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Trayvon Martin killed by single gunshot fired from 'intermediate range,' autopsy shows
NBC News and msnbc.com ^
| May 16, 2012
Posted on 05/16/2012 4:49:58 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: dewawi
Thanks for your response. Hence, the inquiry. I think distance will be a make or break for this case. It will be a forensic case...
To: PapaBear3625
I read somewhere shortly after this all broke that the only shell casing found at the seen was still in the gun. This means the gun did not cycle, slide did not move enough to eject the fired case. Who held the slide, or was it just a bad round that killed Travon?
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posted on
05/16/2012 7:37:20 PM PDT
by
dsammons
To: VeniVidiVici
“I want to know how a 9mm, even out of a Keltec from just a few inches away, doesnt exit the body.”
There could be several reasons:
Great bullet design.
The bullet path is along the long axis of the body rather than straight front to back.
Great bullet design, etc.
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posted on
05/16/2012 7:38:56 PM PDT
by
bitterohiogunclinger
(Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
To: VeniVidiVici
I want to know how a 9mm, even out of a Keltec from just a few inches away, doesnt exit the body.a very nice expanding round, going through layered clothing, maybe hitting his sternum or rib and just expanding and dissipating energy as it's cutting through some blood vessels.
Or something similar to that.
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posted on
05/16/2012 7:52:19 PM PDT
by
Dick Vomer
(democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
To: goseminoles
............. think distance will be a make or break for this case..................Probably right!
Of course if the punk was pounding Zim’s head into the walkway, he would have been doing it straight arm, not huddled over Zim.
So that puts his torso above Zim by a foot or more, a bullet goes through Zims clothes, through punk hoodie and clothes, maybe even through a pack of “skittles” and takes punk out. Bullet didn't have the velocity to make it through punk's body, maybe because of so many impediments in the way.
Perhaps we should channel JFK to find out the trajectory of the magic bullet that took him down.
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posted on
05/16/2012 7:57:02 PM PDT
by
Noob1999
(Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
To: bitterohiogunclinger; Dick Vomer
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posted on
05/16/2012 9:01:24 PM PDT
by
VeniVidiVici
(The Democrat Ku Klux Klan is alive and well - Ogletree, Sharpton, Williams, Jackson)
To: VeniVidiVici
I want to know how a 9mm, even out of a Keltec from just a few inches away, doesnt exit the body.
Martin was fortified with Skittles.
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posted on
05/16/2012 9:10:21 PM PDT
by
Rastus
To: Mr Rogers
I’ve seen that said earlier here, but nothing with a link, and nothing I could find. Do you have a source on that?
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posted on
05/16/2012 9:20:54 PM PDT
by
FreedomPoster
(Islam delenda est)
To: FreedomPoster
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posted on
05/16/2012 9:27:18 PM PDT
by
Mr Rogers
(A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
To: Rastus
Martin was fortified with Skittles. LOL!
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posted on
05/16/2012 9:30:52 PM PDT
by
VeniVidiVici
(The Democrat Ku Klux Klan is alive and well - Ogletree, Sharpton, Williams, Jackson)
To: goseminoles; SaraJohnson; fso301
Lefties are already trying to spin “Intermediate range” as “at some significant distance such that Jorge could have broken off the engagement.”
http://www.firearmsid.com/A_distanceResults.htm
Intermediate Range Gunshot
An intermediate range gunshot usually will deposit a significant amount of particulate residue that is not easily seen with the eye but can be detected through a microscopic examination and through chemical testing. The results may read something like:
Exhibit 1 (shirt) was found to have a bullet entrance hole in the chest area. A deposit of gunshot residues were found around this hole that are consistent with those that would be deposited by an intermediate range gunshot.
An intermediate range gunshot, like that seen in the above image, can range from just beyond the 12-inch range out to 24 to 36 inches. This depends greatly upon the caliber, barrel length and powder type used in the ammunition.
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posted on
05/16/2012 9:31:20 PM PDT
by
FreedomPoster
(Islam delenda est)
To: Mr Rogers
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posted on
05/16/2012 9:42:07 PM PDT
by
FreedomPoster
(Islam delenda est)
To: bitterohiogunclinger; VeniVidiVici
>>The bullet path is along the long axis of the body rather than straight front to back.
Seems not-unlikely given Jorge laying back on the ground with Tray sitting on top of him, pummeling away. George pulls and fires, hits low in the torso on an upward path, bullet ends up traveling from the bottom to the top of the thorax. Lots of vital stuff in there.
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posted on
05/16/2012 9:47:21 PM PDT
by
FreedomPoster
(Islam delenda est)
To: aruanan
>> Someone not know how to spell “indeterminate”? <<
.
You are not very familiar with guns, are you!
There is no such thing as indeterminate when it comes to gunshots in close proximity.
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posted on
05/16/2012 9:48:29 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
To: VeniVidiVici
Back when ammo was cheap, I used to prune oak trees with a .357.
A 4” or 5” tree can be taken down with one well placed HP round.
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posted on
05/16/2012 9:52:42 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
To: VeniVidiVici
I want to know how a 9mm, even out of a Keltec from just a few inches away, doesnt exit the body. Hollow-point fragmenting round? with BIG wound channel?
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posted on
05/16/2012 10:47:44 PM PDT
by
imardmd1
(The only sane advice: Assume nothing!)
To: editor-surveyor
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posted on
05/16/2012 10:58:22 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
To: dsammons
I read somewhere shortly after this all broke that the only shell casing found at the seen was still in the gun. This means the gun did not cycle, slide did not move enough to eject the fired case. Who held the slide, or was it just a bad round that killed Travon? If the gun did not cycle (and I've heard conflicting reports about that), the most likely scenarios are (1) Trayvon was holding the slide and preventing it from cycling, (2) the gun was being held close to Zimmerman and the slide bumped against his body, (3) mechanical problem (case fracture, bad extractor).
I think 1 or 2 are more likely and fit the scenario.
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posted on
05/17/2012 4:01:23 AM PDT
by
PapaBear3625
(If I canÂ’t be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
To: editor-surveyor
You are not very familiar with guns, are you!
There is no such thing as indeterminate when it comes to gunshots in close proximity.
You were missing the point. The article said, "intermediate," which, by definition, is not "close proximity." I thought it more likely the original word was "indeterminate," meaning they weren't able to determine exactly how far away from the gun Trayvon was when he got nailed. That makes more sense in the context of trying to figure out what happened than the even less certain "intermediate range," unless, of course, "intermediate range" has a fixed meaning, say, "far enough away not to get powder burns but close enough for that particular caliber and round to effect the observed degree of damage."
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posted on
05/17/2012 4:11:23 AM PDT
by
aruanan
To: Rastus
Martin was fortified with Skittles.Well, according to Justice Brother Sharpton, Martin was fortified with skillets. A good skillet would stop just about any bullet, so Z-Man must have been using some of Specter's magic bullets.
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posted on
05/17/2012 4:27:26 AM PDT
by
Fresh Wind
('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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