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Fake Chinese Parts 'Found In US Planes'
Yahoo News ^ | 22nd May 2012 | Yahoo News

Posted on 05/22/2012 8:42:58 AM PDT by the scotsman

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To: tcrlaf
No US company is going to purposely use Chinese parts. The penalties and liability potential is too great.

LOL. I guess all those pallets of equipment that I scanned were figments of my imagination, then. Stuff went straight from PRC to the sandbox with a short stopover at our site to be inprocessed. We never even opened the boxes.

21 posted on 05/22/2012 9:37:00 AM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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22 posted on 05/22/2012 9:37:06 AM PDT by devolve (------ ---- ---------toss_subhumans_in_Hannibal*s_wild_boar_pit----------- ---------------------)
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To: RinaseaofDs
"Could this issue, and the F-22 killer pilot oxygen system problem be related?"

More likely a software bug. Who wrote the code? Computers change mask O2 concentrations with altitude and it doesn't sound as if that is happening as it should. Regardless, it's amazing what I find on eBay when looking for vintage electronics. The stuff just isn't stored in attics anymore. You have to get it from the Ukraine, Russia, or China.

23 posted on 05/22/2012 9:39:06 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: sam_paine

You both right, and very, very wrong.

You are correct in that there are no trojans, or secret backdoors. These are things like PROMS, transistors, capacitors, resistors and even obsolete 8 bit processors and assorted gates.

However, often these designs are very crude and poorly made copies, that can pass very basic functionality tests, but fail later on - far earlier than a ‘legitimate’ part. I’ve heard of brake pads that ‘looked’ like the real thing, but were compressed asphalt, paint and yak dung. It wasn’t until they were damp that one box of these brake pads started smelling really bad.

There are microprocessors that only have partially functional portions of the chip. Again, passing tests like continuity, gross functionality - but incapable of executing certain commands. Just enough to get past the incoming inspection screen.

It’s not unusual to buy a reel of chips, with the first 50 units being Bin fails for speed (work great on a 1 MHz tester, but fail at full operational speed), and the rest of the reel is literally “empty” packages with no die in them at all.

The threat is that when a device is “needed”, that is may fail unexpectedly - thus jeopardizing the life of the crew. This is a legitmate threat, and a serious one.


24 posted on 05/22/2012 9:39:20 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: sam_paine

So we have nothing to worry about?


25 posted on 05/22/2012 9:39:34 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: sam_paine

No automatic test can test every set of inputs on a modern microprocessor. It is very possible that a determined and patient enemy can imbed a back door or remote kill in enough systems to cripple an opponent’s ability to effectively respond to a threat.


26 posted on 05/22/2012 9:43:07 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1218 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: the scotsman

these are just the fake parts

wait until we end up in direct conflict with china and all sorts of electronic parts start ‘misbehaving’ on command


27 posted on 05/22/2012 9:43:32 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: unkus
Any time Chicom counterfiets or trojans in our defense systems are mentioned on FR there's always a group that comes out and says "nothing to see here, folks!"

They are probabaly the same people I worked for at DoD. They used to tell me the same thing.

28 posted on 05/22/2012 9:44:09 AM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: sam_paine

There ya go again Sam, making and putting reason into a purely emotional debate... damn you sam, damn you to hell..... :)


29 posted on 05/22/2012 9:44:28 AM PDT by joe fonebone (If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil.)
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To: the scotsman

“The capitalist will sell us the rope on which we will hang them” V I Lenin


30 posted on 05/22/2012 9:48:03 AM PDT by capt B
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To: jboot

You’re right.


31 posted on 05/22/2012 9:49:56 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: the scotsman

We got walkers in the wire Cap’n.


32 posted on 05/22/2012 9:51:54 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: the scotsman

I hate expansions, but the US needs to create electronic “arsenals” to make chips for US military applications.


33 posted on 05/22/2012 9:51:54 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: the scotsman
I guess they mean "Chinese fake parts".

"Fake Chinese parts" would mean that the parts were supposed to be from China but actually originated elsewhere.

34 posted on 05/22/2012 9:55:16 AM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: joe fonebone
China, the most likely military opponent of the US, is aknowingly allowing the production and export of substandard components that are ending up in US defense systems.

Setting aside all of the reasons they might see this as beneficial to their ends, a) does it really matter whether they did so intentionally? and b) is there anything wrong with being concerned about it?

35 posted on 05/22/2012 9:56:20 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: the scotsman

Breathtaking idiocracy.


36 posted on 05/22/2012 10:02:46 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: skeeter

This is tammany hall corrupt.


37 posted on 05/22/2012 10:04:31 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: the scotsman
Lest we forget:

Year of the Rat: How Bill Clinton Compromised U.S. Security for Chinese Cash


38 posted on 05/22/2012 10:16:01 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Stupidity is not a crime, so you're free to go.)
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To: Monorprise

Why would we as a nation allow this? China (officials who don’t speak freely, so therefore their speech is condoned if not called for, by the top) even now and then threatens to nuke us. We are insane. /rhetorical


39 posted on 05/22/2012 10:23:43 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: the scotsman

Our enemies have taken advantage of our greed and stupidity. We R so skrewd.


40 posted on 05/22/2012 10:24:22 AM PDT by crosshairs
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