
I see excellent fodder for a comic book. I will not be voting for either of these evil twins. I am hoping and working for a viable alternative. I would vote for Santorum, Paul, or Gingrich as an alternative to the two anti-Catholic, Statist, pro-death, pro-big government, anti-family twins.
Ron Paul is a pigaterian in a pigaterian swamp. Atlas Shrugged because he didn’t want Ron Paul, either.
Ron Paul supporters are math-challenged. How is he going to win 70% of remaining delegates when he has won so few so far?
Rhetorical question of course.
IMPORTANT side note to be aware of:
DO Not underestimate Rick Sanotrum’s plan to affect this election from “back seat driving”....he did not release his delegates to Romney in their recent chit chat in Pittsburgh....he’s holding out with purpose of doing just that, and will be “rewarded handsomely” for where he will put these.
That said... I’ve been waiting for this Paul delegate issue to surface as for awhile now I had heard his people were positioning themselves as delegates, fake and otherwise. I saw this clearly, in my district, on the list of delegates listed as Paul supporters when I voted in the Primary. So I visited his sites and sure enough they have been and are fast on the move and ducking so as not to be found out.
It looks like the idea is not so much the delegate vote would go for Ron Paul as much as it would open the way for any to step up if they refrain the first round.
Also the Paulites are indeed very organized. If someone “reveals” the current strategy of the moment others are quick to get the word out to cease exposing this on line...some take it down...therefore much of what they are doing is communicated other than websites.
I’m not for Ron Paul but if he can shake up this mess we’re faced with I’m all for “The Shake”....who knows who might step up then?
I don't like him. I think his followers, and even most of his detractors, are either outright liars or outright kooks. I think he has committed borderline treason standing up on a podium next to the likes of Kucinich. I don't think he can beat the Obama smear machine...
That being said, if he gets the GOP nod I'll vote for him. I cannot say the same for a pro-abortion liberal like Willard.
Please Jehovah... I'm begging you with tears in my eyes... Send us someone else that we can vote FOR instead of this constant battle between lesser and greater evils.
If the choice is between a nut job that understands the constitution, or a proven socialist, well, there is no choice... a socialist will never get my vote, NEVER... and just to clarify, mcromney is a socialist
If the Paulites can successfully force a brokered convention, I am happy to join with them in battle.
Newt is no longer in the primary race but at a brokered convention the delegates can draft him or he could seek their votes.
Every state is denying Romney.
Massachusetts. Now Maine.
That said, Romney has no chance. Zero. Zed. Nada.