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Posted on 05/20/2012 6:26:33 PM PDT by Syncro
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We have laws that allow the corporations to make “campaign contributions” not only to the campaign warchests of individual Senators who write the laws that affect us all, but to the NRSC which was founded in 1916 as the Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee. In practice, this functions as an additional guarantee that a Senator once elected, if he plays his cards right, is nearly impossible to unseat either in primary or general elections.
You have rocks in your head.
You’re going over the top, Syncro. This is a thread about Cruz, with early comments about Dewhurst. There are bound to be rebuttals.
Sarah Palin talked about what was/is right with our Nation, and Donna Campbell does the same for the State. Neither is adverse to pointing out what their opponents do wrong, but they focus on their qualifications and their principles.
As Levin says,
“Prudence is the highest virtue for it is judgment drawn on wisdom. The proposed change should be informed by the experience, knowledge, and traditions of society, tailored for a specific purpose, and accomplished through a constitutional construct that ensures thoughtful deliberation by the community. Change unconstrained by prudence produces unpredictable consequences, threatening ordered liberty with chaos and ultimately despotism, and placing at risk the very principles the Conservative holds dear.”
Now, I’ve kept my blogs about Dr. Campbell on the Texas page and my WingRight, because that’s the “community” that’s most interested.
However, I’ve done plenty of posting on the big board through the years ( a couple this year in favor of Dewhurst), as well as my share of FReeping - the 2003 “Van to Van de Putte chased the Dem Senators protesting Lt. Governor Dewhurst’s redistricting efforts), the Austin FReep(s) about the chicken D’s, the FR cruise in October, ‘01, the Swift Boat meeting and supportive FReep at the Russian Embassy in Sept., ‘04, and at least one more FR gathering at the Capitol in DC. Then, I attended my first Tea Party Feb. 27, 2009 at the Alamo and many more, since then.
No, I don't have a problem with direct election of United States Senators. Any attempt to repeal the 17th Amendment and give even more control over the Senate to the usual gang of corrupt plutocrats makes birtherism (or even paleo-"conservatism" look like a practical political program. Let's bear in mind here that YOU are the enthusiast for the election of Mr. Nearly $200 million to the US Senate. If there were no 17th Amendment, Lieutenant Governor Plutocrat would be Senator Plutocrat by simply dishing out enough in the way of bribes (which would be the new standard in "Campaigns"). State legislators, adequately greased, would be doing back-over flips.
Progressivism is NOT a four-letter word. Teddy Roosevelt was a Progressive of the right sort and Woodrow Wilson was a Progressive of the wrong sort. I have no problem with government maintaining truly sanitary water systems rather than having to combat periodic cholera epidemics. I have seen the result of impure water and cholera in the 18-50s era gravestones in the town cemetery in the town where I now live. We ain't going back.
OTOH, many Progressives thought that Eugenics was a really nifty idea as did Margaret Higgins Sanger, founding kiler at Planned Barrenhood (originally American Birth Control League). She wanted to eliminate what she called (to the delight of the elites of her time) human weeds. Read her pal Lothrop Stoddard's enthusiastic eugenics books. Or Madison Grant's work.
William Jennings Bryan had much to recommend him but was hardly infallible. Anything named LaFollette can be safely dismissed to this day. Progressives, like Republicans, are a mixed bag. Democrats used to be a mixed bag until McGovern and the communists seized permanent control in 1972. Al Smith was a great man. He drove Workman's Compensation (a Progressive idea) through the New York Legislature before WW I after the infamous Triangle Shirtwaist fire. My mom was for many years a seamstress and we were quite appreciative of Al Smith's work in the state next door.
I really don't give a crap that the state governments were denied representation of their legislators' choice in the Senate. Governments ought not to have a right to representation. The Founders were not infallible. Neither are the voters but it is the voters who fight the wars and pay the taxes. If that offends the plutocrats, tooooo bad!
Sorry but I really don't lament the passing of the ability of state legislators to receive massive bribes twice in every six years. The notion that popular election of senators somehow enables rich elites to control the Senate is what the logicians call the error of post hoc, propter hoc. Use Occam's Razor and the recent despicable primary campaign of Robamney funded by people who make Robamney's assets look like those of a lawn jockey to find the simple answer: rich elitists buy what they want, regardless of price. It is a lot harder for them to bribe millions of voters. In a popular primary or election, they are limited to carpetbombing the airwaves with lies to keep from the peasants what Percival Gotbucks Pecksniff XXIII wants for himself (as a sort of birthright). It is the sort of thing that leads his old chums down at the ye ancient polo club or at Skull and Bones reunions or whatever to accept that Percival has that "common touch" to fleece the suckers.
Of course, Mark Levin, the Great One, enthusiastically supports Cruz, but you knew that.
Of course, Mark Levin, the Great One, enthusiastically supports Cruz, but you knew that.
An endorsement by young half-Hispanic George P. Bush is hardly the same as having one’s reputation forever besmirched by association with Barbara Planned Barrenhood Bush. Young George P. may, for all we know, have conservative principles. Endorsing Ted Cruz will serve as evidence that he does.
I figured if I could just get BlackElk to keep writing his his long polemics, he would expose himself as Progressive he really is.
I do hope many will read your rant, so that all can see BlackElk’s general political philosophy is in opposition to conservative principles and the founders idea of the greatest possible freedom for the individual and recognition that an unchecked central government is a threat to the liberties of the people.
Your feelings of envy and bitterness toward those who have more money and have been successful in life shine through in your writings brightly.
That someone with such attitudes as yours could consider himself to be conservative is testament to the power of self-delusion. Or, perhaps you are just schizophrenic.
I figured if I could just get BlackElk to keep writing his his long polemics, he would expose himself as Progressive he really is.
I do hope many will read your rant, so that all can see BlackElk’s general political philosophy is in opposition to conservative principles and the founders idea of the greatest possible freedom for the individual and recognition that an unchecked central government is a threat to the liberties of the people.
Your feelings of envy and bitterness toward those who have more money and have been successful in life shine through in your writings brightly.
That someone with such attitudes as yours could consider himself to be conservative is testament to the power of self-delusion. Or, perhaps you are just schizophrenic.
yes, yes.
The second was my soon to be new Congressman (IL-16), Adam Kinzinger, who was elected by Tea Party enthusiasts in 2010 and promptly showed up in DC with his leadership kneepads, asking what he could do to sell out his constituents. The Demonrats were angry over Kinzinger taking out their Debbie Halvorsen in 2010 that they laid waste to his competitive district and turned it into a Chicagoland Demonrat district again.
Kinzinger got Eric Cantor and the "Young Guns PAC" (the same "young guns" who were pumping gobs of money into 80 year-old "young gun" Senator Richard Lugar's vain attempt at renomination) to pull about $600K of largely Texas construction contractor money into a primary against my Congressman Don Manzullo and to use Romney's despicable tactics. After all, why should Kinzinger be a whore if he doesn't get paid like one by the DC "GOP" Congressional Madames? Manzullo gave this district and the USA 20 years of excellent and quite conservative representation. He and we got surprised by the sudden vehemence of $600,000 worth of media lies by the usual elitist suspects. Manzullo's crime (to Cantor, Boehner, McCarthy) was an open letter to Boehner asking for a House resolution to cut off any attempts to further increase Obozo's election year allowance by raising the debt "ceiling" yet again. Kinzinger should make no long-term plans to reside in DC.
Well, we certainly cannot cut off Obozo's allowance since that might hurt the armies of special interest slime seeking to farm the taxpayers' great-grandchildren while kicking back about 3 cents on the dollar taken by graft. If being pissed off at the abuse of money by unprincipled whores posing as "Republicans" in this election year makes me a "Progressive" so be it. In that event, you would not know "Progressive" if it jumped up and bit you.
I am unquestionably bitter about the outright PURCHASE of the election process and of nominations by rich absolutely corrupt unprincipled political whores who feel somehow entitled to make the purchases of our public offices. They belong in prison not in office. I'd say a chain gang and not a country club. Twenty years of callous building.
Real conservatives do not fear the electorate voting for their Senators. Let your elitist stooge Dewhurst make THAT a campaign issue (taking the Senate vote away from the people) ASAP if its such a bright idea and it will be all over but his political wake. The general thrust of your nonsense is that our nation should be run by those who OWN it without interference from the peasants. Sorry, God loves the peasants and that's why He makes so many more of them than he makes zillionaires, spoiled and corrupt or otherwise.
Since you question my conservatism, I have served as a Libertarian Party State Officer before growing up in response to their cheerleading abortion, a Republican Town Chairman of a town of 50,000, a GOP Congressional nominee, state chairman of Young Americans for Freedom, Young Republicans, College Republicans, a pro bono attorney for NRA members and 1100 arrested pro-lifers (about 10 of whom were convicted at trial and another 2 or 3 by plea to save the trouble of going to court), a State Chairman for Reagan when Reagan bucked Gerald Brainless Ford, another useless GOP-E stooge. BTW, Ford was so poor he could not afford his birth name of Leslie King but he was a GOP-Establishment anus nonetheless. More available on request. AND, I never tried to take the franchise away from the voters. How about you, smart guy, what are your credentials, if any exist other than pimping Dewhurst the RINO which is hardly a conservative credential???
"Long polemics???" I have plenty worthwhile to write about which is more than you can say from the record so far. And don't flatter your pathetic political love objects by imagining that I envy them. What I have I have earned the old fashioned way---honestly not by buying political influence to rape, loot and pillage the modest taxpayers.
Your buddies have been practicing what we have every right to call "class warfare" for at least 40 years to the great detriment of American folks of ordinary means in this country. They have sent the jobs of ordinary folks to Third World hellholes to employ children at slave "wages" with no perks, cutting the economic throats of American working folks and they have broken up the businesses employing those Americans to sell off the means of production to show there is no going back. This is a joint venture of the Demonratic Left moneybags and the "GOP" elitist moneybags. They have farmed the modest folks to avoid taxes on elite income streams. They have built up a national debt with wild abandon while buying tax deals. They, of course, expect the wars to be fought at modest wages by the modest folks and not by Percival Pecksniff XXIII who cannot very well be actually expected to get HIS hands dirty fighting, well, wars as though he were a mere commoner. Then, if there are any complaints by the modest folks over the destruction of their country and their way of life, THAT is termed by the hypocritical moneyed sleazebags as "CLASS WARFARE."
There has previously been a sort of social contract in which the modest folks fight the wars, buy the products necessary to daily life, have stable jobs and rising incomes in good behavior, providing better lives to their kids than they enjoyed. The big shots upstairs had an obligation to fair dealing with their employees and to treat them reasonably. Get a copy of Leo XIII's Encyclical Rerum Novarum about 50 pages that explain how the world might ideally work. Also check out Pius XI's Quadrigesimo Anno (on the 25th anniversary of Rerum Novarum), John Paul II's Centissimo Anno (on the 100th anniversary of Rerum Novarum). You may recall that all three of those authors were heroic resisters of Marxism and thereby, allied to American thought. Each was a more profound conservative than you will ever imagine yourself to be. Try and win elections without the Catholic vote for conservatives. Reagan got them easily The elitist dimwits? Not so much.
How many Dewhurst enthusiasts here on FR??? 2? 3? Maybe 5? Hope he does no better on primary day. I don't see any groundswells for depriving people of their RIGHT to vote in US Senate elections, do you? Just try it and see what happens.
BTW, your state of Texas once had a Democrat who spent virtually no money on a primary with Lyndon Johnson and it was claimed that he lost to Landslide Lyndon in 1948, but sensible people are skeptical. His name was Coke Stevenson, former Speaker of the Texas House and former governor. Robert Caro, in his multi-volume biography of Lyndon Johnson (I believe it was in the volume titled Means of Ascent) did a superb job of describing the campaign of the noble Coke Stevenson. If Texas can do no better than elitist trash like Cornyn, Dewhurst and Hutchison, how sad for Texas!
Ted Cruz for US Senate. If he wins, Texas and America win. If he loses, so do Texas and America.
I do plenty of posting here on FR and what I have posted to you against your pathetic candidate will come as no surprise to any regular here. Contrary to leftist propaganda, being conservative does not automatically mean having one's lips on autosmooch for the naked butts of the rich and airheaded. That's just the image that the quite rich and greedy Nancy Pelosi, and Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer and Richard Comrade Blumenthal and John the Yacht Tax Dodger Kerry and the general run of leftwing Demonrat zillionaires like to push. You apparently want to live up to their fantasies of who conservatives are.
There is a you and there is an I but it is quite unlikely that you and I will EVER be a we.
Oh, and finally, in these United States of America, it is the people who will check the central government as necessary not the idiot green-eye shade and sleeve garter crowd in the bank vault on Main Street or or Wall Street for that matter.
You are a slanderous little troll who couldn’t hope to match either the accomplishments or character of BlackElk if you lived to be 1,000. I suggest you either apologize or self-zot your account, you disgraceful little man and odious establishment toady.
Posting back and forth like this becomes a process of getting to know how the conservative tapestry is woven, and I’m finding it appears to have quite a variety of shapes and pictures on it.
I will not be able to answer your posts with the detail really needed to counter your fifteen-paragraph posts, simply because I have to go to work soon, but I do still have interest in your perspective and will give you mine, although with conciseness.
You are familiar with the political scene in your locality, and I’m familiar with mine, and I can tell you it is a fact Cruz is “carpet-bombing” Dewhurst with negative and misleading ads and has more big-money interests from out of state backing him than Dewhurst.
I spend time countering the illusions of tea-party enthusiasts backing Cruz instead of a real conservative, Dewhurst, to try to prevent exactly what you complain about happened with your own Manzullo/Kinzinger situation. I get exactly nothing out of it, except the abuse from people who have their minds already made up based on their feelings about people who are successful.
I won’t spend much time on the seventeenth amendment and the deleterious effect it has had on this nation and its people, because there is plenty of conservative writing by those that opposed the amendment and made correct predictions of what would happen if it passed. Conservatives who have observed the damage that was wrought since its passage had written plenty on the subject. Progressives, such as your esteemed William Jennings Bryan, in the never-ending quest for stronger and stronger central government so they can impose their social and economic schemes on the people, were plain that was what they were after. I just find it interesting your obvious fondness for a central government strong enough to overpower the only organizations that could possibly ever check the power of the federal government, namely state governments. and you do not seem at all concerned that the the states continue to be weakened by every possible strategm devised by the progressives, yet you still think of yourself as a conservative.
I most certainly do recognize a Progressive when I see one.
Why you would think anyone thinks there is a political possibility of reversing the seventeeth amendment, I do not know. There is more of a chance of abolition of the electoral college and presidents being selected by popular vote, which if you are consistent in your thinking you must support. As your posts aptly illustrate, the historical trend in thic country is obviously away from representative government and toward mob rule.
Wish I had time to address more of the issues you raised, but I need to go now and produce some more of those evil products that people willingly purchase from me to eat and stay warm when it is too cold and cool when it is too warm.
Perhaps this work also will enable me to pay my taxes so that the government lawyers and the rest of the talking profession can live well and tell us peasants how we should live. Then, if I ever get real successsful at my business, I’ll accumulate enough money to join the GOP-e and tell the Lawyers what they can do!
I saw BlackElk pinged you all with this discussion of the controversy on who is the conservative in a certain Texas Senate race, which morphed into a discussion about the desirablity and effects of the election of Senators by popular vote instead of by the States’ elected legislatures.
Posting back and forth like this with BlackElk becomes a process of getting to know how the conservative tapestry is woven, and I’m finding it appears to have quite a variety of shapes and pictures on it.
I will not be able to answer BlackElks posts with the detail really needed to counter his fifteen-paragraph posts, simply because I have to go to work soon, but I do still have interest in his perspective and will give mine, although with conciseness. Here is all I had time to post back to BlackElk.
“You are familiar with the political scene in your locality, and I’m familiar with mine, and I can tell you it is a fact Cruz is “carpet-bombing” Dewhurst with negative and misleading ads and has more big-money interests from out of state backing him than Dewhurst.
I spend time countering the illusions of tea-party enthusiasts who are backing Cruz instead of backing a real conservative, Dewhurst, to try to prevent exactly what you complain about happened with your own Manzullo/Kinzinger situation. I get exactly nothing out of it, except the abuse from people who have their minds already made up based on their feelings about people who are successful.
I won’t spend much time on the seventeenth amendment and the deleterious effect it has had on this nation and its people, because there is plenty of conservative writing by those that opposed the amendment and made correct predictions of what would happen if it passed. Conservatives who have observed the damage that was wrought since its passage had written plenty on the subject. Progressives, such as your esteemed William Jennings Bryan, in the never-ending quest for stronger and stronger central government so they can impose their social and economic schemes on the people, were plain that was what they were after. I just find it interesting your obvious fondness for a central government strong enough to overpower the only organizations that could possibly ever check the power of the federal government, namely state governments. and you do not seem at all concerned that the the states continue to be weakened by every possible strategm devised by the progressives, yet you still think of yourself as a conservative.
I most certainly do recognize a Progressive when I see one.
Why you would think anyone thinks there is a political possibility of reversing the seventeeth amendment, I do not know. There is more of a chance of abolition of the electoral college and presidents being selected by popular vote, which if you are consistent in your thinking you must support. As your posts aptly illustrate, the historical trend in thic country is obviously away from representative government and toward mob rule.
Wish I had time to address more of the issues you raised, but I need to go now and produce some more of those evil products that people willingly purchase from me to eat and stay warm when it is too cold and cool when it is too warm.
Perhaps this work also will enable me to pay my taxes so that the government lawyers and the rest of the talking profession can live well and tell us peasants how we should live. Then, if I ever get real successsful at my business, I’ll accumulate enough money to join the GOP-e and tell the Lawyers what they can do!”
The gnat pinged his posse to badmouth you with out pinging you.
As a courtesy, here's a ping FYI
“You are familiar with the political scene in your locality, and I’m familiar with mine, and I can tell you it is a fact Cruz is “carpet-bombing” Dewhurst with negative and misleading ads and has more big-money interests from out of state backing him than Dewhurst.”
I have heard nothing but good things about Cruz..and he is endorsed by both Sarah Palin and Mark Levin.
If I were in Texas, this conservative Tea Partier would vote for him for sure.
Glad to hear you are a follower of Sarah Palin and Mark Levin. Always do what those two tell you to do.
I asked you to stop FR mailing me, so stop.
Anything you wish to say to me, do it here on the open forum.
Your immature digs and personal attacks would be better shown for all to see, as they were up thread.
You’ve posted over 20 times on this thread. While most of your responses have been defense (responding to early points and questions), what I have not seen is a positive, detailed presentation for Dewhurst.
I know that you maintain that he is a “true conservative” (which means different things to different people, even Freepers), and that he is not a lawyer, and that he is politically experienced and that he only went negative after he was attacked first.
Are there any specific actions (bill sponsorships, creative proposals, organizational feats) that make him an exceptional candidate?
This is your chance to promote Dewhurst, and pretend the other two aren’t there. What distinguishes him from the generic Republican?
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